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Posted by Bergit on Tue May 13 23:38:26 2008, in response to Re: Who do YOU Endorse for the Presidency?, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue May 13 23:23:12 2008. I'm supporting Hillary because of this. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed May 14 00:03:26 2008, in response to Re: Who do YOU Endorse for the Presidency?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 13 23:21:01 2008. ahh, i see, so he is a butt-head. You can't judge a politico by his webpage. Interesting thing about Clinton "making" China abide to the rules. I wonder what exactly he had to do with it though, what were his efforts? Clinton also made a promise about a clean air vehicle as well, but that didn't happen. Look at all the SUVs people are still buying. I don't get how this stuff works...the chineese see clinton leave office, so now they go back to their old ways or something of stealing patents and designs? Were they afraid of clinton? |
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Posted by monorail on Wed May 14 00:09:36 2008, in response to Who do YOU Endorse for the Presidency?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue May 13 19:02:57 2008. 'who would you like to win?'Pat Paulsen! unfortunately, he's resting in peace..... |
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Posted by monorail on Wed May 14 00:10:57 2008, in response to Who do YOU Endorse for the Presidency?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue May 13 19:02:57 2008. ' I would vote for McCain over Clinton'didn't think one could vote for something like that....... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 14 01:08:35 2008, in response to Re: Who do YOU Endorse for the Presidency?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed May 14 00:03:26 2008. They were afraid of economic actions against them, curtailing their WalMart economy. Then along came the laissez-fairies who were more interested in Saddam and the chinese knew that regulating anything in this country was religious blasphemy, so they took advantage of the situation of nobody home here. :(The "clean air vehicle" was trashed by the republican congress as one of those "kooky Al Gore" things, and since gas was cheap at the time, nobody believed that gas would ever get expensive. Whoops. :) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 14 01:13:16 2008, in response to Re: Who do YOU Endorse for the Presidency?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 14 01:08:35 2008. "Clean air vehicle"? That's California stuff. Has nothing to do with saving gas, unless it's electric. The EU sure doesn't care; they're driving SUVs out the wazoo . . . |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 14 02:00:28 2008, in response to Re: Who do YOU Endorse for the Presidency?, posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 14 01:13:16 2008. The plan was to adopt the California standard nationwide. New York pretty much did, as did other states. But nowhere did I say anything about "saving gas" nor did anyone else, and since "changing the subject" is something that gets you squirrely, what the HADES does the EU have anything to do with this? :)There's a much DEEPER conspiracy going on here, bro ... so secret that YouTube will not ALLOW it to be embedded! This'll give you something to seriously worry about and forget all about the EU! http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1247371360790602168&hl=en |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 14 02:13:12 2008, in response to Re: Who do YOU Endorse for the Presidency?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 14 02:00:28 2008. There is no "forget(ting) all about the EU", because the EU is the cause of a lot of pseudo-environmental hype.As for the subject of that link, we have our best fauna on the job.  |
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Posted by South Ferry on Wed May 14 02:30:14 2008, in response to Re: Who do YOU Endorse for the Presidency?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 13 23:13:10 2008. They're already in office. Change is teh n33d3d. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 14 02:42:00 2008, in response to Re: Who do YOU Endorse for the Presidency?, posted by South Ferry on Wed May 14 02:30:14 2008. I dunno. Somehow I suspect that the screwloose party ain't quite as bad as the screwYOU party which is the one in power now. They won't even give you change.
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 14 02:43:00 2008, in response to Re: Who do YOU Endorse for the Presidency?, posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 14 02:13:12 2008. Now you're catching on ... it's them no-goodniks in Pottsylvania that are causing all the trouble. :) |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Wed May 14 04:00:23 2008, in response to Who do YOU Endorse for the Presidency?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue May 13 19:02:57 2008. My first choice would be Hillary.If its going to be a choice of either McCain or Obama, I will probably remain undecided until its time to pull the lever. |
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Posted by JBar387 on Wed May 14 04:45:53 2008, in response to Re: Who do YOU Endorse for the Presidency?, posted by LuchAAA on Tue May 13 19:41:08 2008. But they were not, And the canidates agreed on the DNC rules. Why change them now. Oh I forgot, Clinton is not winning! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed May 14 07:07:15 2008, in response to Re: Who do YOU Endorse for the Presidency?, posted by Easy on Tue May 13 21:41:23 2008. That's why Obama has done so well. He was soaring before the Rev. Wright thing.And who the heck still uses "negro" as a word? What is this, the 60's? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed May 14 07:12:18 2008, in response to Re: Who do YOU Endorse for the Presidency?, posted by Easy on Tue May 13 21:32:25 2008. A "Bush 3rd Term" is Democratic spin language. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed May 14 07:13:00 2008, in response to Re: Who do YOU Endorse for the Presidency?, posted by Fred G on Tue May 13 21:30:53 2008. Well Billary held the White House for 8 years already..... :) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed May 14 07:13:58 2008, in response to Re: Who do YOU Endorse for the Presidency?, posted by Fred G on Tue May 13 21:43:06 2008. You mean like NY governor. They seem to have plenty of time to spend $5000 a pop on hookers, and visit the Day's Inn in Manhattan.... |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Wed May 14 07:17:03 2008, in response to Who do YOU Endorse for the Presidency?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue May 13 19:02:57 2008. My vote's for Uncle Fester !! Bill "Newkirk" |
