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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 10 00:14:39 2025, in response to Senator VanHollwn Lying Scumbag, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Mon Jun 9 21:26:28 2025. Been hearing conflicting reports about whether Abrego Garcia is facing the death penalty. He does need a capital charge against him. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Tue Jun 10 00:17:41 2025, in response to Re: Senator Van Hollen, Lying Scumbag, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 10 00:14:39 2025. Well, he wanted due process. Be careful whatbyou ask for. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jun 10 09:59:47 2025, in response to Senator VanHollwn Lying Scumbag, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Mon Jun 9 21:26:28 2025. Because Garcia was deported to El Salvador despite a court order stating he could not be deported to that country, the Trump administration admitted to an "administrative error", and then made the ridiculous claim it couldn't do anything to rectify the situation. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Tue Jun 10 11:19:46 2025, in response to Re: Senator VanHollwn Lying Scumbag, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jun 10 09:59:47 2025. Bullshit! He was already en route when a conflicted & miguided activist judge ordered the plane (in international air space) to turn around. Killmore Garcia was not the only deportee on the plane but while democRATS claim it was about the principle, killmore was the only deportee democRATS sought out. I'd suggest you take off those political blinders once in a while. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jun 10 11:28:10 2025, in response to Re: Senator VanHollwn Lying Scumbag, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Tue Jun 10 11:19:46 2025. Are you suggesting that Abrego Garcia didn't actually have withholding of removal before he was put on an airplane to El Salvador? |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Tue Jun 10 11:36:57 2025, in response to Re: Senator VanHollwn Lying Scumbag, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jun 10 11:28:10 2025. He had 2 orders of removal. Are you suggesting that those 2 orders of removal did not exist? |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jun 10 11:47:40 2025, in response to Re: Senator VanHollwn Lying Scumbag, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Tue Jun 10 11:36:57 2025. This is the first I'm hearing of this. The withholding of removal supersedes any theoretical or actual orders of removal to El Salvador, but it doesn't preclude removing him to a third country. That latter scenario didn't happen in this instance. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Tue Jun 10 12:12:51 2025, in response to Re: Senator VanHollwn Lying Scumbag, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jun 10 11:47:40 2025. He was a citizen of ElSalvador deported to his home country. He feared reprisal from a rival gang "even though he claimed to have no gang affiliation." By the way, the reprisals were due to his involvement in the murder of the mother of a rival gang member, as i recall. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jun 10 12:21:56 2025, in response to Re: Senator VanHollwn Lying Scumbag, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Tue Jun 10 12:12:51 2025. The withholding of removal is a legal status that precludes deportation to the specified country or countries. Do you believe that the administration can just conveniently ignore legal statuses as it sees fit? What is to stop them from deporting you somewhere despite your citizenship in that circumstance? |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Tue Jun 10 12:57:40 2025, in response to Re: Senator VanHollwn Lying Scumbag, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jun 10 12:21:56 2025. So now you want to traverse from the ridiculous to the absurd |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jun 10 13:02:24 2025, in response to Re: Senator VanHollwn Lying Scumbag, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Tue Jun 10 12:57:40 2025. I thought you believed in law and order. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Tue Jun 10 13:07:37 2025, in response to Re: Senator VanHollwn Lying Scumbag, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Tue Jun 10 12:57:40 2025. Apples and oranges. That piece of shit was in this country illegally. He clearly did not believe in law and order. He beat his wife. He trafficked humans including children. He was responsible for crimes and gang actuvities in ElSalvador. There were 2 orders of removal for this piece of shit. Don't you believe in law and order? |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jun 10 13:13:30 2025, in response to Re: Senator VanHollwn Lying Scumbag, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Tue Jun 10 13:07:37 2025. Yes, I do. There was a court order that forbade his deportation to El Salvador. He was deported there anyway. He could have been deported just about anywhere else in the world without violating the court order. Furthermore, whatever crimes he committed in El Salvador are not relevant to anything he did or didn't do in the United States that might warrant deportation. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Tue Jun 10 13:23:07 2025, in response to Re: Senator VanHollwn Lying Scumbag, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jun 10 13:13:30 2025. Fuck him. He lied to get that order. On the other hand if he didnt want to go to ElSalvador and he already had the order of removal, why didnt he self deport to the country of his choice when he had the opportunity? Your sympathy and concerns for this scum make you suspect. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jun 10 13:48:29 2025, in response to Re: Senator VanHollwn Lying Scumbag, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Tue Jun 10 13:23:07 2025. If he was lying, then why did the judge deem his case to be sufficiently credible to issue the withholding of removal? |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Tue Jun 10 14:21:21 2025, in response to Re: Senator VanHollwn Lying Scumbag, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jun 10 13:48:29 2025. Because the judge was a fucking idiot who took his word when he said that he was afraid of a rival gang even though he swore that he had no gang affiliation. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jun 10 15:52:34 2025, in response to Re: Senator VanHollwn Lying Scumbag, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Tue Jun 10 14:21:21 2025. So do you believe that if DOJ, ICE, or some other executive agency thinks someone ought to be deported despite a (judicial branch) court order, that person can be whisked away and sent elsewhere without a hearing, court appearance, or any other opportunity to make his or her case? If yes, then would you support that happening to a citizen, such as yourself? Because you've basically said you don't care for sufficient due process to ensure the right people are being deported, and that they are SOL once deported. It's a very dangerous and slippery slope to be on. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Tue Jun 10 16:13:20 2025, in response to Re: Senator VanHollwn Lying Scumbag, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jun 10 15:52:34 2025. Hey, why dont you start a go fund me page for the piece of shit if youvare so concerned with his due process? What about the due process for all the kids who's lives he fucked up? Why are you so concerned about one person who doesnt give a shit about our laws or constitution? And dont give me the bullshit that they could do the same to me. No since obama is out of office, anyway. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Tue Jun 10 16:15:17 2025, in response to Re: Senator VanHollwn Lying Scumbag, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jun 10 15:52:34 2025. Hey, why dont you start a go fund me page for the piece of shit if youvare so concerned with his due process? What about the due process for all the kids who's lives he fucked up? Why are you so concerned about one person who doesnt give a shit about our laws or constitution? And dont give me the bullshit that they could do the same to me. No since obama is out of office, anyway. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jun 10 16:23:39 2025, in response to Re: Senator VanHollwn Lying Scumbag, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Tue Jun 10 16:15:17 2025. You don't seem to give a shit about our laws or constitution either, as they only seem to apply when you want them to. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Tue Jun 10 16:34:15 2025, in response to Re: Senator VanHollwn Lying Scumbag, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jun 10 16:23:39 2025. Thats bullshit. I obviously care about the laws and constitution as it applies to citizens and legal residents. I really dont give a shit about the rights of illegal immigrants who have no respect for our laws. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jun 10 16:36:25 2025, in response to Re: Senator VanHollwn Lying Scumbag, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Tue Jun 10 16:34:15 2025. The United States Constitution applies to all people in the United States, with no regard for citizenship or immigration status. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Tue Jun 10 17:07:07 2025, in response to Re: Senator VanHollwn Lying Scumbag, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jun 10 16:36:25 2025. I guess you have a reading comprehension issue among your many other problems. I said very clearly that "I really dont give a shit about the rights of illegal immigrants who have no respect for our laws."So you can spout your leftist liberal bullshit all you want. You can debate this until your worthless balls fall off. You are fucking wrong and I'm done with your bullshit. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jun 10 18:27:12 2025, in response to Re: Senator VanHollwn Lying Scumbag, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Tue Jun 10 17:07:07 2025. I comprehend everything quite clearly. You not giving a shit doesn’t carry any legal weight, nor does each profanity you feel compelled to use for some reason.https://www.forbes.com/sites/andyjsemotiuk/2025/05/06/constitutional-rights-of--undocumented-immigrants-do-they-have-any/ Read and learn. It will do you some good. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 10 19:20:49 2025, in response to Re: Senator VanHollwn Lying Scumbag, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jun 10 16:36:25 2025. And that wlshould be amended. The Founding Fathers didn't mean illegals and foreigners. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 10 22:28:14 2025, in response to Re: Senator VanHollwn Lying Scumbag, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jun 10 16:36:25 2025. You are omitting tons of context, particularly how the Constitution applies to illegal alien invaders (similar to those in Israel called "infiltrators", JFTR). Try reading the US Constitution sometime instead of pimping it without citation. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 10 23:17:05 2025, in response to Re: Senator VanHollwn Lying Scumbag, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 10 19:20:49 2025. Yes, they did. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Jun 11 10:35:02 2025, in response to Re: Senator VanHollwn Lying Scumbag, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 10 19:20:49 2025. If that was the case, they would have specified that the rights they were establishing only belonged to citizens, not people. A constitutional definition of citizenship wasn't established until the passage of the 14th Amendment. