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Chávez likely to succeed in eliminating term limits

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Sep 11 00:58:22 2007

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Reuters

Chávez likely to win end to term limits: pollsters

Mon Sep 10, 2007 6:37PM EDT

By Enrique Andres Pretel

CARACAS (Reuters) — Venezuela's leftist President Hugo Chavez is likely to win a referendum this year on scrapping term limits that would help clear a path for him to rule for decades, pollsters say.

The anti-U.S. leader included an end to term limits in a constitutional reform proposal that Venezuelans will vote on in December, sweetening what for many is a bitter pill with some populist measures, such as reducing the work day, they say.

Pollsters say the referendum will pass because it will be a straight "yes" or "no" on the overall package and will reflect majority support for a president who has used Venezuela's oil wealth to finance programs for the poor.

Thirty-one percent of voters plan to approve the referendum, while 27 percent would reject it, Hinterlaces, a local company often associated with the opposition, said on Monday in publishing a poll of 900 people on the referendum.

Many voters are undecided or plan to abstain, it said.

Chávez's reforms proposal also eliminates central bank autonomy, strengthens state expropriation powers and contains language that could curb the authority of elected regional officials.

With Latin Americans generally skeptical about presidents who want to change laws to extend their rule, Chávez's apparent moves to consolidate power have even drawn criticism from the second largest party supporting him.

But populist measures, including extending social security benefits, will likely win out, said Luis Vicente Leon of polling firm Datanalisis.

"In the over-arching proposal of the work day versus indefinite re-election, the positive response to the populist measures far outweighs any negative associated with more controversial aspects of the reform," he said.

CHÁVEZ RULES

U.S. officials and opposition leaders fear Chávez will use the power he has amassed in Congress, the military, judiciary and state oil company to cling to office even if his popularity falls.

Chávez has repeatedly vowed he will govern until 2021 if he continues to win elections, and has sometimes said he could stay in power well beyond that.

When he took office in 1999, he was due to leave only five years later but he pushed a constitutional change that has helped keep him in charge. Without another reform, he would have to leave in 2013.

Chávez led a failed coup in 1992 but is a proven winner at the ballot box, winning 11 times in elections or referendums.

Pollsters doubt many voters will make a detailed analysis of the changes in 33 articles of the constitution.

"Chávez will try to pin the reform on his popularity … so that any constitutional debate is relegated to an after thought," said Oscar Schemel of Hinterlaces.

Pollsters generally believe Chávez is popular with a solid majority of Venezuelans, who back his spending on subsidized food, schools and clinics.

Chávez will face the referendum vote a year after winning a landslide re-election. He is one of Latin America's most popular leaders despite a year of difficulties, including protests at his refusal to renew an opposition TV station's license.

Santiago Castillo, a boatman in the village of Choroni, said he supports Chávez because fishermen can now obtain spare parts more easily.

"If Chávez says it's good … he knows, he sticks up for the poor," he said of the reform proposal. "I'll vote for whatever Chávez says. Long live Chávez."

© Reuters 2007. All rights reserved.


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Re: Chávez likely to succeed in eliminating term limits

Posted by Easy on Tue Sep 11 01:21:48 2007, in response to Chávez likely to succeed in eliminating term limits, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Sep 11 00:58:22 2007.

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congrats

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Re: Ch?vez likely to succeed in eliminating term limits

Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Sep 11 05:09:48 2007, in response to Chávez likely to succeed in eliminating term limits, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Sep 11 00:58:22 2007.

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Silly. Even if he loses in the referendum, does anyone think he'll just step down?

He's just another tin-pot loudmouth dictator with an axe to grind. The US could squash him like a bug and he knows it. He's just trying to clothe his dictatorial bent in democracy.

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Re: Ch?vez likely to succeed in eliminating term limits

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Sep 11 13:02:55 2007, in response to Re: Ch?vez likely to succeed in eliminating term limits, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Sep 11 05:09:48 2007.

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Actually, we already did ... there was a coup back in April of 2002 which we instigated. He overcame it and has been pissed off at Bush ever since. Kinda sad that we can't even depose a tin-pot dictator. Wonder if we're even up to doing Grenada again. :(

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Re: Ch?vez likely to succeed in eliminating term limits

Posted by Scrabbleship on Tue Sep 11 13:10:32 2007, in response to Re: Ch?vez likely to succeed in eliminating term limits, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Sep 11 13:02:55 2007.

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If we left Iraq, we could get Chavez out just like that.

America needs a short-term Chavez to fix its problems...

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Re: Chávez likely to succeed in eliminating term limits

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Sep 11 13:10:54 2007, in response to Re: Ch?vez likely to succeed in eliminating term limits, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Sep 11 05:09:48 2007.