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Posted by caseyjim on Wed May 14 08:06:15 2008, in response to Re: Who do YOU Endorse for the Presidency?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed May 14 07:12:18 2008. I would endorse anyone who would put George W. Hitler (Bush) on trial for the numerous crimes that he,Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld have committed since taking office. That someone would also force the oil companies to end the price gouging they are now engaging in thus damaging the economy as a whole and threatened to put the entire transportation industry into bankruptcy. If George W. Bush tried this crap in such other countries as Romania, or even Italy during WWII as Mussolini did and Causcesco did in Romania, he and his bunch would have been strung up in a New York minute. The same goes for the OIl Company CEO's. Whoever keeps John McCain out of the White House is who I would be inclined to endorse. Eight years of Bush's Hitlerian regime is more than enough. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed May 14 09:52:04 2008, in response to Who do YOU Endorse for the Presidency?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue May 13 19:02:57 2008. Mark Warner. All the actual candidates are awful. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed May 14 10:26:28 2008, in response to Re: Who do YOU Endorse for the Presidency?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue May 13 21:00:17 2008. I never heard that. I think perhaps he could be "indifferent" to it, which is not the same as "hating" it. I don't know where that came from, I have read nothing on his view of it either way.It's been known for years that McCain wants Amtrak to either be entirely self-sufficient or go out of business. Some reading material |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed May 14 11:13:14 2008, in response to Re: Who do YOU Endorse for the Presidency?, posted by JBar387 on Wed May 14 04:45:53 2008. Obama forfeited when he broke FL rules.Do whatever you want with michigan, she got Florida. Besides, Florida is one of those "open sore" states to use a term from Obamas mouth when he talks about a certain ethnic group. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed May 14 11:22:24 2008, in response to Re: Who do YOU Endorse for the Presidency?, posted by JBar387 on Wed May 14 04:45:53 2008. Understood. My point is simply that it has to be in the back of the Dems minds that Obama didn't even win his party's primaries by counting the votes of all 57, I mean 50 states. That's not a strong candidate. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed May 14 11:23:46 2008, in response to Re: Who do YOU Endorse for the Presidency?, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed May 14 11:13:14 2008. He didn't break any Florida rules. I think that you mean that he broke DNC rules which is also incorrect. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed May 14 11:26:27 2008, in response to Re: Who do YOU Endorse for the Presidency?, posted by LuchAAA on Wed May 14 11:22:24 2008. Wouldn't he still have the most delegates even if those two states were counted? I don't see how Michigan could count though since his name wasn't even on the ballot. It goes without saying that candidates whosename doesn't appear on the ballot aren't going to do well. How many of the candidates besides Clinton left their name on Michigans ballot? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed May 14 11:27:34 2008, in response to Re: Who do YOU Endorse for the Presidency?, posted by Easy on Wed May 14 11:23:46 2008. Either way, Obama and the Dems have to remind themselves they're sending someone to run against McCain who didn't win every state. So he's not as strong as the media makes him out to be. It's about strategy, not whether or not this was fair or not. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed May 14 11:32:31 2008, in response to Re: Who do YOU Endorse for the Presidency?, posted by Easy on Wed May 14 11:26:27 2008. If Florida and Michigan were contested fairly, she'd have more popular votes and more delegates. Again, I'm talking IF, so we don't know for sure. Just something for the dems to think about when calculating their chances in November. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 14 12:36:56 2008, in response to Re: Who do YOU Endorse for the Presidency?, posted by LuchAAA on Tue May 13 19:48:17 2008. A superdelegate isn't "racked up" until he/she casts their votes at the convention in July. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 14 12:38:45 2008, in response to Re: Who do YOU Endorse for the Presidency?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue May 13 20:53:11 2008. Don't forget, the present animosity for the current president is also a product of the media (and his complete inability to fight back against it). |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 14 12:43:13 2008, in response to Re: Who do YOU Endorse for the Presidency?, posted by Easy on Tue May 13 21:06:00 2008. The media coverage of Obama's pastor has been unprecedented. Apparently this is your first presidential candidate scandal. Ask Bill Clinton, RE: Gennifer Flowers. The only thing unprecedented about the coverage is how the media has actively sought to spin the scandal for Obama wherever possible. I can't tell you how many times the scandal was declared as "over" by CNN. I can't recall a major media outlet EVER declaring a scandal "over". Or how many times MSNBC labelled Obama's divisive speech on race in Philly as "well-received" or "effective". |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 14 12:44:54 2008, in response to Re: Who do YOU Endorse for the Presidency?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue May 13 21:09:33 2008. That's because racism amongst African Americans has been tolerated for decades. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 14 12:47:11 2008, in response to Re: Who do YOU Endorse for the Presidency?, posted by Fred G on Tue May 13 21:37:42 2008. Don't blame the GOP. Tent flap is open, but they can't make people come in. And it's considerably less white than it was 30 years ago. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 14 12:50:48 2008, in response to Re: Who do YOU Endorse for the Presidency?, posted by LuchAAA on Tue May 13 20:56:52 2008. And there lies the problem. Blue collar whites won't vote for Obama, the MSM will wonder what's wrong with THEM, instead of wondering what's wrong with Obama. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed May 14 12:50:55 2008, in response to Re: Who do YOU Endorse for the Presidency?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 14 12:43:13 2008. I hate MSNBC. I've never seen such a collection of assholes as I saw on "After Hours" last night. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 14 12:52:24 2008, in response to Re: Who do YOU Endorse for the Presidency?, posted by LuchAAA on Tue May 13 20:59:19 2008. He'll try to move to the middle if/when he finally gets the nomination. It'll be hard, since he's a documented lefty. Like I said months ago, the GOP attack ads on Obama practically write themselves. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed May 14 12:52:53 2008, in response to Re: Who do YOU Endorse for the Presidency?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 14 12:43:13 2008. Obama and Wright shouldn't even be a scandal and it is definitely being covered more than Flowers was.Wrights speech was well recieved. And it was effective. The fact that Soledad O'Brien made those comments was very surprising. I was glad to hear her say that. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 14 12:55:26 2008, in response to Re: Who do YOU Endorse for the Presidency?, posted by AlM on Tue May 13 20:31:12 2008. The air pollution from coal already kills more people (asthma, etc.) than radical Islamists ever will. Forget global warrming - coal is inhuman for that reason alone. Problem here is that you're under the impression that burning coal is the only way to exploit it's energy potential. And if burning coal is worse than Islamism, why isn't burning oil? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 14 12:56:30 2008, in response to Re: Who do YOU Endorse for the Presidency?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue May 13 20:35:36 2008. Old coal plants do. Problem is that most of the older ones are exempt from modern emmissions laws. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 14 12:58:37 2008, in response to Re: Who do YOU Endorse for the Presidency?, posted by LuchAAA on Wed May 14 12:50:55 2008. It's the openly-liberal mirror to FOX News, just with far fewer viewers. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed May 14 13:01:56 2008, in response to Re: Who do YOU Endorse for the Presidency?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 14 12:58:37 2008. Only difference is that they don't welcome opposing views on MSNBC. FOX is more than happy to give the entire story. This has been demonstrated almost nightly for years. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 14 13:02:01 2008, in response to Re: Who do YOU Endorse for the Presidency?, posted by Easy on Wed May 14 12:52:53 2008. Wow, you've managed to pack a post with statements which are entirely and absolutley factually false. How old were you in 1991? How do you label a speech on race in which nearly 50% of white people disagreed with as "well-received and effective"? And how can you show surprise that a major CNN anchor would spin FOR Obama when that's all they ever do? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed May 14 13:02:55 2008, in response to Re: Who do YOU Endorse for the Presidency?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 14 12:50:48 2008. Exactly. "You're a racist if you don't vote for Obama". |
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Posted by AlM on Wed May 14 13:06:54 2008, in response to Re: Who do YOU Endorse for the Presidency?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 14 12:55:26 2008. And if burning coal is worse than Islamism, why isn't burning oil?Didn't say that. We were discussing coal. Burning oil also kills more people through its health effects than Islamists do. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed May 14 13:11:43 2008, in response to Re: Who do YOU Endorse for the Presidency?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 14 12:55:26 2008. Problem here is that you're under the impression that burning coal is the only way to exploit it's energy potential.What's the other way??? |
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Posted by Easy on Wed May 14 13:15:09 2008, in response to Re: Who do YOU Endorse for the Presidency?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 14 12:56:30 2008. The Clean Air Act requires that grandfathered facilities that make any significant modification fall under the new standards. This is opposed by Bush and most Republicans. Bush put pressure on the EPA to not fully enforce this law and that was one of the main drivers for Christine Whitman's resignation as head of the EPA. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Wed May 14 13:17:42 2008, in response to Re: Who do YOU Endorse for the Presidency?, posted by AlM on Wed May 14 13:06:54 2008. Unless 200 were killed yesterday, in a polluted country, but not by pollution. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Wed May 14 13:18:05 2008, in response to Re: Who do YOU Endorse for the Presidency?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 14 12:55:26 2008. I think the nazi's used oil shale. Which is like milking rocks and stones. We have that here. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed May 14 15:07:12 2008, in response to Re: Who do YOU Endorse for the Presidency?, posted by LuchAAA on Wed May 14 13:02:55 2008. Who said that or even implied it? |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed May 14 17:01:28 2008, in response to Re: Who do YOU Endorse for the Presidency?, posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue May 13 19:05:15 2008. Stop living in the 50's, Sgt Jeffie. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed May 14 17:06:26 2008, in response to Who do YOU Endorse for the Presidency?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue May 13 19:02:57 2008. NO ONE. They're ALL dickheads. |
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