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VA to remove swastika's from headstones
Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Jun 3 08:02:55 2020 All that would be left on these headstones are famous symbols that Democrats like Katie Hill like to plaster their bodies with. Which begs the question, in the 21st century which is worse? A 80 year old tombstone, or a Demonkkkrat? ====== Veterans Affairs Department Will Remove Swastika-Engraved Tombstones of German Soldiers Interred in US Military Cemeteries
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Re: VA to remove swastika's from headstones
Posted by SLRT* on Wed Jun 3 09:33:19 2020, in response to VA to remove swastika's from headstones, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Jun 3 08:02:55 2020.* They're people who, like soldiers the world over, likely did not have any choice but to be imprisoned and die for decisions made from far above them. Pawns in someone's game.
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special* on Wed Jun 3 10:33:05 2020, in response to Re: VA to remove swastika's from headstones, posted by SLRT on Wed Jun 3 09:33:19 2020.* Usually, and that's what I liked about Hogans Heros. It conveyed that angle to an extent. I hope the gov't doesn't have to use taxpayer money to scrub the nazi tattoos off or our democratic representatives though.
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Re: VA to remove swastika's from headstones
Posted by Jeff Rosen* on Wed Jun 3 10:39:58 2020, in response to VA to remove swastika's from headstones, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Jun 3 08:02:55 2020.* WHY THE FUCK WERE ENEMY SOLDIERS EVEN BURIED IN A U.S. MILITARY CEMETERY????
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Wed Jun 3 11:01:38 2020, in response to Re: VA to remove swastika's from headstones, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Jun 3 10:39:58 2020.* They were POWs who died in captivity and whose remains were not claimed. Presumably they died while the war was still raging so they could not be repatriated (the picture shows a date of death in 1943).
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Re: VA to remove swastika's from headstones
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Wed Jun 3 11:02:46 2020, in response to VA to remove swastika's from headstones, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Jun 3 08:02:55 2020.* Erasing history!
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Posted by Train Dude* on Wed Jun 3 11:06:21 2020, in response to VA to remove swastika's from headstones, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Jun 3 08:02:55 2020.* Perhaps JayZero would first like to plan a march to protest the removal of the symbol of his beloved 3rd Reich
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Posted by Jeff Rosen* on Wed Jun 3 11:10:24 2020, in response to Re: VA to remove swastika's from headstones, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 3 11:01:38 2020.* I realize that. But they could have had separate cemeteries for them, not in U.S. military cemeteries.
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Posted by SLRT* on Wed Jun 3 11:40:52 2020, in response to Re: VA to remove swastika's from headstones, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Jun 3 11:10:24 2020.* They were in U.S. custody, they were POWs, not war criminals, and they deserved to be buried honorably. Separate cemeteries, that would be viewed as "Nazi Cemeteries"? Not a good idea.
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Re: VA to remove swastika's from headstones
Posted by SLRT* on Wed Jun 3 11:41:38 2020, in response to Re: VA to remove swastika's from headstones, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 3 11:02:46 2020.* Who controls the past...
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Re: Veterans Affairs to remove swastikas from headstones in TX and UT
Posted by Olog-hai* on Wed Jun 3 13:17:07 2020, in response to VA to remove swastika's from headstones, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Jun 3 08:02:55 2020.* Funny enough, the swastika is a big part of Jainism. Is this an attack on Jainism by the VA? Never mind the ramifications of making people forget the past. No visible evidence of Nazi Germany, no Holocaust, ad nauseam . . .
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Re: VA to remove swastika's from headstones
Posted by Jeff Rosen* on Wed Jun 3 13:23:59 2020, in response to Re: VA to remove swastika's from headstones, posted by SLRT on Wed Jun 3 11:40:52 2020.* Who gives a shit what they view it as, they are Not U.S. soldiers, they are the enemy and shouldn't be buried in a U.S. cemetery. They could send their remains to Germany for all I care.
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Posted by SLRT* on Wed Jun 3 14:58:38 2020, in response to Re: VA to remove swastika's from headstones, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Jun 3 13:23:59 2020.* Were you in the service, Sarge? Surely not during WWII.
