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White house resident denys care for American citizens

Posted by Avid Reader on Fri Sep 17 11:59:18 2021

President Joe Biden and his administration recently began to cut the distribution of monoclonal antibodies in many GOP-led states, such as Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, Tennessee, Georgia, and Louisiana. A spokesperson for the U.S Department of Health and Human Services explained how their department determines the amount of product each state and territory receives on a weekly basis, adding that the red states are currently compromising too big a share of the supply in recent weeks.

The Biden administration has already started cutting some of the supplies to states, like Florida. While the Sunshine state normally receives about 72,000 doses a week to meet the needs, Gov. Ron DeSantis’ office confirmed that the Department of Health only sent about 30,950 doses.

Christina Pushaw, press secretary for DeSantis, even blasted the move and said that every corporate media outlet pushes stories about overflowing hospitals without first questioning the Biden Administration for restricting the supply of lifesaving COVID-19 treatments. She said she was happy to see that Biden’s COVDID-19 plan included a 50% increase in monoclonal antibody deliveries but was surprised and deeply disappointed to see that the allocations were cut to Florida.

“Supply of monoclonal antibody treatment to Florida, Alabama, Tennessee, Texas & other Southern states restricted by Biden Admin with no real explanation besides ‘equity. How is it equitable to only send treatment for HALF the Floridians who need it, & NO state sites in Alabama?” Pushaw asked.

But Biden has criticized many governors for opposing his federal vaccine mandates, adding that the governors are doing everything they can to “undermine” his life-saving requirements. He called it the “worst kind of politics” for the lives of citizens of their states and putting the children at risk, adding that he “refuses to give in to it.”

HHS reports indicate that the federal health officials will be working with a new approach to “more evenly distribute” the 150,000 doses that the government makes available every week. They said they would cut the shipments to GOP-led states in the Southeast and accused them of making these pricey antibody drugs a “central part of their pandemic strategy” while spurring mask mandates and other restrictions.

But Florida Gov. DeSantis has simply argued that there should be a variety of options available to Florida residents and that parents should make health and medical decisions for their kids. He has continued to defend school parents and work against the mask mandates being forced through by school boards.

Donald Trump Jr. responded to the news that Biden was restricting antibody treatments in red states as a form of political punishment. He said Americans would die because of Biden’s decision to punish the political enemy and restrict their abilities to secure antibody treatments.

Sen. Marco Rubio also pointed out that while these treatments aren’t a substitute for vaccines, they have prevented thousands of hospitalizations in breakthrough cases. He called the move by the Biden Administration a “partisan payback” against states that don’t agree with them.

Only the Biden Administration would punish states advocating a safe treatment when sick instead of an injection when healthy. You can choose to prevent instead of repair or repair instead of prevent but should be up to the individual and not the establishment. Only red states are protecting that right.

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Re: White house resident denys care for American citizens

Posted by AlM on Fri Sep 17 12:47:55 2021, in response to White house resident denys care for American citizens, posted by Avid Reader on Fri Sep 17 11:59:18 2021.

So you don't think that a medicine in very short supply should be distributed equitably?

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Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 17 13:00:42 2021, in response to White house resident denys care for American citizens, posted by Avid Reader on Fri Sep 17 11:59:18 2021.

Biden to US: Drop Dead

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Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Sep 17 13:12:33 2021, in response to Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 17 13:00:42 2021.

Word!

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Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens

Posted by Dave on Fri Sep 17 13:30:22 2021, in response to Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 17 13:00:42 2021.

Well said, Olog.

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Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens

Posted by AlM on Fri Sep 17 13:34:28 2021, in response to Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens, posted by Dave on Fri Sep 17 13:30:22 2021.

So you oppose equitable distribution of medicine that is in short supply?

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Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Sep 17 13:36:09 2021, in response to Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens, posted by Dave on Fri Sep 17 13:30:22 2021.

FALSE!

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Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Sep 17 13:36:52 2021, in response to Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens, posted by AlM on Fri Sep 17 13:34:28 2021.

The way to distribute it equitably is to favor people who have been vaccinated or who were unable to get vaccinated due to age or health.

