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Um, NY Times Critical Thinking

Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 5 00:39:44 2021



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Re: Um, NY Times Critical Thinking

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Mar 5 05:10:06 2021, in response to Um, NY Times Critical Thinking, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 5 00:39:44 2021.

It's very clear from your OP that you just posted this trolling meme for effect, and never actually read the NYT article in question.

The article doesn't say not to think critically. It suggests approaching information on the Internet the way fact-checkers do:

"1. Stop.

2. Investigate the source.

3. Find better coverage.

4. Trace claims, quotes and media to the original context."

This is to insulate yourself from falling into the "rabbit hole" of sites or groups that are very good at pushing propaganda, like the Daily Caller or Stormfront. Stormfront is actually cited in the article as an example of this.

A good example of the "rabbit hole" is the manufactured "outrage" over Dr. Seuss. The right is falsely alleging that "liberals want to censor and 'outlaw' Dr. Seuss as part of 'cancel culture'." The truth, which a little fact-checking reveals, is that Seuss' legacy publisher themselves decided to remove six obscure Seuss books they deemed offensive, from their catalog. But facts don't matter to the right, as long as they can keep you in their own rabbit hole.

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Re: Um, NY Times Critical Thinking

Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 5 05:27:18 2021, in response to Re: Um, NY Times Critical Thinking, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Mar 5 05:10:06 2021.

Um, of course I read it. It's like a long Will D post.

It's fucking pathetic. Mentioning Stormfront! LOL!

Youtube is mentioned and the point is they want to use cancel culture to delete any channel they don't like, such as Stefan Molyneux.

People like you want censorship. It bothers you that people can share thought, ideas, and facts beyond the boundaries or CNN, NY Times, universities, etc.......

You want tighter control over social media.

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Re: Um, NY Times Critical Thinking

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Mar 5 05:42:29 2021, in response to Re: Um, NY Times Critical Thinking, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 5 05:27:18 2021.

No, I don't want "tighter control over social media". What I want is for safeguards to be in place so that sites like Facebook don't turn into OT Chat.

I also don't want "censorship", but given the rampant spewing of demonstrably false tropes by Fox News, Stormfront, the Daily Caller,etc., I want the remedy, speech that is true, to be readily available and easily accessible in rebuttal.

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Re: Um, NY Times Critical Thinking

Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 5 06:00:26 2021, in response to Re: Um, NY Times Critical Thinking, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Mar 5 05:42:29 2021.

safeguards to be in place

LOL!

I also don't want "censorship",

you just said that you do. #cancelculture


Fox News, Stormfront, the Daily Caller,etc

none of which have any influence on my. I have my sources for diet and nutrition, romance and relationships, aviation, crime, and the way the Left is "progressing" it will all be cancelled.

Look at Stefan Molyneux. Should someone be cancelled for daily rants against single mothers? Don't answer. I know how you think.

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Re: Um, NY Times Critical Thinking

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Mar 5 06:03:39 2021, in response to Re: Um, NY Times Critical Thinking, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 5 06:00:26 2021.

Where did I say that I "want censorship"? I said speech that is false should be rebutted by speech that is true.

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Re: Um, NY Times Critical Thinking

Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 5 06:18:31 2021, in response to Re: Um, NY Times Critical Thinking, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Mar 5 06:03:39 2021.

Cancel culture is the same.

Your side has the internet advantage.

The internet favors totalitarian government. The one you seek.

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Re: Um, NY Times Critical Thinking

Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 5 06:23:35 2021, in response to Re: Um, NY Times Critical Thinking, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Mar 5 06:03:39 2021.

Blue state bailout.

Delete!

Cancel!

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Re: Um, NY Times Critical Thinking

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Mar 5 09:34:11 2021, in response to Um, NY Times Critical Thinking, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 5 00:39:44 2021.

lol google

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Re: Um, NY Times Critical Thinking

Posted by AlM on Fri Mar 5 09:52:33 2021, in response to Re: Um, NY Times Critical Thinking, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Mar 5 05:10:06 2021.