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Re: Veterans Affairs to remove swastikas from headstones in TX and UT
Posted by Jeff Rosen* on Wed Jun 3 15:32:10 2020, in response to Re: Veterans Affairs to remove swastikas from headstones in TX and UT, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 3 13:17:07 2020.* You're right. All those German soldiers weren't Nazis, they're really Jainists.
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Re: VA to remove swastika's from headstones
Posted by Jeff Rosen* on Wed Jun 3 15:37:48 2020, in response to Re: VA to remove swastika's from headstones, posted by SLRT on Wed Jun 3 14:58:38 2020.* No
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Posted by Dutchrailnut* on Wed Jun 3 16:06:19 2020, in response to Re: VA to remove swastika's from headstones, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Jun 3 13:23:59 2020.* what about the thousands of US and Canadian soldiers buried with honors in European cemeteries, should those markings be removed too ??
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Re: Veterans Affairs to remove swastikas from headstones in TX and UT
Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Jun 3 16:19:51 2020, in response to Re: Veterans Affairs to remove swastikas from headstones in TX and UT, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 3 13:17:07 2020. Same for the erasure in the south for all signs of any history of slavery. But it won't work that way. If we can get rid of a reality, we can "change our history" and come up with all sorts of uneducated bullshit. Like my favorite Washington Post article probably 10 years ago about how it was a pasttime before television to put out a picnic and watch a lynching. Everybody was doing it! Since I can't go a day without soemone on the ultra- so-called RW end of the scale and the LW end of the scale using the Nazi's to further their own cause, it's already happened. Personally, maybe I'm wrong, I say leave it on there. If that's who they are and that was their official country flag, even if they were just 3rd generation Prussian soliders, whatever.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Wed Jun 3 16:24:18 2020, in response to Re: VA to remove swastika's from headstones, posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Jun 3 16:06:19 2020.* Because those are ALLIED soldiers. Way to completely miss the point.
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 3 16:28:02 2020, in response to Re: Veterans Affairs to remove swastikas from headstones in TX and UT, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Jun 3 16:19:51 2020. What is "ultra so-called RW" exactly? Everything fascist or national socialist is on the left.
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Posted by Train Dude* on Wed Jun 3 16:36:45 2020, in response to Re: VA to remove swastika's from headstones, posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Jun 3 16:06:19 2020.* What markings are you referring to?
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Posted by Jeff Rosen* on Wed Jun 3 17:01:29 2020, in response to Re: VA to remove swastika's from headstones, posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Jun 3 16:06:19 2020.* I might be wrong but I'm assuming they're not buried in German or Italian military cemeteries.
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Re: Veterans Affairs to remove swastikas from headstones in TX and UT
Posted by Jeff Rosen* on Wed Jun 3 17:02:39 2020, in response to Re: Veterans Affairs to remove swastikas from headstones in TX and UT, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 3 16:28:02 2020.* According to Olog-hai
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Posted by AlM* on Wed Jun 3 17:20:49 2020, in response to Re: VA to remove swastika's from headstones, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Jun 3 13:23:59 2020.* I think you should make your concerns about this US government decision known to President Truman.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Wed Jun 3 17:25:34 2020, in response to Re: Veterans Affairs to remove swastikas from headstones in TX and UT, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Jun 3 17:02:39 2020.* According to Olog-hai No, Comrade Sarge: according to the fascists and national socialists themselves, and even according to the internationalist left before WWII. "The NSDAP is the German Left. We despise bourgeois nationalism." — Josef Goebbels "What does 'social justice' mean? It means work guaranteed, fair wages, decent homes; it means the possibility of continuous evolution and improvement. . . . As the past century was the century of capitalist power, the twentieth century is the century of the power and glory of labor." — Mussolini "To be perfectly clear, we have an economic program. Point number thirteen in that program demands the nationalization of all public companies—in other words, socialization, or what is known here as socialism." — Hitler There is no such thing as a "right wing" socialism, whatsoever; the notion is an oxymoron. Last but not least, fascism and national socialism are on the left also according to Richard B. Spencer.
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Posted by Dutchrailnut* on Wed Jun 3 17:29:37 2020, in response to Re: VA to remove swastika's from headstones, posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Jun 3 16:06:19 2020.* US markings or maple leaf , after all their not burried in US , so should Europeans use same rules ? did the buried German soldiers commit war crimes in US or did the serve their country with their honor ?
