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Maybe....Obama

Posted by orange blossom special on Sun Aug 5 10:54:15 2007

This article turned me around. Time for some airstrikes in the country that has a defense minister that promotes killing yourself and others. Push that Red Mosque to the sea!

And I'm tired of them protesting and bossing the world around.
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Democratic US presidential hopeful Barack Obama was criticised by Pakistani officials as 'irresponsible' for saying in a policy speech last week that, if elected, he might order unilateral military strikes in the country against al-Qaeda. Following the Pakistani officials' comments, hundreds chanted anti-US slogans and burnt a US flag.

Bush administration officials had already angered Pakistanis last week by saying they would consider such strikes if intelligence warranted them.

In Miran Shah, a major town in the troubled region bordering Afghanistan, about 1,000 tribespeople condemned recent Pakistani military operations in the area and vowed to repel any US attack. 'We are able to defend ourselves. We will teach a lesson to America if it attacks us,' a local cleric, Maulvi Mohammed Roman, told the rally.

Elsewhere in the country, a suicide attacker killed nine people after detonating a car bomb at a busy bus station in an area bordering Afghanistan. The attack wounded 35 others, officials said. Army helicopter gunships and troops repelled a guerrilla raid on a military checkpoint earlier last week, killing at least 15 Islamists, the military said.
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I find it disturbing that there are people who think they can defeat the US military. All these woodsy folks who pack a lot of guns for just in case the US gov't turns fascists, I don't get how they'd protect themselves either. What fantasies they have.

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Re: Maybe....Obama

Posted by AlM on Sun Aug 5 11:17:10 2007, in response to Maybe....Obama, posted by orange blossom special on Sun Aug 5 10:54:15 2007.

I find it disturbing that there are people who think they can defeat the US military. All these woodsy folks who pack a lot of guns for just in case the US gov't turns fascists, I don't get how they'd protect themselves either. What fantasies they have.

That's because your definition of defeat isn't the same as theirs.

The North Vietnamese and Viet Cong never defeated the US military in a conventional sense. Yet they achieved their goal of controlling all of Vietnam.

The goons in Iraq, both Sunni and Shiite, cannot defeat the US military in the conventional sense. But they can make life so miserable for the US military that the US government, with the overwhelming backing of its citizens, deicdes to withdraw and let the goons fight it out among themselves, killing huge numbers of Iraqi civilians (but fewer Americans) in the process.

Similarly, the folks in NW Pakistan have a fairly good reason to believe that they could outlast the US's determination to have an effect in the area. I'm not saying they'd be right, and they'd certainly suffer massive casualties, but there's no guarantee that the outcome of US strikes in the region would be totally favorable to US interests and totally unfavorable to the interests of the military factions residing there.











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Re: Maybe....Obama

Posted by orange blossom special on Sun Aug 5 12:06:08 2007, in response to Re: Maybe....Obama, posted by AlM on Sun Aug 5 11:17:10 2007.

That's true, and their definition of war is different than mine.

My definition is shock and awe, and razing fallujah. Not driving around in Chevy Tahoes and Hummers getting IED'd while business as usual is going on around you!

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Re: Maybe....Obama

Posted by orange blossom special on Sun Aug 5 12:06:45 2007, in response to Re: Maybe....Obama, posted by orange blossom special on Sun Aug 5 12:06:08 2007.

And because of that, they think they're definition of defeating the us, is just that, actual defeat, not just chasing them away.

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Re: Maybe....Obama

Posted by AlM on Sun Aug 5 12:13:25 2007, in response to Re: Maybe....Obama, posted by orange blossom special on Sun Aug 5 12:06:45 2007.

And because of that, they think they're definition of defeating the us, is just that, actual defeat, not just chasing them away.

I don't agree. I think their definition of defeating the US is outlasting us until we give up.




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Re: Maybe....Obama

Posted by orange blossom special on Sun Aug 5 14:16:25 2007, in response to Re: Maybe....Obama, posted by AlM on Sun Aug 5 12:13:25 2007.

Then they wouldn't have rallys about crushing, or destroying, or embarrassing the army in terms of firepower and such.
Instead they'd say things like just chasing America out. I think their words and context sounds bigger than just chasing you away.

Threaten them anywhere, like this Pakistan one. Instead of thinking they'll get the shit bombed out of them, and nothing left, they act like a few IED's and homocide bombers will keep America away. Then get emboldened the way they do.

