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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 17 21:12:38 2008 edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Why, indeed? Inquiring minds wanna know. New York Sun 'Realism' in Syria New York Sun Editorial February 15, 2008 What in the world are advisers to both Senators Obama and Clinton doing in Syria in the middle of a presidential campaign — and why are the two campaigns so unforthcoming about the details of the visits? The same week that a terrorist mastermind harbored by the Baathist regime in Damascus was assassinated by a car bomb, both one of Mr. Obama's foreign policy counselors, Zbigniew Brzezinski, a long-time critic of Israel, and one of Mrs. Clinton's national finance chairs, Hassan Nemazee, were meeting with President Assad. Mr. Brzezinski himself issued a statement to the Baathist controlled press in Damascus, where he was quoted by the official Sana News Agency as saying that the "talks dealt with recent regional developments, affirming that both sides have a common desire to achieve stability in the region, which would benefit both its people and the United States." There was no indication in respect of whether Mr. Brzezinski queried the Syrian regime, officially listed by our own State Department as a terrorist-sponsoring state, about the assassination of Hezbollah's Imadh Mugniyah, who was slain by a car-bomb as, according to the Lebanese Broadcasting Channel, he was leaving a ceremony at an Iranian school in Damascus. When our Eli Lake, telephoned the Obama campaign to see what it had to say about its adviser's doings in Syria, a spokesman said it was the first they had heard about it. Mr. Nemazee's office would not say anything about the trip, nor would Mrs. Clinton's campaign. When Mr. Lake rang the Four Seasons Hotel in Damascus, he was informed that Mr. Nemazee had left with the delegation yesterday. Where is the sense of reality about who President Assad is and what his regime is all about? To suggest, as the Syrians report Mr. Brzezinski said, that they share some kind of common interest in respect of "stability" is disingenuous. Mugniyah, whom the Syrians had been harboring, has been among the FBI's most-wanted terrorists since 1983, when he authorized the attack on the American Marine barracks in Beirut. Mr. Assad runs a police state. Dictatorships can only thrive if the population is in constant terror and convinced the state itself is all knowing. This has led some to speculate that the Syrian regime itself might have been complicit in the killing of Mugniyah. We wouldn't gainsay the possibility entirely. Terrorists, like drug dealers and mafiosos, fight over turf all the time. What we would gainsay is that a benign construction could be put onto the role of the Assad family's Baathist regime in Syria. If the assassination of Mugniyah is a sign of anything, it is most likely that the Baathist regime is itself losing its grip on power. After all, Mugniyah was a valuable asset for Mr. Assad, who relied on his capabilities to continue to threaten the prospect of a stable Lebanon. * * * So where's the "realism" on the part of Mr. Brzezinski and other so-called foreign policy "realists," who have accused President Bush of foreign policy malpractice for downgrading relations with Syria after the Syrians threw in with the Iranians to sabotage Iraq? Why are advisers to Senators Clinton and Obama in the Syrian capital at a time like this? Are they pressing for a separate peace with the regime? It is something on which Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton will be challenged in the coming campaign, we have little doubt. Where do they stand in respect of Syria — and why can't they bring themselves to explain what their advisers are doing in the capital of one of the countries most hostile to America and Israel?
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Re: Advisors to Hillary and Obama Visiting Syria (why?)
Posted by RonInBayside* on Sun Feb 17 21:26:45 2008, in response to Advisors to Hillary and Obama Visiting Syria (why?), posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 17 21:12:38 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Syria is not necessarily hostile to the US. Syrian security agents cooperated with the CIA in detaining suspects that started out in Afghanistan and paased through Gitmo. Syria is politically hostile to Israel, but has taken no steps militarily to cause any trouble. Obam and Clinton are running for election here, not in Israel. If I wanted to use Israel as a strict litmus test, I'd be voting in Tel Aviv, not here.
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Re: Advisors to Hillary and Obama Visiting Syria (why?)
Posted by Olog-hai* on Sun Feb 17 21:28:17 2008, in response to Re: Advisors to Hillary and Obama Visiting Syria (why?), posted by RonInBayside on Sun Feb 17 21:26:45 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Syria is not necessarily hostile to the US Just like Iran isn't, right? Obam(a) and Clinton are running for election here, not in Israel Nor are they running for election in Syria.
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Re: Advisors to Hillary and Obama Visiting Syria (why?)