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The US could squash him like a bug and he knows it

The US could squash lots of nations like bugs. But with China on Venezuela's side, do you think they'd ever act on it?

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Re: Chávez likely to succeed in eliminating term limits

Posted by orange blossom special on Tue Sep 11 13:21:00 2007, in response to Re: Chávez likely to succeed in eliminating term limits, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Sep 11 13:10:54 2007.

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China's on everyone side. China's all about oil.
America is all about oil.

China good, America bad.

Anyway, I don't want to see this guy for decades. ugh

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Re: Chávez likely to succeed in eliminating term limits

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Sep 11 20:58:37 2007, in response to Re: Ch?vez likely to succeed in eliminating term limits, posted by Scrabbleship on Tue Sep 11 13:10:32 2007.

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Wrong again.

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Re: Chávez likely to succeed in eliminating term limits

Posted by BIE on Tue Sep 11 21:01:21 2007, in response to Re: Chávez likely to succeed in eliminating term limits, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Sep 11 20:58:37 2007.

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scrambleshit's skull is a great big pustule.

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Re: Chávez likely to succeed in eliminating term limits

Posted by Scrabbleship on Tue Sep 11 21:01:23 2007, in response to Re: Chávez likely to succeed in eliminating term limits, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Sep 11 20:58:37 2007.

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I think that if the right person was put in such a spot, America could improve. I know I would.

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Re: Chávez likely to succeed in eliminating term limits

Posted by BIE on Tue Sep 11 21:02:33 2007, in response to Re: Chávez likely to succeed in eliminating term limits, posted by Scrabbleship on Tue Sep 11 21:01:23 2007.

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But chavez isn't it.

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Re: Chávez likely to succeed in eliminating term limits

Posted by Scrabbleship on Tue Sep 11 21:52:03 2007, in response to Re: Chávez likely to succeed in eliminating term limits, posted by BIE on Tue Sep 11 21:02:33 2007.

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Chavez is doing what I would do, take over the government to fix long-standing problems. I wouldn't be taking away rights or doing the whole Communist thing, but the US can use a non-communist, right-restoring version of him since an idealist who is sick of our decline could do a LOT of good with no congress or senate in the way.

Dictator has to be one of the most fun jobs out there. Have a country under your thumb, make all the laws, and be able to mistreat prisoners at will. Fun stuff, isn't it?

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Re: Chávez likely to succeed in eliminating term limits

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Sep 11 22:11:29 2007, in response to Re: Chávez likely to succeed in eliminating term limits, posted by Scrabbleship on Tue Sep 11 21:52:03 2007.

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Chavez is doing what I would do, take over the government to fix long-standing problems

That's not what Chávez is doing at all; he is taking over the government, but he's not fixing any problems; he's creating new and bigger ones. (Hmm; add Venezuela to the list of countries you should move to.) Consolidation of power does not mean fixing problems, oh no.



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Re: Chávez likely to succeed in eliminating term limits

Posted by Scrabbleship on Tue Sep 11 23:12:55 2007, in response to Re: Chávez likely to succeed in eliminating term limits, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Sep 11 22:11:29 2007.

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New York could use one of those. It'd rid us of those pathetic wastes of human life known as Silver and Bruno who in ANY OTHER STATE would have been jailed or executed a LONG time ago.

Vote Scrableship for Dictator of New York. He will fix things AND give you back your rights...by any means necessary.

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Re: Chávez likely to succeed in eliminating term limits

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Sep 11 23:18:50 2007, in response to Re: Chávez likely to succeed in eliminating term limits, posted by Scrabbleship on Tue Sep 11 23:12:55 2007.

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Nah ... we had Paturkey and that didn't work out either. :)

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Re: Chávez likely to succeed in eliminating term limits

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Sep 12 02:13:08 2007, in response to Re: Chávez likely to succeed in eliminating term limits, posted by Scrabbleship on Tue Sep 11 23:12:55 2007.

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You got problems. Take 'em offline.

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Re: Ch?vez likely to succeed in eliminating term limits

Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Sep 12 07:05:45 2007, in response to Re: Ch?vez likely to succeed in eliminating term limits, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Sep 11 13:02:55 2007.

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Yes, maybe we should invade the Bahamas or something. The troops could use some R & R on a beach somewhere with some bikini-clad lovelies showing them some affection....

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Re: Ch?vez likely to succeed in eliminating term limits

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Sep 12 07:12:40 2007, in response to Re: Ch?vez likely to succeed in eliminating term limits, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Sep 12 07:05:45 2007.

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May I suggest Newport, RI before the snow sets in. Yeah, the gurls are skanks but they can cook chowdah. :)

But with the braintrust in power right now, I don't think we could invade a crack house and get it right. They'd all be handed a no-bid contract AND a fat check from Unca Sammy for NOTHING. :(

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