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Voting machines are never wrong |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Dec 4 14:46:39 2020 |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Dec 4 16:00:07 2020, in response to Voting machines are never wrong, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Dec 4 14:46:39 2020. Which is why a paper ballot with a mark sense reader is probably the best combination. Also, there can be a sanity check when the voter places the ballot into the scanner. This would alert the voter to any reason why the ballot might be declared invalid, e.g. voting for two different candidates for the same office. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Dec 4 16:00:47 2020, in response to Voting machines are never wrong, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Dec 4 14:46:39 2020. Which is why a paper ballot with a mark sense reader is probably the best combination. Also, there can be a sanity check when the voter places the ballot into the scanner. This would alert the voter to any reason why the ballot might be declared invalid, e.g. voting for two different candidates for the same office. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Dec 4 16:18:31 2020, in response to Re: Voting machines are never wrong, posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Dec 4 16:00:07 2020. I prefer the "scantron" like ballots (like you get at a test or school). AFAIK, I never had an answer marked incorrectly, but I've heard of people hand re-grading, like for a bar exam or standard test, high school, etc. I wonder the error rate.Whatever it is, I'm sure the numbers don't equal Biden being more corrupt than Enron is statisically. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Dec 5 09:08:04 2020, in response to Voting machines are never wrong, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Dec 4 14:46:39 2020. Malfunctioning, yes. Fraudulent, no. Touch screens are sometimes not calibrated right; I've noticed this a number of times at bank ATMs. The sensible thing to do here would be to touch the screen at the bottom of Waller's box, instead of in the middle of it. That would probably record the correct vote, since the divisions between sections of the touch screen seem to be offset downward from the corresponding divisions of the display. This has worked on ATMs for me. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Dec 5 10:28:17 2020, in response to Re: Voting machines are never wrong, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Dec 4 16:18:31 2020. Hand marked paper ballots are the most commonly used in most states, except for disabled voters.That's good, because they provide the best audit capability. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Dec 5 11:16:40 2020, in response to Re: Voting machines are never wrong, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Dec 4 16:18:31 2020. "Scantron" is a manufacturer, mark sense, aka optical mark reading (OMR), is the technology. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Dec 5 12:26:24 2020, in response to Re: Voting machines are never wrong, posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Dec 4 16:00:07 2020. How come we never heard of these problems when we had the old fashioned manual pull lever machines? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Dec 5 12:42:46 2020, in response to Re: Voting machines are never wrong, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Dec 5 12:26:24 2020. That’s specious reasoning. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Dec 5 12:56:24 2020, in response to Re: Voting machines are never wrong, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Dec 5 12:26:24 2020. Pull-lever machines can't be audited. If a machine started off the day with more than zero votes for a candidate and it didn't get detected right away then, there was no way of ever detecting it later.So fool-proof vote theft, though limited in scope, was possible and undetectable, which is why you never heard about it. All the powers that be had to make sure is that they didn't get greedy - mustn't have more total votes than total voters on a machine. But no position gets votes from all voters. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Dec 5 14:45:41 2020, in response to Re: Voting machines are never wrong, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Dec 5 12:26:24 2020. How come we never heard of these problems when we had the old fashioned manual pull lever machines?You may never have heard of problems with lever machines. Don't extrapolate your limited knowledge to include the rest of us. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Dec 5 15:01:16 2020, in response to Voting machines are never wrong, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Dec 4 14:46:39 2020. Simpsons predicted this too: |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Dec 5 18:21:12 2020, in response to Re: Voting machines are never wrong, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Dec 5 15:01:16 2020. Yep.... |
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