Posted by orange blossom special* on Sun Feb 17 22:38:10 2008, in response to Advisors to Hillary and Obama Visiting Syria (why?), posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 17 21:12:38 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Awww, Obama's foreign advisor is making the news? Been following him, with the rest of the dirt. Mr. Brzezinski, who allowed the Ayatollah to come to power, is beyond Pissed off that the NYTimes printed a story about what really happened at Jenin and not the pallywood production. I thought he stood for change, not reverting to 30 years ago. As for Hillary, she has an even more questionable higher up assistant, Hassan, but I haven't a clue why their there too. I definately see AIPAC behind all these coincidences. Brzezinski and Nemazee. Are they serious?
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Re: Advisors to Hillary and Obama Visiting Syria (why?)
Posted by orange blossom special* on Sun Feb 17 22:39:44 2008, in response to Re: Advisors to Hillary and Obama Visiting Syria (why?), posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 17 21:28:17 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d busted
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Re: Advisors to Hillary and Obama Visiting Syria (why?)
Posted by orange blossom special on Sun Feb 17 23:01:56 2008, in response to Re: Advisors to Hillary and Obama Visiting Syria (why?), posted by orange blossom special on Sun Feb 17 22:39:44 2008. edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d It is interesting that while the subject was completely about an American election, and wondering why they're visiting heads of a not-so-friendly state days after one of the most wanted men on the FBI list was killed....that this would cause someone to go on an unrelated anti-Israel tirade. This is an example of a very serious, and real psychosis which psychologists study and write papers on. Mugniyah has suffered a very serious form of this disease himself. I think we may have just caught a peak of Ron exhibiting symptoms.
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Re: Advisors to Hillary and Obama Visiting Syria (why?)
Posted by Fred G* on Mon Feb 18 04:00:24 2008, in response to Advisors to Hillary and Obama Visiting Syria (why?), posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 17 21:12:38 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d When you're running for the job of U.S. President, you probably want to do your homework about a region that's a hot debate come election time. McCain will probably benefit from some coaching from President Bush. The other candidates won't have the same opportunity so they have to research their own info. AFAIK it's not illegal to travel to Syria nor is it to meet with Syrian officials (your incorrect understanding of the Logan Act noted). It tugs at AIPAC heartstrings, however, so it's big news. You're also quoting an editorial piece. It's not the last word on this. your pal, Fred
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Re: Advisors to Hillary and Obama Visiting Syria (why?)
Posted by Olog-hai* on Mon Feb 18 04:17:16 2008, in response to Re: Advisors to Hillary and Obama Visiting Syria (why?), posted by Fred G on Mon Feb 18 04:00:24 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d your incorrect understanding of the Logan Act I do not have that. It tugs at AIPAC heartstrings Your antisemitism is noted.
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Re: Advisors to Hillary and Obama Visiting Syria (why?)
Posted by Fred G* on Mon Feb 18 04:20:53 2008, in response to Re: Advisors to Hillary and Obama Visiting Syria (why?), posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 18 04:17:16 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Despite your emotional argument style, it's not antisemitic to oppose Israeli influence in a U.S. election. It's also not racist to oppose Chinese influence. Get a grip. your pal, Fred
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Re: Advisors to Hillary and Obama Visiting Syria (why?)
Posted by Olog-hai* on Mon Feb 18 04:27:48 2008, in response to Re: Advisors to Hillary and Obama Visiting Syria (why?), posted by orange blossom special on Sun Feb 17 22:38:10 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Brzezinski and Nemazee. Are they serious? Seriously gone in the head, at least. Brzezinski ought to be in federal prison.
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Re: Advisors to Hillary and Obama Visiting Syria (why?)
Posted by SelkirkTMO* on Mon Feb 18 04:29:24 2008, in response to Re: Advisors to Hillary and Obama Visiting Syria (why?), posted by Fred G on Mon Feb 18 04:20:53 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d One of the reasons why you won't see me even bothering with any of these mideast threads anymore is that if you even DARE to offer any opinion, you're antisemitic ... it's the GOLD "race card." No need for discussion anymore. :(
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Re: Advisors to Hillary and Obama Visiting Syria (why?)
Posted by Olog-hai* on Mon Feb 18 04:35:12 2008, in response to Re: Advisors to Hillary and Obama Visiting Syria (why?), posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Feb 18 04:29:24 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d What opinion? Going after AIPAC for no reason expresses more than opinion. The context is like Palestinian propaganda, trying to make AIPAC out to be worse than Hamas, Hezbollah, al-Qa'eda, the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, and the rest of them. And if this style comes back in vogue, all bets are off.
