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Posted by DAnD124 on Fri May 29 21:54:01 2020 |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri May 29 23:09:12 2020, in response to Atlanta Buring, posted by DAnD124 on Fri May 29 21:54:01 2020. That's your second blank post tonight. Having posting issues? |
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Posted by DAnD124 on Fri May 29 23:10:07 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri May 29 23:09:12 2020. the subject line is the post |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 30 05:43:47 2020, in response to Atlanta Buring, posted by DAnD124 on Fri May 29 21:54:01 2020. You know what? Yes, I support the riots.We in the LGBTQ community owe our rights to a riot. I said what I said. |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Sat May 30 09:12:32 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 30 05:43:47 2020. and you SHOULD DIE in the next riot |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 30 09:16:27 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by TUNNELRAT on Sat May 30 09:12:32 2020. Maybe I will. But it won't be because I failed to speak up and challenge an injustice. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 30 09:19:21 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by TUNNELRAT on Sat May 30 09:12:32 2020. Uncouth and classless post. |
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Posted by The silence on Sat May 30 09:26:41 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 30 05:43:47 2020. I don’t remember anyone saying anything about anyone at stonewall attacking a TV station because they could... |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat May 30 09:31:35 2020, in response to Atlanta Buring, posted by DAnD124 on Fri May 29 21:54:01 2020. It's a bit of a stretch to say I support this, but I DO UNDERSTAND why this is happening. People in minority communities do not enjoy any sense of safety when so much as simply leaving their homes. In fact, they never have. That means they have been living with a stress level WAAAY beyond anything any white person complains of.There were stats published earlier this week on it (search the Times website for the specific article).Basically, for the last 10 years, each and every year, slightly over 1000 black people are killed by police. In contrast, with 2/3 greater numbers, whites are killed by police at half that rate. That says a lot.....if the rates were consistent with the white population, there'd be only a few hundred Black people killed by police every year. That's a huge problem with police that must get resolved. So we have a long term highly stressed population, victims of a clearly defined oppression facing yet ANOTHER event that took the life of an innocent unarmed hardworking man. And the white population is wondering why there's rioting. It's the only outlet that gets attention, proven time and again. We really need to work on this. Seriously. This isn’t happening without reason. And to think the rioters KNOW what they're doing is wrong, that they are only harming themselves. Yet they ALSO know there has been NO OTHER OUTLET towards a resolution. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 30 09:34:53 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by The silence on Sat May 30 09:26:41 2020. The patrons of Stonewall did fight the police hand to hand, and hurled bricks at their oppressors. Nobody told them they could, they realized they must.The rights you enjoy today, are the result of their willingness to fight back and risk everything. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat May 30 09:44:49 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by bingbong on Sat May 30 09:31:35 2020. You really are a sanctimonious bitch. So the "white" population doesn't understand but you do? You miserable, hypocritical cunt. You are the white population. You moved to your all white enclave to get away from the hard working people of color who you understand. So tell me how you come by this understanding of "black life". Your hypocrisy is sickening. Your only saving grace is that most morally superior liberals claim the same "deeper understanding" of the black life and they should hate you for your sickening smugness. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat May 30 09:47:55 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by DAnD124 on Fri May 29 23:10:07 2020. The subject line has a typo. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat May 30 09:50:48 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 30 09:16:27 2020. What injustice? One cop was arrested but he hasn’t even been to trial yet.I think that you mean crime, not injustice. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 30 09:53:18 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by Easy on Sat May 30 09:50:48 2020. Floyd's death was both a crime AND an injustice. What due process was he afforded before his summary execution? |
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Posted by Easy on Sat May 30 10:03:29 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 30 09:53:18 2020. You're saying that the state of Minnesota executed him without due process? Seriously? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat May 30 10:04:45 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 30 05:43:47 2020. yes, no doubt you do. You support the woman seen leaving Target with a new air fryer and 2 cases of diapers because ... well, you know. You fill in the blank. Target deserved to be trashed because... well you know. You fill in the blank. Light rail cars were burnt. Why? Well you know so you explain. You and bingbong seem to understand this so well. Explain it to me. Maybe some day, I'll be entitled to my free air fryer. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat May 30 10:05:51 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 30 05:43:47 2020. You really are a fucking asshole. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat May 30 10:06:56 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by Easy on Sat May 30 09:47:55 2020. yes it did |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat May 30 10:07:30 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat May 30 10:05:51 2020. IAWTP |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 30 10:12:17 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by Easy on Sat May 30 10:03:29 2020. Yes, I am. Was Floyd tried, and was his crime a capital offense?Floyd was executed by Chauvin, who was acting in his (then) role as an agent of the state. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat May 30 10:13:30 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 30 05:43:47 2020. I support the protests. People are upset and want everyone to know how upset they are. It's an emotional outburst but in this instance, it's deserved.I don't support the violence, the looting, attacking police, or the fires. In LA I don't think most of those people committing violence are even there to protest the death of Floyd George. They're opportunists with varied agendas as well as criminals. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 30 10:15:03 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by Train Dude on Sat May 30 10:04:45 2020. Yup. Sometimes you have to make the aristocracy uncomfortable, to effect meaningful change. Change doesn't happen in a vacuum. This is quite beyond your ability to comprehend. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 30 10:16:37 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat May 30 10:05:51 2020. Why? That is a matter of historical fact. Even the inspector who led the raid on the Stonewall Inn that night, later admitted the law he was enforcing, was wrong. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat May 30 10:18:13 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 30 10:12:17 2020. Floyd was killed in a crime as was Yankel Rosenbaum. Yankel Rosenbaum was summarly executed for a crime that he did not commit. His killer, part of an angry mob, yelling "kill the Jew", was acquitted by an "impartial" Brooklyn jury. That's what your "I support the riots" mentality gets you. Vengeance, not justice. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat May 30 10:18:18 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 30 10:16:37 2020. I assume that he was referencing the first bit in your post. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat May 30 10:20:20 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 30 10:15:03 2020. Yes, I'm proud to say that I'll never understand this mob mentality. I'm thankful that most here are as ignorant as I am. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat May 30 10:21:13 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by bingbong on Sat May 30 09:31:35 2020. Even if your statistics are correct which I seriously doubt I'm pretty damn sure that 99.9% of the 1,000 blacks killed by police each year was justified. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 30 10:22:02 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by Easy on Sat May 30 10:13:30 2020. During Stonewall, bricks were thrown through windows, people engaged the cops in hand-to-hand combat, and it took six days for the Rebellion to end.Almost immediately after that, meaningful, positive changes began happening for the LGBTQ community. Riots are ugly and destructive, but sometimes they are also the last resort of the marginalized, dismissed, and "less than". |
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Posted by Easy on Sat May 30 10:23:04 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat May 30 10:21:13 2020. I'm sure that's not even close to true. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 30 10:23:11 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by Train Dude on Sat May 30 10:18:13 2020. Was Lemrick Nelson an agent of the State of New York? |
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Posted by Easy on Sat May 30 10:26:08 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 30 10:22:02 2020. What outcome would you like to see from these riots? |
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Posted by Easy on Sat May 30 10:27:37 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 30 10:23:11 2020. No. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat May 30 10:29:16 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 30 10:12:17 2020. No.That was not his role as an agent of the state. He committed a crime. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat May 30 10:32:07 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 30 10:15:03 2020. Fuck you!! |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat May 30 10:32:32 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 30 10:23:11 2020. Was Yankel Rosenbaum driving the car that accidentally struck and killed Gavin Kato? Was Yankel Rosenbaum even driving? No. He was committing the crime of walking while Jewish. But to your question, was Target a branch of the Minneapolis police Dept.? When that woman looted that brand new air fryer, do you think it was going to be used for a curbside memorial for Mr Floyd? You cheapen his death by trying to justify the unjustifiable. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 30 10:33:22 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by Easy on Sat May 30 10:26:08 2020. Real, lasting reforms, including (but not limited to) better training for the police on use of force, better supervision of the cops (if there was a supervisor at the scene of Floyd's death, he or she failed miserably to do their job; if there was no supervisor there, why?), an understanding of why the many questionable, extrajudicial killings of minorities is wrong, and genuine steps towards a less bigoted society, instead of the one we have now which tolerates, enables, and even encourages horrors like the killings of Ahmaud Arbery and George Floyd. |
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Posted by The silence on Sat May 30 10:35:43 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 30 09:34:53 2020. Answer the damn question... |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 30 10:37:49 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by Train Dude on Sat May 30 10:32:32 2020. There is nothing unjustifiable about making the aristocracy (Target's owners) uncomfortable. Their voices get heard before ours, and they're not interested in having their store trashed, so they will bring pressure to bear on the electeds who can fix the problem that caused the riot to happen in the first place.After the Stonewall Rebellion, small businesses in the Village didn't blame the gays for the destruction. They went to the city council and Mayor Lindsay, and demanded the raids on gay bars stop. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat May 30 10:37:55 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 30 10:33:22 2020. let's conflate every killing of every person of color, now. I want justice for the 10 teens killed in Chicago last weekend. Or maybe I'm not understanding your issue. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 30 10:38:24 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by Easy on Sat May 30 10:29:16 2020. While acting as an agent of the state. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat May 30 10:38:24 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 30 10:33:22 2020. I don't disagree with any of that, but with thousands of police forces around the country how is that achieved in practical terms? For example, with Stonewall I assume that laws were rescinded and/or laws were passed. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat May 30 10:38:37 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by The silence on Sat May 30 10:35:43 2020. He won't. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 30 10:39:29 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by The silence on Sat May 30 10:35:43 2020. I did. You just don't like what I had to say. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat May 30 10:39:54 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 30 10:37:49 2020. Wasn't Target being boycotted by gays a few years ago? Is that why you feel that way? |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 30 10:40:19 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by Train Dude on Sat May 30 10:37:55 2020. Isn't it astonishing how you have appointed yourself as the final authority over the posts of others? |
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Posted by Easy on Sat May 30 10:41:06 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 30 10:39:29 2020. You didn't actually address the actual question, nor the intent of the question. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 30 10:41:26 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by Easy on Sat May 30 10:38:24 2020. Yes, laws can be passed mandating certain types of police training, and standards for police supervision, for example. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 30 10:42:29 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by Easy on Sat May 30 10:39:54 2020. Target was boycotted. Now they sell their own line of Pride apparel and other gear. Direct action gets results. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 30 10:44:03 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by Easy on Sat May 30 10:41:06 2020. The patrons of Stonewall did fight the police hand to hand, and hurled bricks at their oppressors. Nobody told them they could, they realized they must.How did you decide that this wasn't an answer to her question? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat May 30 10:44:31 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 30 10:37:49 2020. Yeah, that bullshit worked out really well for the good people of Baltimore who now have to go a lot further to get to their "local" pharmacy. Oh well, the point was made. My fondest hope is that the next time, it should be in your part of Philadelphia. You should stand at your front door and watch your own neighborhood burn. You local food store trashed. Your busses burnt. And you praying that they don't mistake you for one of them. But then you'll understand. Sacrifices have to be made. |
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