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Posted by Dutchrailnut* on Wed Jun 3 17:31:11 2020, in response to Re: VA to remove swastika's from headstones, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 3 16:24:18 2020.* no its not the point , they are honored for their service to their country and as long as its not a war crime , no need to remove countries markings as appropriate for time it occured.
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Olog-hai takes quotes from Nazis and fascists at face value
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Wed Jun 3 17:32:23 2020, in response to Re: Veterans Affairs to remove swastikas from headstones in TX and UT, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 3 17:25:34 2020.* You are disgusting.
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Posted by Dutchrailnut* on Wed Jun 3 17:32:47 2020, in response to Re: VA to remove swastika's from headstones, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Jun 3 17:01:29 2020.* many of them are , but because the cemeteries were closer to Germany many were moved to US , only those with no family are still in foreign countries .
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Wed Jun 3 17:34:10 2020, in response to Re: VA to remove swastika's from headstones, posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Jun 3 17:29:37 2020.* It absolutely is not the same rule, asshole. Those cemeteries in France and such are in the cemeteries of our ALLIES. Our soldiers are buried their with honor because they died liberating those countries. These graves are the enemy.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Wed Jun 3 17:35:27 2020, in response to Re: VA to remove swastika's from headstones, posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Jun 3 17:31:11 2020.* They are being honored for service to Nazi Germany. They should not be honored at all and should just lie in a respectful manner, like anyone else.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Wed Jun 3 17:36:27 2020, in response to Re: VA to remove swastika's from headstones, posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Jun 3 17:31:11 2020.* And in any event, the Swastika is not "appropriate for the time it occurred." It was a repressive regime that brought Germany to ruin. The modern German government acknowledges that. They should use a modern German symbol.
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Posted by FYBklyn1959* on Wed Jun 3 17:39:50 2020, in response to Re: VA to remove swastika's from headstones, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 3 17:34:10 2020.* +60
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Posted by Dutchrailnut* on Wed Jun 3 17:41:29 2020, in response to Re: VA to remove swastika's from headstones, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 3 17:35:27 2020.* has nothing to do with markings , they were drafted and served their country .
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Posted by Dutchrailnut* on Wed Jun 3 17:43:24 2020, in response to Re: VA to remove swastika's from headstones, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 3 17:34:10 2020.* see when loosing argument the name calling starts. point being is those soldier who died did not have a choice as to how they served their country.
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Re: Veterans Affairs to remove swastikas from headstones in TX and UT
Posted by Olog-hai* on Wed Jun 3 17:45:47 2020, in response to Olog-hai takes quotes from Nazis and fascists at face value, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 3 17:32:23 2020.* No, you are, frankly, for your ad lapidem over the clear evidence and offering no proof that they are somehow "right wing" (which in this context means being pro-Constitution and anti-collectivism). All you have are lies and name-calling, never mind blatant antisemitism by defending the inherently-antisemitic left.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Wed Jun 3 17:52:21 2020, in response to Re: Veterans Affairs to remove swastikas from headstones in TX and UT, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Jun 3 15:32:10 2020.* Red herring. I didn't say that. But your behavior is typical of leftism yet again. Notifying the families and asking if they wanted the remains repatriated would have been a better move.
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Posted by Dutchrailnut* on Wed Jun 3 17:55:13 2020, in response to Re: Veterans Affairs to remove swastikas from headstones in TX and UT, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 3 17:52:21 2020.* not all families were available after carpet bombing Germany . and just like Vietnam some wives did not want remains cause they moved on with other suitor.
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Posted by Dutchrailnut* on Wed Jun 3 17:56:29 2020, in response to Re: Veterans Affairs to remove swastikas from headstones in TX and UT, posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Jun 3 17:55:13 2020.* a simple search shows many of American soldiers buried in Europe were never claimed (just example)
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Wed Jun 3 17:57:09 2020, in response to Re: Veterans Affairs to remove swastikas from headstones in TX and UT, posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Jun 3 17:55:13 2020.* after carpet bombing Germany I see you're fond of neo-Nazi propaganda still.