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Re: Advisors to Hillary and Obama Visiting Syria (why?)
Posted by Fred G* on Mon Feb 18 04:35:52 2008, in response to Re: Advisors to Hillary and Obama Visiting Syria (why?), posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Feb 18 04:29:24 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d I know that; free thought has been suppressed here. The dog has fleas. When you're buying a dog and ask about fleas and the seller loses his temper and calls you names, it means the dog has fleas. When you're buying a used car and ask about oil consumption and the seller calls you names, it means the car burns oil. When you talk about politics in the Mideast and the other guy loses his temper and calls you names, it means he doesn't have an answer and he's probably wrong. The dog has fleas. your pal, Fred
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Re: Advisors to Hillary and Obama Visiting Syria (why?)
Posted by Fred G* on Mon Feb 18 04:40:43 2008, in response to Re: Advisors to Hillary and Obama Visiting Syria (why?), posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 18 04:35:12 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d ::yawn:: See how you are? Fanatic in all ways. You must hate trains. your pal, Fred
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Re: Advisors to Hillary and Obama Visiting Syria (why?)
Posted by SelkirkTMO* on Mon Feb 18 04:42:50 2008, in response to Re: Advisors to Hillary and Obama Visiting Syria (why?), posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 18 04:35:12 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Heh. OK ... then go ahead and type out my PROPER opinion, and I'll sign it. :) Nope ... came back here last night to provide cookies in response to a number of things posted while I slept, everything I wanted to play with got reefed. Instead, all there is is Iran this, Iraq this, Syria that and my own little posting of a curious little video that involved mullahs that would have lead to even more humorous statings by Iranians were replaced with more of the usual nonsense ... it's TIRED ... it's counterproductive to "the cause" ... there's something known as "overkill" or what I prefer to call "get the septic pump truck, brown alert!" Too much sugar gives one a bellyache. Eventually. It's not that I don't CARE, I've just eaten too much of this group of topics ... and truth be told, when somethign SERIOUS comes down for real, nobody's gonna wanna HEAR it anymore. Is THIS what "we" want? :(
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Re: Advisors to Hillary and Obama Visiting Syria (why?)
Posted by Olog-hai* on Mon Feb 18 04:46:30 2008, in response to Re: Advisors to Hillary and Obama Visiting Syria (why?), posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Feb 18 04:42:50 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d it's TIRED No; it's news. And it's going to become only more prominent over the months and years, not less. truth be told, when somethign SERIOUS comes down for real, nobody's gonna wanna HEAR it anymore Or they'll wish they were listening.
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Re: Advisors to Hillary and Obama Visiting Syria (why?)
Posted by SelkirkTMO* on Mon Feb 18 04:55:48 2008, in response to Re: Advisors to Hillary and Obama Visiting Syria (why?), posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 18 04:46:30 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d No, it's TIRED ... and the more shoved in everybody's faces, the LESS they'll listen when something is actually UP. No offense ... I'm still on "your side" but all of this cluttering things up with no (comic) relief in sight merely makes me ignore these threads entirely. And if something SERIOUS is afoot, given all this, I won't even read it. The economy is in the toilet. People are losing their jobs. People are losing their houses. REAL AMERICAN problems ... not important? :(
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Re: Advisors to Hillary and Obama Visiting Syria (why?)
Posted by Orange Blossom Special* on Mon Feb 18 10:43:51 2008, in response to Re: Advisors to Hillary and Obama Visiting Syria (why?), posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Feb 18 04:42:50 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d I like the proactive approach personally. If I'm doing something, I like it to be right so I don't have to go back and see something broken or a mistake. These clowns visiting Syria/Iran/Gaza during their presidential campaign seems serious and pointless enough. Most likely a bad harbinger to come. Like I said, check out their advisors: Brzezinski and Nemazee. That's serious enough that you ain't gonna eat and have jobs, unless Assad has got something for you.
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Re: Advisors to Hillary and Obama Visiting Syria (why?)
Posted by Orange Blossom Special* on Mon Feb 18 10:48:32 2008, in response to Re: Advisors to Hillary and Obama Visiting Syria (why?), posted by Fred G on Mon Feb 18 04:00:24 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Turning Syria(a terrorist state and cause of over a thousand US troop deaths) into some AIPEC thing is definite signs of anti-semiticness. See my earlier postings in this thread and the "why do people hate jews" thread especially as your logic was demonstrated before you even made that post. The "gold card" of claiming that one is not anti-semitic because it's free speech to blame every unrelated thing to AIPEC(but not the AARP or Oil lobby) doesn't fly, because by definition that is being one. 100% and completely.