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Jun 11 10:36:12 2025, in response to Re: Senator Van Hollen, Lying Scumbag, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 10 22:28:14 2025. I have read it. Have you? |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jun 11 22:10:27 2025, in response to Re: Senator VanHollwn Lying Scumbag, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 10 23:17:05 2025. They meant Americans and people who came here from Europe to settle back then. Not illegals, although the FF didn't envision America like it is today. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 11 22:22:08 2025, in response to Re: Senator VanHollwn Lying Scumbag, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jun 11 22:10:27 2025. Immigration restrictions were much less broad back then. It was basically only illegal to come here if you were a criminal.The founding fathers even passed laws to protect the equal rights of “[the] Mahometan, the Hindoo, [sic] and infidel of every denomination.” |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jun 11 22:24:12 2025, in response to Re: Senator VanHollwn Lying Scumbag, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Jun 11 10:35:02 2025. Correct, which highlights my point. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 11 22:30:12 2025, in response to Re: Senator VanHollwn Lying Scumbag, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jun 11 22:24:12 2025. No, it doesn’t. If they had intended only citizens to be covered, it would have said citizens and not people. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 11 22:53:09 2025, in response to Re: Senator VanHollwn Lying Scumbag, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Jun 11 10:35:02 2025. A constitutional definition of citizenship wasn't established until the passage of the 14th AmendmentFalse. Citizenship is in Articles 1 and 2. And the 14th Amendment is specific when it comes to "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" (meaning US jurisdiction, which does not apply to illegal alien invaders). Your knowledge of the Constitution is very deficient, and peppered with lies you were saturated in by the left. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jun 11 23:05:19 2025, in response to Re: Senator VanHollwn Lying Scumbag, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 11 22:22:08 2025. Yes, but not the types who are rioting. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 11 23:05:28 2025, in response to Re: Senator VanHollwn Lying Scumbag, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 11 22:53:09 2025. LOL! I’m sure that his knowledge of the Soviet Constitution is deficit compared to yours. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jun 11 23:07:32 2025, in response to Re: Senator VanHollwn Lying Scumbag, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 11 22:30:12 2025. The FF thought at the time that everyone here was going to be legit |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 11 23:08:46 2025, in response to Re: Senator VanHollwn Lying Scumbag, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jun 11 23:05:19 2025. Well, yes. Crime is illegal. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 11 23:09:22 2025, in response to Re: Senator VanHollwn Lying Scumbag, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jun 11 23:07:32 2025. We had a big country with a lot of empty space to be filled, but that isn’t true anymore. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Thu Jun 12 06:18:31 2025, in response to Re: Senator VanHollwn Lying Scumbag, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 11 22:53:09 2025. So you are saying that illegal alien invaders can’t be charged with crimes that they commit here like foreign “diplomats” because they are not “subject to the jurisdiction thereof”? How can you charge someone if they are not subject to those laws? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 12 09:51:34 2025, in response to Re: Senator VanHollwn Lying Scumbag, posted by mtk52983 on Thu Jun 12 06:18:31 2025. PWNED! |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Thu Jun 12 10:05:38 2025, in response to Re: Senator VanHollwn Lying Scumbag, posted by mtk52983 on Thu Jun 12 06:18:31 2025. Where did he say that? You are inferring bullshit scenarios for the sake of your failed political agenda. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 12 10:55:37 2025, in response to Re: Senator VanHollwn Lying Scumbag, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Thu Jun 12 10:05:38 2025. No, he’s explaining what “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” actually means, instead of what Olog-hai wants it to mean. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Jun 12 11:28:15 2025, in response to Re: Senator VanHollwn Lying Scumbag, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jun 11 22:10:27 2025. How do the Native Americans feel about the "people who came here from Europe to settle back then"? |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Jun 12 11:29:22 2025, in response to Re: Senator VanHollwn Lying Scumbag, posted by mtk52983 on Thu Jun 12 06:18:31 2025. Excellent question... |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 12 13:01:07 2025, in response to Re: Senator VanHollwn Lying Scumbag, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Jun 12 11:28:15 2025. Xenophobia is wrong. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Jun 12 13:16:55 2025, in response to Re: Senator VanHollwn Lying Scumbag, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 12 13:01:07 2025. I don't disagree, but the ideas about how American citizenship evolved being put out here are ludicrous. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jun 12 14:49:48 2025, in response to Re: Senator VanHollwn Lying Scumbag, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 11 23:05:28 2025. LOL back at you. You've obviously never read Article 1 Section 2 of the US Constitution. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jun 12 14:54:00 2025, in response to Re: Senator VanHollwn Lying Scumbag, posted by mtk52983 on Thu Jun 12 06:18:31 2025. That's not what "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" means and you know it. Now you're being purely mendacious. |
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