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Posted by Train Dude* on Wed Jun 3 17:57:10 2020, in response to Re: VA to remove swastika's from headstones, posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Jun 3 17:29:37 2020.* Most of Europe was eternally grateful to the US Soldiers who fought and died liberating Europe from the Nazi invaders. I don't think that there would be much sentiment for removing American and Canadian symbols from grave markers. I don't understand what seems to be your dual loyalties.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Wed Jun 3 18:00:53 2020, in response to Re: VA to remove swastika's from headstones, posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Jun 3 17:43:24 2020.* No, I find your comparison of Americans buried in France, etc. to Germans buried in the US to be deeply offensive.
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Jun 3 18:01:21 2020, in response to Re: Veterans Affairs to remove swastikas from headstones in TX and UT, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 3 16:28:02 2020. I don't know what they are, I'm on a facebook group of a talk show host I've listened to longer than anybody, although I only rarely get to listen, and I'm looking at all the comments to the covid news clickbait, and the people are really on the whacky end of the spectrum. The folks who are claiming to want to murder you if they can't pack a restaurant or want to put on a mask. They're not as bad as the left at least, but I'd love a day withotu seeing a swastika. The interesting thing about all of these folks, I don't think they actually even listen to the radio host, or even Trump. Because they're totally not on the right page. I got a facebook "friend" who was a classmate but he's an heir to a GOP operative (father). He's on the mainstream part of The Party which is essentially threatening the republican governor now, didn't support the senate candidate, etc etc. I really see no difference in those GOP'ers and Schumer. It's all about the team. Though they're different than the commentors, I haven't been able to pin them down.
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Posted by Dutchrailnut* on Wed Jun 3 18:03:25 2020, in response to Re: VA to remove swastika's from headstones, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jun 3 17:57:10 2020.* at the European cemeteries there is sections for German soldiers too. it has nothing to do with loyalties but respect for death soldiers, some of them not even soldiers but German merchant seaman or simply following orders , non of them in war crime range .
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Wed Jun 3 18:03:46 2020, in response to Re: Veterans Affairs to remove swastikas from headstones in TX and UT, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 3 17:45:47 2020.* What evidence? I don't listen to the conclusions of Nazis or consider those conclusions authoritative. You do, apparently, because you must love Nazis.
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Posted by Dutchrailnut* on Wed Jun 3 18:05:10 2020, in response to Re: VA to remove swastika's from headstones, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 3 18:00:53 2020.* this is not about honoring a war, but respecting a dead person. no changing of markings will change outcome, but that is what they died under.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Wed Jun 3 18:06:00 2020, in response to Re: VA to remove swastika's from headstones, posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Jun 3 18:03:25 2020.* I have no problem with having these soldiers interred in the United States, just not with swastikas.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Wed Jun 3 18:06:34 2020, in response to Re: Veterans Affairs to remove swastikas from headstones in TX and UT, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 3 18:03:46 2020.* What evidence? Repeating ad lapidem doesn't make it stop being a logical fallacy. I don't listen to the conclusions of Nazis or consider those conclusions authoritative Repeating ad lapidem doesn't make it stop being a logical fallacy, and false accusation of ad verecundiam are ad hominem. And one thing the Nazis never did was hide their intentions; they went straight to collectivist economy, and if someone like Spencer ever got political power he would do so as well. You have no evidence to the contrary. Try trolling without the logical fallacies; you might even seem clever, instead of tiresome.
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Posted by Dutchrailnut* on Wed Jun 3 18:09:26 2020, in response to Re: VA to remove swastika's from headstones, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 3 18:06:00 2020.* so your saying those US soldiers not claimed but buried in Vietnam/Cambodia should be in unmarked graves too ? just asking ?
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Wed Jun 3 18:10:08 2020, in response to Re: VA to remove swastika's from headstones, posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Jun 3 18:05:10 2020.* I think everyone is aware that a German soldier who died in 1943 died fighting under Nazi Germany. Doesn't mean his tombstone needs a swastika.
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Re: Veterans Affairs to remove swastikas from headstones in TX and UT
Posted by Jeff Rosen* on Wed Jun 3 18:11:14 2020, in response to Re: Veterans Affairs to remove swastikas from headstones in TX and UT, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 3 17:45:47 2020.* A goy calling a Jew anti-Semitic?? Funny.
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