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Re: Advisors to Hillary and Obama Visiting Syria (why?)
Posted by Orange Blossom Special* on Mon Feb 18 10:52:23 2008, in response to Re: Advisors to Hillary and Obama Visiting Syria (why?), posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 18 04:27:48 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d I've heard only once that Nemazee has a radical Wahabi Saudi Cleric for a father. I forgot where he immigrated fromto get there. At least Bush gave the appearence of balance. Selkirk and Fred G is going to be in for a surprise when they get something 10x worse than Dubya/Condi in office. Depending on how much she thinks she should be oppressed in a Saudi Style. I guess we don't fully know. The other one the Carter one otoh, do we really need to pave the road for a future Iran-contra scandal president to clean up his mess? How the heck did we come to these choices? There were so many in the primaries that I liked at least a little bit.
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Re: Advisors to Hillary and Obama Visiting Syria (why?)
Posted by Fred G* on Mon Feb 18 11:46:30 2008, in response to Re: Advisors to Hillary and Obama Visiting Syria (why?), posted by Orange Blossom Special on Mon Feb 18 10:48:32 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d ::yawn:: Show me where I "blamed" AIPAC. I only referred to them in passing. your pal, Fred
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Re: Advisors to Hillary and Obama Visiting Syria (why?)
Posted by Orange Blossom Special* on Mon Feb 18 11:53:01 2008, in response to Re: Advisors to Hillary and Obama Visiting Syria (why?), posted by Fred G on Mon Feb 18 11:46:30 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d How do they relate. I don't think it's getting big newsplay either. Olag had to post from the Sun, and I didn't even see my version from the MSM.
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Re: Advisors to Hillary and Obama Visiting Syria (why?)
Posted by Train Dude* on Mon Feb 18 11:55:30 2008, in response to Re: Advisors to Hillary and Obama Visiting Syria (why?), posted by Orange Blossom Special on Mon Feb 18 10:48:32 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Not fred!!!!!
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Re: Advisors to Hillary and Obama Visiting Syria (why?)
Posted by Fred G* on Mon Feb 18 11:56:54 2008, in response to Re: Advisors to Hillary and Obama Visiting Syria (why?), posted by Orange Blossom Special on Mon Feb 18 11:53:01 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d I couldn't find anything either. It's going to be "click on google and see our own posts" again. your pal, Fred
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Re: Advisors to Hillary and Obama Visiting Syria (why?)
Posted by Orange Blossom Special* on Mon Feb 18 12:17:52 2008, in response to Advisors to Hillary and Obama Visiting Syria (why?), posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 17 21:12:38 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d A little unrelated and related(as thess are the guys that Obama wants to talk to before anyone else in office). BBC Today. Iran's Revolutionary Guards leader has predicted the imminent destruction of Israel by fighters from the Lebanese movement Hezbollah. "We will soon witness the destruction of the cancerous scum of Israel at the strong, capable hands of Hezbollah," Maj-Gen Mohammad Jafari wrote. He was writing to the group's leader Hassan Nasrallah following the killing of senior commander Imad Mughniyeh. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7250894.stm
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MISTRANSLATION ALERT!!! Re: Advisors to Hillary and Obama Visiting Syria (why?)
Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Mon Feb 18 12:22:37 2008, in response to Re: Advisors to Hillary and Obama Visiting Syria (why?), posted by Orange Blossom Special on Mon Feb 18 12:17:52 2008. edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d The second I posted that I checked one more site and found something. According to Jaafari, “I am convinced that with every day that passes Hizbullah’s power increases, and in the near future we will bear witness to the disappearance of this cancerous bacterium, Israel, by the radiation of Hizbullah’s fighters.” ---- “I am convinced that with every passing day Hizbullah’s might is increasing and in the near future, we will witness the disappearance of this cancerous growth Israel by means of the Hizbullah fighters’ radiation [therapy].” Every source has a different translation, funny that one adds in "therapy"(an Israeli source I think) I don't know why there would be so many translations of one sentence. There couldn't be that much slang could there??
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Re: Advisors to Hillary and Obama Visiting Syria (why?)
Posted by Fred G* on Mon Feb 18 17:15:05 2008, in response to Re: Advisors to Hillary and Obama Visiting Syria (why?), posted by Orange Blossom Special on Mon Feb 18 11:53:01 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d You didn't show me where I blamed AIPAC. your pal, Fred
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