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Posted by subfan on Sat Oct 18 14:29:48 2025, in response to Re: Horrible agreement, posted by AlM on Thu Oct 16 14:49:19 2025. You are being either irrationally optimistic or deliberately obtuse. Within the next few months, calls will begin for Israel to "stop the occupation of Gaza", along with stories about poor Gazans who have been displaced by the war and it's aftermath. All these stories will ignore, if course, how we got into this situation - the 7 October 2023 attack by Hamas on Israel, which polls at the time showed was supported by the vast majority of Gazans.They had the ultimate FAFO experience - but the world already has largely forgotten about this in its focus on the plight of the "poor Gazans". We in Israel, though, don't have the luxury of forgetting. subfan |
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Posted by subfan on Sat Oct 18 14:35:34 2025, in response to Re: Horrible agreement, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Oct 16 12:58:06 2025. Israel needs more than the US for its military needs; for example, engines for Israeli tanks come from Germany, and Germany Alo manufactures most Israeli submarines. Having the US backing Israel is, of course, critical - but (a) it's not enough on its own, and (b) is far from certain to continue if the next president is from the currently-ascendant progressive wing of the party.subfan |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 18 14:39:26 2025, in response to Re: Horrible agreement, posted by subfan on Sat Oct 18 14:35:34 2025. for example, engines for Israeli tanks come from Germany, and Germany Alo manufactures most Israeli submarinesThat's a big mistake. Germany is still highly anti-Israel. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Oct 18 14:48:17 2025, in response to Re: Horrible agreement, posted by subfan on Sat Oct 18 14:29:48 2025. Within the next few months, calls will begin for Israel to "stop the occupation of Gaza", along with stories about poor Gazans who have been displaced by the war and it's aftermath. All these stories will ignore, if course, how we got into this situation - the 7 October 2023 attack by Hamas on Israel, which polls at the time showed was supported by the vast majority of Gazans.I understand. I don't think those calls will generate even a fraction of the world response that was generated by the ongoing bombing of Gaza. I acknowledge that I might be irrationally optimistic. We'll see. |
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Posted by subfan on Sat Oct 18 23:50:19 2025, in response to Re: Horrible agreement, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 18 14:39:26 2025. There are a limited number of manufacturers of powerful enough diesel engines - there's not much choice. There are also a very limited number of manufacturers of advanced diesel-electric submarines.It would be great in theory if Israel could be fully self-sufficient. But even if Israel had the manufacturing capabilities for everything it needs, it would still need to import the raw materials - so the world's view, unfortunately, must be taken into account at a strategic level. subfan |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Oct 19 00:28:04 2025, in response to Re: Horrible agreement, posted by subfan on Sat Oct 18 14:29:48 2025. Gaza should be destroyed for all time.I don’t give a shit about the future terrorists of Gaza. They accuse Israel of all manner of atrocities; Israel has no reputation to lose, they can make the lies of the Western Left come true. |
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