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Posted by Easy on Tue Jul 7 15:12:59 2020, in response to Re: Who is this Karen?, posted by AlM on Tue Jul 7 15:07:11 2020. I would consider that wealth privilege. Certainly not all white people have that or were born with it. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Jul 7 15:18:36 2020, in response to Re: Who is this Karen?, posted by Easy on Tue Jul 7 15:12:59 2020. OK. But a far greater percentage of white people than of non-whites have that form of privilege. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 7 15:31:39 2020, in response to Re: Who is this Karen?, posted by AlM on Tue Jul 7 15:01:29 2020. What does that have to do with race and why do you make this assumption? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 7 15:32:47 2020, in response to Re: Who is this Karen?, posted by AlM on Tue Jul 7 15:18:36 2020. But that’s not “white privilege.” |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Tue Jul 7 15:33:48 2020, in response to Re: Who is this Karen?, posted by Easy on Tue Jul 7 12:18:50 2020. IAWTP |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Jul 7 15:37:18 2020, in response to Re: Who is this Karen?, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 7 15:31:39 2020. What it has to do with race is that, purely factually, the risk of homelessness is massively greater among non-whites than whites. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Jul 7 15:38:03 2020, in response to Re: Who is this Karen?, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 7 15:32:47 2020. I think opinions differ on the definition. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Jul 7 15:39:17 2020, in response to Re: Who is this Karen?, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Tue Jul 7 15:33:48 2020. figures |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Jul 7 15:45:09 2020, in response to Re: Who is this Karen?, posted by AlM on Tue Jul 7 15:01:29 2020. likely because he has a job and doesn't have to rely on the benevolence of the government. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Jul 7 15:46:05 2020, in response to Re: Who is this Karen?, posted by AlM on Tue Jul 7 15:07:11 2020. so then Michelle Obama is white? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Jul 7 15:51:19 2020, in response to Re: Who is this Karen?, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 7 15:32:47 2020. How do you dare challenge the offial authority on words and meanings? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 7 15:57:46 2020, in response to Re: Who is this Karen?, posted by AlM on Tue Jul 7 15:37:18 2020. But that's not "white privilege" because it's not a privilege that anyone has for being white. Plenty of white people lack this "privilege." |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Tue Jul 7 16:08:18 2020, in response to Re: Who is this Karen?, posted by Chicagomotorman on Tue Jul 7 12:23:12 2020. Justice Clarence Thomas has spoken frequently about the extra burden of having to not just perform as well as everybody else, but to do more than them because whenever he has achieved anything people have always questioned whether it is on merit or whether it was due to "affirmative action." You or I will never have to face that question. |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Jul 7 18:32:00 2020, in response to Re: Who is this Karen?, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Jul 7 16:08:18 2020. But isn’t that his hypocritical argument for ending the same programs that helped him? |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jul 7 18:43:45 2020, in response to Re: Who is this Karen?, posted by Easy on Tue Jul 7 12:20:50 2020. I just see it as privileged or not privileged. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Jul 7 18:56:11 2020, in response to Re: Who is this Karen?, posted by AlM on Tue Jul 7 15:38:03 2020. The only definition that makes some sense to me is that people's unconscious biases for in-group preference will result in a white person being viewed more favorably in areas where white is the dominant race.It makes sense that people who live in majority-white suburbs would push such a concept - they afford white privilege to others, so they assume it is some universal truth. Anyone who has lived or worked in a diverse environment should see how mentally exhausting and arguably pointless it is to group people based on race and treat them differently because of it. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Jul 7 19:11:35 2020, in response to Re: Who is this Karen?, posted by AlM on Tue Jul 7 15:18:36 2020. How so, and what are you talking about? Do you have stats for this claim ? Remember, whites out number blacks 6 to 1, so it's not just raw numbers.And not to mention, I never heard this as an argument for "white privilege" |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Jul 7 19:12:13 2020, in response to Re: Who is this Karen?, posted by Easy on Tue Jul 7 18:32:00 2020. Did he ever use it? Or if he did use it, did he need to? If the program didn't exist no one would ever question that he earned his position.One thing that has pushed me away from the left is that whenever the discussion of Black Republicans comes up, they just dismiss the few there are out of hat as "tokens". A left-wing approved way of calling someone a diversity hire. I wonder if they'd say the same about Jackie Robinson. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Jul 7 19:12:16 2020, in response to Re: Who is this Karen?, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Jul 7 18:56:11 2020. Excellent post |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Jul 7 19:28:24 2020, in response to Re: Who is this Karen?, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Jul 7 19:12:13 2020. Yes, he benefited from affirmative action and now opposes it. Google "Clarence Thomas affirmative action". |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Jul 7 19:38:08 2020, in response to Re: Who is this Karen?, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Jul 7 19:12:13 2020. I wonder if they'd say the same about Jackie Robinson.I think we can easily take a look of all of Jackie Robinson's accomplishments and compare them to those of other baseball players. And then we can take a look at all of Clarence Thomas's Supreme Court opinions and compare them to those of other Supreme Court justices. And lo and behold, guess what we find! |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Jul 7 19:47:08 2020, in response to Re: Who is this Karen?, posted by AlM on Tue Jul 7 19:38:08 2020. Not apples to apples. Just being voted onto the Supreme Court is comparable to being elected to the baseball hall of fame and Robinson's stats have to be near the bottom for hall of famers. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Jul 7 19:48:47 2020, in response to Re: Who is this Karen?, posted by Easy on Tue Jul 7 19:28:24 2020. Ah, I see:As an undergraduate at Holy Cross College, Thomas received a scholarship set aside for racial minorities. He was admitted to Yale Law School in 1971 as part of an aggressive (and successful) affirmative action program with a clear goal: 10 percent minority enrollment. Yale offered him generous financial aid. I never thought of financial aid as affirmative action, though I suppose it is. It's lowered admission (/hiring) standards that cause the problems Clarence Thomas argues against. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 7 19:55:55 2020, in response to Re: Who is this Karen?, posted by AlM on Tue Jul 7 15:38:03 2020. Your definition doesn’t make any sense. |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Jul 7 20:00:27 2020, in response to Re: Who is this Karen?, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 7 19:55:55 2020. A lot of people strongly believe that wealthy white people became wealthy because they were white. That they benefitted from a system designed to help them at the expense of black people. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue Jul 7 20:31:42 2020, in response to Re: Who is this Karen?, posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Jul 7 14:05:32 2020. One of Luch's 37,000,000,000,000 obsessions. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue Jul 7 20:32:39 2020, in response to Re: Who is this Karen?, posted by Chicagomotorman on Tue Jul 7 12:20:25 2020. One of my early (minor) celebrity crushes. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 7 21:02:11 2020, in response to Re: Who is this Karen?, posted by Easy on Tue Jul 7 20:00:27 2020. AlM is saying that white wealth is the cause of “white privilege” and not the other way around. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 7 21:06:26 2020, in response to Re: Who is this Karen?, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue Jul 7 20:32:39 2020. I looked that person up (having never heard of her) and saw on the Siri Knowledge page that she was born in “Sebastopol” and until I clicked that I thought she was born in Crimea. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Jul 7 21:31:21 2020, in response to Re: Who is this Karen?, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue Jul 7 20:32:39 2020. For some reason I always got her confused with Sally Field. I have no reason why. |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Jul 7 21:36:27 2020, in response to Re: Who is this Karen?, posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Jul 7 21:31:21 2020. They were both Gidget? |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jul 7 21:39:41 2020, in response to Re: Who is this Karen?, posted by SLRT on Tue Jul 7 12:39:05 2020. It comes from Afro-Caribbean slang "Conky" for a white islander. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Jul 7 21:47:27 2020, in response to Re: Who is this Karen?, posted by Easy on Tue Jul 7 21:36:27 2020. You're right. I didn't know that but I just checked Wikipedia and Karen was Gidget in the movie Gidget Grows Up. I don't think that's the reason I confused them unless it was subconsciously. I think it was more that they looked alike. (to me at least) |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jul 7 21:51:21 2020, in response to Re: Who is this Karen?, posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Jul 7 14:05:32 2020. Becky is a white girl who steals all the black guys from black women. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jul 7 21:52:53 2020, in response to Re: Who is this Karen?, posted by Easy on Tue Jul 7 15:06:03 2020. Which is? |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Jul 7 21:55:29 2020, in response to Re: Who is this Karen?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jul 7 21:52:53 2020. Skin color. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jul 7 23:17:39 2020, in response to Re: Who is this Karen?, posted by Easy on Tue Jul 7 20:00:27 2020. If that was the case, every white person would be wealthy. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jul 7 23:21:10 2020, in response to Re: Who is this Karen?, posted by Easy on Tue Jul 7 21:55:29 2020. I disagree. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Jul 8 09:42:44 2020, in response to Re: Who is this Karen?, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Jul 7 16:08:18 2020. But isn’t that his hypocritical argument for ending the same programs that helped him? |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed Jul 8 09:55:55 2020, in response to Re: Who is this Karen?, posted by Easy on Wed Jul 8 09:42:44 2020. No. His argument for finding Affirmative Action programs unconstitutional is that the 14th Amendment categorically bars any preference system where race is a factor. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed Jul 8 09:55:55 2020, in response to Re: Who is this Karen?, posted by Easy on Wed Jul 8 09:42:44 2020. No. His argument for finding Affirmative Action programs unconstitutional is that the 14th Amendment categorically bars any preference system where race is a factor. |
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