He also didn't notice that a prime example of a source that poses the risk of leading people astray is Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.

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Re: Um, NY Times Critical Thinking

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Mar 5 10:15:43 2021, in response to Re: Um, NY Times Critical Thinking, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Mar 5 05:42:29 2021.

"... sites like Facebook don't turn into OT Chat."

That will never happen. With Facebook theres always someone minding the store. You say something "wrong" or "inflammatory" etc, your post gets yanked off and you get sent to Facebook Jail. If your are naughty enough, you'll be banned outright. Right here is the wild wild west of message boards. No moderation, no interference, no nothing as far as oversight. Ultimate freedom of speech, no matter how harsh, offensive & juvenile the posts are.
Point being, you'll never see an "OT Chat Jail" here!

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Re: Um, NY Times Critical Thinking

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Mar 5 10:23:10 2021, in response to Re: Um, NY Times Critical Thinking, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Mar 5 05:42:29 2021.

Lumping Stormfront in with Daily Caller shows you know nothing of either.

Daily Caller:
-has defended Ilhan Omar in the face of conspiracy theories claiming she's a Qatar asset
-has countered election fraud conspiracy theories
-Is considered credible news by NewsGuard, a left leaning news credibility rating organization. They *hate* giving right-wing outfits a credible rating and will use any excuse to decertify them, so this is a significant rating.

Fox News: Is right wing MSNBC.

Stormfront: Is a den of neo-nazis.

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Re: Um, NY Times Critical Thinking

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 5 10:31:50 2021, in response to Re: Um, NY Times Critical Thinking, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Mar 5 10:23:10 2021.

Fox News is a legitimate news organization with right wing opinion/commentary. But having news together with opinion is an old tradition from print journalism. Since FNC has distinct programs, any reasonable person should be able to discern which is opinion and which is news, the same way there's an editorial page.

Now there is a right wing slant to their news product, which doesn't necessarily affect the factual content and mainly manifests itself in what stories they choose to prioritize. I mean they called Arizona correctly days before anyone else did and I'm sure the right leaning people in the news department were pained by it but they couldn't contradict their polling department. A similar thing happened in 2012 when Megyn Kelly walked over to the polling desk and asked why they were so sure that Obama had won while Karl Rove was being interviewed and disputed the results.

OANN and Newsmax OTOH are pure propaganda.

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Re: Um, NY Times Critical Thinking

Posted by AlM on Fri Mar 5 11:33:10 2021, in response to Re: Um, NY Times Critical Thinking, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Mar 5 10:15:43 2021.

You say something "wrong" or "inflammatory" etc, your post gets yanked off and you get sent to Facebook Jail.

Or you don't and still get sent to Facebook jail. Their artificial intelligence algorithms are definitely artificial and not very intelligent.

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Re: Um, NY Times Critical Thinking

Posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 5 11:58:15 2021, in response to Re: Um, NY Times Critical Thinking, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Mar 5 05:10:06 2021.

That was published weeks ago. You guys just getting to this?

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Re: Um, NY Times Critical Thinking

Posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 5 11:58:55 2021, in response to Re: Um, NY Times Critical Thinking, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 5 05:27:18 2021.

Like censoring Neera Tanden?

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Re: Um, NY Times Critical Thinking

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Mar 5 12:57:39 2021, in response to Um, NY Times Critical Thinking, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 5 00:39:44 2021.

And here it was the left promoting "critical thinking" as their primary anti-religion weapon in the past. Now the first five results on Google are "goodthink", lol.

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Re: Um, NY Times Critical Thinking

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Mar 5 13:11:51 2021, in response to Re: Um, NY Times Critical Thinking, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Mar 5 05:10:06 2021.

The Suess publishers are the Left though...

Also, I see that you only used non-Lefty sites. (Well, Srormfront is probably Left wing)

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Re: Um, NY Times Critical Thinking

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Mar 5 13:13:23 2021, in response to Re: Um, NY Times Critical Thinking, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Mar 5 05:42:29 2021.

EVERY site should be like Subchat OT Chat. This is a TRUE bastion of free speech.

