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Posted by Fred G on Fri May 23 17:21:12 2008 LOL George Bush Neville Chamberlain 1939 appeasement blah blah blahNot everyone is happy, of course Christian Science Monitor has an interesting take, as usual NYT - Advice from White House is not always followed your pal, Fred PS Obama gets it right :D McCain needs summer school :D |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri May 23 17:26:21 2008, in response to Israel and Syria are TALKING, posted by Fred G on Fri May 23 17:21:12 2008. OH my I apologize for the wrong board. I'm still laughing though.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri May 23 17:26:47 2008, in response to Israel and Syria are TALKING, posted by Fred G on Fri May 23 17:21:12 2008. Maybe they'll finally make peace and build a rail link from Israel to Syria!There, now it's on topic. Heh. 
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Posted by mark S. Feinman on Fri May 23 17:53:49 2008, in response to Israel and Syria are TALKING, posted by Fred G on Fri May 23 17:21:12 2008. Israel wants to expands the Haifa subway but Syria has reservations about it. Hopefully the mediator will help settle this and we can see some mideast subway expansion.--Mark :) |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri May 23 18:13:30 2008, in response to Israel and Syria are TALKING, posted by Fred G on Fri May 23 17:21:12 2008. wow, news from over 6 months ago, and in the wrong forum too.What are they talking about anyway? It's the only quiet peaceful border out of all of them with zero incidents. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 23 21:19:27 2008, in response to Re: Israel and Syria are TALKING, posted by Nilet on Fri May 23 17:26:47 2008. Maybe they'll finally make peaceYou mean Israel will let them take over their country and they'll submit to being slaughtered by the Syrians? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 23 21:20:30 2008, in response to Israel and Syria are TALKING, posted by Fred G on Fri May 23 17:21:12 2008. Under pressure from the EU and UN, of course.If they end up surrendering the Golan Heights, expect more rockets from Hezbollah. But you'd like to see that, right? |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri May 23 21:27:15 2008, in response to Re: Israel and Syria are TALKING, posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 23 21:19:27 2008. Oh, nice job turning a throwaway joke into a political minirant, there, Mr. Internet R Serious Business!You'd have a hard time finding someone who could care less about the petty little disputes that countries in the Middle East have been killing each other over for decades, but if it'll poke you, I'll be happy to defend the not Israelis. You do realize that Israel is a country that was plopped there uninvited by European colonial powers, right? |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri May 23 21:32:38 2008, in response to Re: Israel and Syria are TALKING, posted by Nilet on Fri May 23 21:27:15 2008. ["You do realize that Israel is a country that was plopped there uninvited by European colonial powers, right?"]You really have no idea what you're talking about. Just like when you say that the cops robbed you. |
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Posted by monorail on Fri May 23 21:34:59 2008, in response to Re: Israel and Syria are TALKING, posted by Fred G on Fri May 23 17:26:21 2008. it's not the wrong board nor the ironing board..... |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri May 23 22:05:39 2008, in response to Re: Israel and Syria are TALKING, posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri May 23 21:32:38 2008. Naturally, you can't think of anything to dispute my points, so you merely spout a general insult that contains absolutely no information of value.Furthermore, your denial of the fact that cops are harassing railfans does little to help your credibility and does, in fact, have the opposite effect. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 23 22:19:42 2008, in response to Re: Israel and Syria are TALKING, posted by Nilet on Fri May 23 21:27:15 2008. You do realize that Israel is a country that was plopped there uninvited by European colonial powers, right?False. You've been listening to EU propaganda. Would you prefer the Ottoman Empire still be there and that the Jews have no state of their own? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 23 22:20:15 2008, in response to Re: Israel and Syria are TALKING, posted by Nilet on Fri May 23 21:27:15 2008. You'd have a hard time finding someone who could care less about the petty little disputes that countries in the Middle East have been killing each other over for decadesRight. You're just trying to get a wad of cash from the NYPD |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 23 22:20:52 2008, in response to Re: Israel and Syria are TALKING, posted by Nilet on Fri May 23 22:05:39 2008. He didn't insult you.Do you play the same games out on the street with the cops that supposedly harass you all the time? |