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Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens

Posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Sep 17 13:40:20 2021, in response to Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens, posted by Dave on Fri Sep 17 13:30:22 2021.

You're being sarcastic aren't you?

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Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 17 13:49:43 2021, in response to Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens, posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Sep 17 13:40:20 2021.

You want to deny care to Americans too?

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Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens

Posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Sep 17 13:59:16 2021, in response to Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 17 13:49:43 2021.

Of course not. I was asking Dave. Unless your name is Dave.

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Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 17 14:00:32 2021, in response to Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens, posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Sep 17 13:59:16 2021.

Well, I for my part give the benefit of the doubt and take him at his word.

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Re: White house resident denys care for American citizens

Posted by Fred G on Fri Sep 17 14:06:00 2021, in response to White house resident denys care for American citizens, posted by Avid Reader on Fri Sep 17 11:59:18 2021.

It’s called rationing

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Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Sep 17 14:14:34 2021, in response to Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Sep 17 13:36:52 2021.

First come, first serve. Or, whoever needs it the most.

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Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Sep 17 14:17:57 2021, in response to Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Sep 17 14:14:34 2021.

People who are not vaccinated need it least as clearly they have no interest in surviving a COVID infection.

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Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens

Posted by Dave on Fri Sep 17 14:20:23 2021, in response to Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens, posted by AlM on Fri Sep 17 13:34:28 2021.

Medicine should go to those who need it.

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Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Sep 17 14:21:22 2021, in response to Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens, posted by Dave on Fri Sep 17 14:20:23 2021.

What if there is less medicine than is needed?

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Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens

Posted by AlM on Fri Sep 17 14:26:31 2021, in response to Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens, posted by Dave on Fri Sep 17 14:20:23 2021.

If enough is available, of course. But the general understanding is that there is not. So it has to be allocated, unfortunately.

Are you asserting some of the supply is unused while others aren't getting it?

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Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens

Posted by Jimmymc25 on Fri Sep 17 14:30:02 2021, in response to Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Sep 17 14:17:57 2021.


When it came to the vaccine they said fuck it so now it’s fuck them.

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Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Sep 17 14:44:48 2021, in response to Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens, posted by Dave on Fri Sep 17 13:30:22 2021.

Even a stopped clock....

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Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Sep 17 14:51:34 2021, in response to Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Sep 17 14:17:57 2021.

A tad dramatic, don't ya think?🙄

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Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Sep 17 14:52:05 2021, in response to Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens, posted by Jimmymc25 on Fri Sep 17 14:30:02 2021.

We cannot "pick and choose"

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Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Sep 17 14:54:40 2021, in response to Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Sep 17 14:21:22 2021.

Then it goes to whomever needs it the most.

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Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Sep 17 14:54:47 2021, in response to Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Sep 17 14:52:05 2021.

Sure we can. That’s what rationing is all about.

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Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 17 14:59:31 2021, in response to Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens, posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Sep 17 14:44:48 2021.

. . . says the stopped clock.

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Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Sep 17 15:05:09 2021, in response to Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Sep 17 14:54:47 2021.

And the reasoning behind it?...

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Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Sep 17 15:07:20 2021, in response to Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Sep 17 15:05:09 2021.

Because there isn’t enough medicine.

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Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Sep 17 15:21:30 2021, in response to Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Sep 17 15:07:20 2021.

The reasoning behind not treating those who need it most?....

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Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Sep 17 15:29:04 2021, in response to Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Sep 17 15:21:30 2021.

There is not enough medicine. The people who should get priority are either those who’ve been vaccinated or those who can’t.

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Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Sep 17 15:40:26 2021, in response to Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Sep 17 15:29:04 2021.

Who are we to judge? Slippery slope...

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Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens

Posted by Easy on Fri Sep 17 15:44:13 2021, in response to Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Sep 17 15:29:04 2021.

That's not how triage works.

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Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Sep 17 15:46:47 2021, in response to Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens, posted by Easy on Fri Sep 17 15:44:13 2021.

That is true. But it’s grossly inequitable to deny someone treatment who did what was necessary to avoid getting sick in the first place.

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Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Sep 17 15:47:13 2021, in response to Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Sep 17 15:40:26 2021.