But it makes sense, being they can't figure out what a holocaust actually is, or any of the other bullshit they pull daily.

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Re: Maybe....Obama

Posted by PATHman on Sun Aug 5 18:42:48 2007, in response to Maybe....Obama, posted by orange blossom special on Sun Aug 5 10:54:15 2007.

At first I thought Obama was an intelligent and innovative candidate that would get the US back on the right track...then, I heard his speech. He is nothing but a charismatic guy with all style and no substance. Despite his Ivy League education he is clueless. Even Hillary would be a better candidate.

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Re: Maybe....Obama

Posted by Scrabbleship on Sun Aug 5 19:02:40 2007, in response to Re: Maybe....Obama, posted by PATHman on Sun Aug 5 18:42:48 2007.

Hillary would be the end of America before Obama. Obama is merely the start of the counter-radicalism movement of Generations X and Y, jaded by a generation of lies.

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Re: Maybe....Obama

Posted by BIE on Sun Aug 5 19:30:52 2007, in response to Re: Maybe....Obama, posted by AlM on Sun Aug 5 11:17:10 2007.

You win wars by KILLING PEOPLE, NOT LIBERATING THEM.

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Re: Maybe....Obama

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 5 19:37:54 2007, in response to Re: Maybe....Obama, posted by BIE on Sun Aug 5 19:30:52 2007.

You speak truth here.

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Re: Maybe....Obama

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Aug 5 23:34:15 2007, in response to Re: Maybe....Obama, posted by orange blossom special on Sun Aug 5 14:16:25 2007.

I'm bookmarking this thread, because I want to give a specific example next time it comes across.

Like when they say they're going to "break out backs", "punch out our teeth", or how our "steets will run with blood", and of course how we're "a paper tiger".

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Re: Maybe....Obama

Posted by Grand concourse on Sun Aug 5 23:35:11 2007, in response to Re: Maybe....Obama, posted by PATHman on Sun Aug 5 18:42:48 2007.

You find this out now?

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Re: Maybe....Obama

Posted by Grand concourse on Sun Aug 5 23:36:04 2007, in response to Re: Maybe....Obama, posted by BIE on Sun Aug 5 19:30:52 2007.

Exactly. Should've just let the Sunnis and Shiites kill each other after Saddam was hung off a rope.

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Re: Maybe....Obama

Posted by BIE on Sun Aug 5 23:55:45 2007, in response to Re: Maybe....Obama, posted by Grand concourse on Sun Aug 5 23:36:04 2007.

bu$h oughta just ROAST 'EM. When there's NO ONE left in Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan he can say "We Won" and scum the world over will learn to fear the wrath of America.

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Re: Maybe....Obama

Posted by Grand concourse on Mon Aug 6 00:01:51 2007, in response to Re: Maybe....Obama, posted by BIE on Sun Aug 5 23:55:45 2007.

Pakistan should go too. If they love Al queda so much, then they will have to love the nuke as well.

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Re: Maybe....Obama

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Aug 6 02:19:38 2007, in response to Re: Maybe....Obama, posted by BIE on Sun Aug 5 23:55:45 2007.

What's taking 'em so darn long?



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Re: Maybe....Obama

Posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Aug 6 03:24:23 2007, in response to Re: Maybe....Obama, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Aug 6 02:19:38 2007.

A great movie. I almost ROFLMAO with Peter Seller's hand saluting the Fuhrer.

I miss Sellers.

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Re: Maybe....Obama

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 24 21:29:50 2009, in response to Maybe....Obama, posted by orange blossom special on Sun Aug 5 10:54:15 2007.

Democratic US president(ial hopeful) Barack Obama was criticised by Pakistani officials as 'irresponsible' for saying in a policy speech last week that, if elected, he might order unilateral military strikes in the country against al-Qaeda

But what about the Taliban?

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Re: Maybe....Obama

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Jun 25 17:02:48 2009, in response to Re: Maybe....Obama, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 24 21:29:50 2009.

Pakistiani soliders would rather march into India than fight the Taleban. THey refused to give up the Bombay terrorist again.

Hasn't the Red Mosque gone peaceful since Jan 20th?

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Re: Maybe....Obama

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jun 25 18:21:04 2009, in response to Re: Maybe....Obama, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Jun 25 17:02:48 2009.

Hasn't the Red Mosque gone peaceful since Jan 20th?

Nope . . .


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