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Posted by Easy on Fri May 23 22:25:44 2008, in response to Re: Israel and Syria are TALKING, posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 23 22:19:42 2008. I trust EU propaganda more than I trust your propaganda. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri May 23 22:26:46 2008, in response to Re: Israel and Syria are TALKING, posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 23 22:20:52 2008. Let's see.Feed the dog... check. Feed the cats... check. Feed the troll... check. OK, I've fed all the pe(s)ts. I'm done with this thread. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri May 23 22:27:30 2008, in response to Re: Israel and Syria are TALKING, posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 23 22:20:15 2008. That's a nasty accusation. You have any proff? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 23 22:30:07 2008, in response to Re: Israel and Syria are TALKING, posted by Easy on Fri May 23 22:27:30 2008. It's all over Subchat. Any thread where he gets "harassed" by the cops is proff. He's really showing his true colors in this thread—maybe antisemitism gets him excited, I dunno. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri May 23 22:32:18 2008, in response to Re: Israel and Syria are TALKING, posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 23 22:30:07 2008. You made the accusation that he was trying to get money from the NYPD. Any proff of that? |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri May 23 22:32:30 2008, in response to Re: Israel and Syria are TALKING, posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 23 22:30:07 2008. ...maybe antisemitism gets him excited, I dunno.Damn it, I don't want to overfeed the troll. But I can't help laughing about the fact that you're accusing a Jewish guy of antisemitism. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri May 23 22:32:47 2008, in response to Re: Israel and Syria are TALKING, posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 23 22:19:42 2008. I've been to houses that look like the Ottoman Empire. Everyone has his/her feet up. Even the cat has one. :0) |
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Posted by J trainloco on Fri May 23 22:32:51 2008, in response to Re: Israel and Syria are TALKING, posted by Easy on Fri May 23 22:25:44 2008. rofl. how true. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Fri May 23 22:35:52 2008, in response to Re: Israel and Syria are TALKING, posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 23 22:19:42 2008. Would you prefer the Ottoman Empire still be there and that the Jews have no state of their own?One can only wonder why you don't feel the same way about the Natives of this country. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 23 22:41:28 2008, in response to Re: Israel and Syria are TALKING, posted by J trainloco on Fri May 23 22:35:52 2008. Why are you changing the subject? There's no parallel whatsoever, and you're being dishonest about your new subject anyhow. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 23 22:42:11 2008, in response to Re: Israel and Syria are TALKING, posted by Nilet on Fri May 23 22:32:30 2008. I can't help laughing about the fact that you're accusing a Jewish guy of antisemitismIt's no laughing matter. The letters SHJ mean nothing to you? |
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Posted by J trainloco on Fri May 23 22:53:10 2008, in response to Re: Israel and Syria are TALKING, posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 23 22:41:28 2008. Lol, wrong as usual |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri May 23 23:27:10 2008, in response to Re: Israel and Syria are TALKING, posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 23 21:20:30 2008. they do have "legitmate claims" as an illegit group after all |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 24 02:41:48 2008, in response to Re: Israel and Syria are TALKING, posted by Nilet on Fri May 23 21:27:15 2008. You do realize that Israel is a country that was plopped there uninvited by European colonial powers, right?No, he doesn't. Because that is something that only an IGNORANT FOOL "realizes." Are you an ignorant fool? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 24 02:43:08 2008, in response to Re: Israel and Syria are TALKING, posted by Nilet on Fri May 23 22:26:46 2008. Unfortunate. You will continue to enjoy your ignorance. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 24 02:44:24 2008, in response to Re: Israel and Syria are TALKING, posted by J trainloco on Fri May 23 22:35:52 2008. If the Native American diaspora wants to return to America, they can feel free. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 24 02:46:27 2008, in response to Re: Israel and Syria are TALKING, posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 23 22:42:11 2008. He's not a self-hating Jew nor an antisemite. He just knows nothing about Israel except some anti-Israeli propaganda. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat May 24 08:35:54 2008, in response to Re: Israel and Syria are TALKING, posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 23 21:20:30 2008. Israel is most likely planning an attack on Iran and is separating Syria from it. That and Syria's proximity require constant dialogue.Ironic how Bush ended up calling Israelis "appeasers" in his speech, since these talks were going on already. Since you're the second stupidest SubChatter, I figure this will go over your head, but I post it for the benefit of others. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat May 24 09:20:24 2008, in response to Re: Israel and Syria are TALKING, posted by Nilet on Fri May 23 22:05:39 2008. Actually I have history to dispute your idiotic points, not revisionist history like your Arab side. Nobody plopped Israel there, there were always Jews there just like there were always Arabs there. The Jews fought for the little piece of land and the UN (which was actually useful in those days) just fairly partitioned the land so the Jews had part and the Palestinians had part.There was never, EVER a country called Palestine. And as far as the And as far as your police confrontations are concerned, you're lucky you didn't run into me before I retired, as instead of taking your precious memory thingy I would have broke your camera into little pieces, then hauled your ass to jail for some overtime. And if you took me to CCRB you would've got summonses every day after that until I got tired of it.