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Re: Um, NY Times Critical Thinking

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Mar 5 13:14:12 2021, in response to Re: Um, NY Times Critical Thinking, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 5 06:18:31 2021.

Yep!

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Re: Um, NY Times Critical Thinking

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Mar 5 13:14:40 2021, in response to Re: Um, NY Times Critical Thinking, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Mar 5 06:03:39 2021.

You're forgetting about "hate facts".

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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Mar 5 13:19:39 2021, in response to Re: Um, NY Times Critical Thinking, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Mar 5 10:15:43 2021.

This is why I like this place. True freedom of speech!

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Re: Um, NY Times Critical Thinking

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Mar 5 13:22:09 2021, in response to Re: Um, NY Times Critical Thinking, posted by AlM on Fri Mar 5 11:33:10 2021.

I agree! I'm not on Fascistbook, butb I've heard all the stories. You either have a bot policing the biorhythms, or Babu from some 3rd world shithole doing it.

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Re: Um, NY Times Critical Thinking

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Mar 5 13:27:40 2021, in response to Re: Um, NY Times Critical Thinking, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Mar 5 13:22:09 2021.

Nobody from any second-world s---holes?

Nobody uses "second world" any more because the UN told them not to. Do you know what it means?

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Re: Um, NY Times Critical Thinking

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 5 13:36:35 2021, in response to Re: Um, NY Times Critical Thinking, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Mar 5 13:27:40 2021.

Oh please. Nobody uses that term any more because there are like 5 actual communist countries and the one main communist country is really corporatist instead of communist.

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Re: Um, NY Times Critical Thinking

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Mar 5 13:44:45 2021, in response to Re: Um, NY Times Critical Thinking, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 5 06:18:31 2021.

Your side has the internet advantage

Not for long.

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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Mar 5 13:57:07 2021, in response to Re: Um, NY Times Critical Thinking, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Mar 5 13:22:09 2021.

Facebook was never meant to be a political forum.

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Re: Um, NY Times Critical Thinking

Posted by AlM on Fri Mar 5 14:51:08 2021, in response to Re: Um, NY Times Critical Thinking, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 5 13:36:35 2021.

there are like 5 actual communist countries

North Korea

I've run out of names.

Everything else I can think of is corporatist.

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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 5 14:58:42 2021, in response to Re: Um, NY Times Critical Thinking, posted by AlM on Fri Mar 5 14:51:08 2021.

Cuba is still communist in the post-Stalin Soviet mold. DPRK is Stalinist. Vietnam and Laos are mini-Chinas.

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Posted by AlM on Fri Mar 5 15:02:08 2021, in response to Re: Um, NY Times Critical Thinking, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 5 14:58:42 2021.

Yes, Cuba too. I think of China, Vietnam, and Laos as being corporatist. But I guess there is still a lot of government control even of privately owned corporations, much more so than say in Franco's Spain.

So I grant you 5.

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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Mar 5 15:35:08 2021, in response to Re: Um, NY Times Critical Thinking, posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Mar 5 13:57:07 2021.

It encompasses everything. And I wasn't even thinking about politics. Friends of mine have been banned for music posts, animal posts, etc...

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Re: Um, NY Times Critical Thinking

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Mar 5 17:02:57 2021, in response to Re: Um, NY Times Critical Thinking, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Mar 5 13:19:39 2021.

Yep. Freedom of speech + thick skin = OT Chat!

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Re: Um, NY Times Critical Thinking

Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 5 18:52:52 2021, in response to Re: Um, NY Times Critical Thinking, posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Mar 5 13:57:07 2021.

Um, it isn't.

It's mostly people showing what they had for dinner, where they have traveled, updating on how much weight they've lost, or what's bothering them.

The problem with the internet is that it allows conservatives to communicate and share thoughts and ideas, which upsets totalitarian democrats.

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Re: Um, NY Times Critical Thinking

Posted by ntrainride on Sat Mar 6 08:18:10 2021, in response to Re: Um, NY Times Critical Thinking, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Mar 5 13:13:23 2021.

truth.

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