You’re making an excellent argument against socialism.

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Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Sep 17 15:58:11 2021, in response to Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Sep 17 15:46:47 2021.

We cannot be selective (in reality, punitive) with the afflictions people have whether or not they took the proper precautions or acted foolishly. Some odiot breaks his femur while doing the "milk crate challenge". Should the hospitals deny treatment for it?

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Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Sep 17 16:08:21 2021, in response to Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Sep 17 15:46:47 2021.

In Idaho, where the bed:patient ratio is grossly upside down due to unvaccinated COVID-19 patients, they have moved to "best prospect of survival" triage mode.


Not a peep about that from the usual suspects here.

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Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens

Posted by Fred G on Fri Sep 17 16:23:26 2021, in response to Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 17 14:59:31 2021.

Fuck you

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Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens

Posted by Fred G on Fri Sep 17 16:29:28 2021, in response to Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Sep 17 15:58:11 2021.

We’ve taken care of smokers and fatsos for year

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Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens

Posted by AlM on Fri Sep 17 16:37:36 2021, in response to Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Sep 17 15:40:26 2021.

When a product is in short supply, some mechanism will judge. One could sell it to the highest bidder. That way rich coastal elites would get a majority of the supply.

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Posted by AlM on Fri Sep 17 16:38:35 2021, in response to Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Sep 17 15:58:11 2021.

No, but perhaps they'll put them slightly farther toward the back of the queue.

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Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Sep 17 17:31:16 2021, in response to Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens, posted by Fred G on Fri Sep 17 16:29:28 2021.

Job security!

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Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens

Posted by Fred G on Fri Sep 17 17:32:31 2021, in response to Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Sep 17 17:31:16 2021.

That’s true lol

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Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Sep 17 17:39:25 2021, in response to Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens, posted by Fred G on Fri Sep 17 17:32:31 2021.

Cynical thought here: If everybody stopped using tobacco, think of how much $$$ doctors & hospitals would lose. I remember decades ago, the old "Penthouse" magazine ran a few interesting articles on how much $$$ would be lost if there was a cure for all cancer & how deep down they would not want that to happen. Makes you wonder sometimes.

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Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens

Posted by Easy on Fri Sep 17 17:42:44 2021, in response to Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Sep 17 17:39:25 2021.

Think of how many lives could be saved if the federal government encouraged employers to only employ non-smokers. I don't see why that wouldn't be a thing.

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Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens

Posted by Fred G on Fri Sep 17 17:57:50 2021, in response to Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Sep 17 17:39:25 2021.

That’s been a “conspiracy theory“ for sometime now that cancer is such a big business that they never wanna cure it. You’re right, it does take bringing out your cynical side to entertain it as possible

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Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens

Posted by AlM on Fri Sep 17 18:30:44 2021, in response to Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Sep 17 17:39:25 2021.

If everybody stopped using tobacco, think of how much $$$ doctors & hospitals would lose.

It would be gradual, like a cure for a wide range of cancer would be gradual. Hospitals have long been ratcheting up their number of rooms and back down as situations change. Doctors also often have to scale up or down at different points in their careers.

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Posted by AlM on Fri Sep 17 18:31:52 2021, in response to Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens, posted by Easy on Fri Sep 17 17:42:44 2021.

Smokers don't injure anyone else when they're not smoking.

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Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Sep 17 18:46:45 2021, in response to Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Sep 17 15:58:11 2021.

You’re ignoring the fact that there aren’t enough resources to go around. Ideally, there would be enough for everyone.

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Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 17 19:29:26 2021, in response to Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Sep 17 17:39:25 2021.

If everybody stopped using tobacco, think of how much $$$ doctors & hospitals would lose

I don't see the majority of smokers dying from chronic diseases. Most of the time, it'd be a heart attack that gets them.

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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Sep 17 22:47:17 2021, in response to Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 17 19:29:26 2021.

From my experience, family, friends etc. its been some form of cancer, be it throat, lung, esophageal that brings on the grim reaper thanks to cigarettes.

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Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Sep 17 23:06:34 2021, in response to Re: White house resident denies care for American citizens, posted by Fred G on Fri Sep 17 16:29:28 2021.

My point!

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