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Posted by Easy on Sat May 24 09:54:16 2008, in response to Re: Israel and Syria are TALKING, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 24 02:41:48 2008. I've always heard it the same way as Nilet. What did he say that was wrong? I've looked at wikipedia and it seems to agree that Israel was created by the UN after WWII. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat May 24 10:06:16 2008, in response to Re: Israel and Syria are TALKING, posted by Fred G on Sat May 24 08:35:54 2008. LOL! |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat May 24 10:17:29 2008, in response to Re: Israel and Syria are TALKING, posted by Easy on Sat May 24 09:54:16 2008. And the Soviet Union was among the very first states to recognize Israel. |
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Posted by MJF on Sat May 24 10:36:31 2008, in response to Re: Israel and Syria are TALKING, posted by Fred G on Sat May 24 08:35:54 2008. Who is the first?As if I didn't know. ;-) |
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Posted by MJF on Sat May 24 10:38:42 2008, in response to Re: Israel and Syria are TALKING, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat May 24 09:20:24 2008. "And as far as your police confrontations are concerned, you're lucky you didn't run into me before I retired, as instead of taking your precious memory thingy I would have broke your camera into little pieces, then hauled your ass to jail for some overtime. And if you took me to CCRB you would've got summonses every day after that until I got tired of it. "And this is what gives some cops a bad reputation. Totally unnecessary. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sat May 24 11:27:45 2008, in response to Re: Israel and Syria are TALKING, posted by Fred G on Sat May 24 08:35:54 2008. Yes, Baathist Assad, with is mustard gas, chemical wmds, Korean nukes, etc etc will become friends with Israel(little satan), the US(great satan), and Iran(the leader whose appointed by god to cleanse the world) all at once. And when Israel "gives back" the golan, although Damascus is in it's bibilical borders afaik, Syria will give back it's portion of Lebanon and lay off, and then Turkey will also follow suit and give back it's porition of occupied lands. And then from that, the Syrians will give the Kurds citizenship and give them an eduction and not arrest them for speaking their own language or identitifying with themselves and other human rights.In turn they will secure the Iraqi border like the Lebanon side. You, sir, are a visionary |
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Posted by Easy on Sat May 24 11:38:13 2008, in response to Re: Israel and Syria are TALKING, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sat May 24 11:27:45 2008. lol. Whether or not they become friends is irrelevant. You really have no idea why countries have a dialog do you? |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Sat May 24 11:58:51 2008, in response to Re: Israel and Syria are TALKING, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat May 24 09:20:24 2008. And as far as your police confrontations are concerned, you're lucky you didn't run into me before I retired, as instead of taking your precious memory thingy I would have broke your camera into little pieces, then hauled your ass to jail for some overtime. And if you took me to CCRB you would've got summonses every day after that until I got tired of it.Fuck you and fuck that little prick Arthur, you ignorant coward. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sat May 24 12:35:53 2008, in response to Re: Israel and Syria are TALKING, posted by Nilet on Fri May 23 21:27:15 2008. "You do realize that Israel is a country that was plopped there uninvited by European colonial powers, right?"Like Puerto Rico, America, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Yeman, Oman, Iraq, Jordan, et al? Interesting. Does that history book go back before 1996 you're using? Unless you're talking about arbitrary borders. then I agree, Moses tomb should be in Israel proper. Along with judenrein Hebron, and the rest. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sat May 24 12:43:25 2008, in response to Re: Israel and Syria are TALKING, posted by Easy on Sat May 24 11:38:13 2008. "You really have no idea why countries have a dialog do you?"The big question is, what would you talk about, and with who(m)? You can talk to them if you feel weak and want to come down the dangerous bully neighbor while you're about to do something(like take care of a Korean weapons plant near the border). Otherwise the current state seems like a win-win. Unless it's true and Syria doesn't want to talk anymore, because they like Obama's views better and they'd rather wait a few months. That gives the purpose away imo. And Iran, o/t, has been compromised and bribed to it's limits. I'd call that a compromise. Doesn't seem to be working. I thought we have been talking to them. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat May 24 12:53:16 2008, in response to Re: Israel and Syria are TALKING, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sat May 24 12:43:25 2008. The big question is, what would you talk about, and with who(m)?You discuss the interests of the United States. You make sure there is an understanding of what those interests are. Everyone assumes that our enemies know exactly what we want from them and that's true in the big picture, but not always in the details. Plus even attempting to start a dialog makes you the good guy. Should things go downhill we'd get more support from the rest of the world because of that. If we had attempted to negotiate with Hussein we would have much more support from the rest of the world when we ultimately went to war. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sat May 24 12:56:51 2008, in response to Re: Israel and Syria are TALKING, posted by Easy on Sat May 24 09:54:16 2008. Wikipedia, which changes info for money, is under federal investigation for pedophilia.Unlike other repliers, I see you're joking with semantics, but here's two hypothetical for anyone else to correct. Jerusalem, Hebron, and Bethlehem were major cities, even under european occupation, at the time the arabian peninsula was nothing but nomads and hills. Hebron was a jewish majority city until destroyed and cleansed by TransJordanian forced in '48. fuzzy math three, find me the highways, rail lines, towns, and houses built by the 7million palestinians. Who built those nice places in gaza? Sorry, I've seen arab photoalbums of gaza, it's a very nice seaside city. The big temple mount mosque, and al aksa(a former church), was empty and crumbling until the king of Jordan(what happened to him? anyone...anyone?). I forget what happened to stones of the Church of Nea, but that reminds me....free constantonople! That's enough out of me and debunking one line talking points that don't fit. It's memorial day.  |
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Posted by Easy on Sat May 24 13:04:45 2008, in response to Re: Israel and Syria are TALKING, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sat May 24 12:56:51 2008. Wikipedia, which changes info for money, is under federal investigation for pedophilia.Link? Unlike other repliers, I see you're joking with semantics... Oh no! You're not an antisemantite are you? ;) I wasn't being overly semantic this time. I really don't know much about the formation of Israel. The middle east has never interested me and I don't have any personal interest in any of the countries, Israel included. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat May 24 13:12:09 2008, in response to Re: Israel and Syria are TALKING, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sat May 24 11:27:45 2008. Ah, I knew numero uno would step up to the plate.You don't engage in dialogue with your enemies to become friends. You talk to them to lay down the law. Israel is already a nuclear power and has the upper hand here. The goal of splitting Syria from Iran is a good one and worth pursuing. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sat May 24 13:23:28 2008, in response to Re: Israel and Syria are TALKING, posted by Easy on Sat May 24 13:04:45 2008. googling wikipedia and fbi gives randomish versionsThen you got the founder: 'Ordinary' Arabs to retake Internet: Wikipedia founder "And I think that ordinary people are far more moderate and far more ordinary than the unfortunately polarised views of extremes you see coming out," the founder of the popular user-generated encyclopedia said. Sorry bro, they like American websites, and I tried too many times, and they're not moderate and I stopped going to a lot of american sites. It's not a future hypothetical. Herald Tribune According to Citizendium, a competing online encyclopedia created by the Wikipedia co-founder, Larry Sanger, who was unhappy with the direction that project was heading, Wikipedia is "part anarchy, part mob rule. The people with the most influence in the community are the ones who have the most time on their hands - not necessarily the most knowledgeable - and who manipulate Wikipedia's eminently gameable system." My fvaorite local story The New York ex-girlfriend of Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales says that after insisting their relationship be secret he dumped her on the Web site. UK Changing entries for cash €€$$ By paying people for contributing to Wikipedia, Microsoft was monetizing previously unpaid labour. Since almost all of Wikipedia's 1,000-odd "administrators" receive no pay for their hard work other than the pleasure of power tripping - seeing nothing of the $14m of VC money Wikipedia co-founder Jimmy Wales has banked - it's a valuable economic contribution). Wow, that last site has a ongoing list of Wikistories. Amazingly easy to find these in 5 minutes. it's a fun site for verifying or finding things, but it's not near a real textbook approach or a serious source. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sat May 24 13:25:51 2008, in response to Re: Israel and Syria are TALKING, posted by Easy on Sat May 24 13:04:45 2008. "The middle east has never interested me and I don't have any personal interest in any of the countries, Israel included. "Forgot while I was foaming at the mouth over wiki. It's probably not interesting. I'm a nerd. But I like finding out there's a lot of people, and clans then the sterotyped arabs and jews. Besides, it all appears corrupt and barbaric to me anyway. Oppression, war, money, whaver. Like obama politics. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Sat May 24 13:29:53 2008, in response to Israel and Syria are TALKING, posted by Fred G on Fri May 23 17:21:12 2008. As the expression goes, Israel spent the first 40 years of its existence disproving the old stereotype that Jews are more cowardly than other people. And now it's spent the past 20 years disproving the old stereotype that Jews are genetically more intelligent than other people.My LIRR/NYCT blog |
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