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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Mar 26 20:47:11 2020 https://nypost.com/2020/03/26/trump-to-rank-us-counties-by-coronavirus-risk-may-relax-social-distancing/ |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Mar 26 21:22:18 2020, in response to Trump's Restart Plan, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Mar 26 20:47:11 2020. One of the stupidest things I ever heard of. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Mar 26 21:35:07 2020, in response to Re: Trump's Restart Plan, posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Mar 26 21:22:18 2020. What he's trying to do is to change this from a national problem to a blaming the other guy. The China virus has played out. It will become the NYC or New Orleans or Seattle, etc. virus. The reason my base is in lockdown and unemployed is because of the other guy. It's not my problem. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 26 22:09:51 2020, in response to Trump's Restart Plan, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Mar 26 20:47:11 2020. Mr. Nelson needs to curtail his use of the word "but". Another one who used to work in the mainstream and now editorializes for the Never-Trump Poast . . . |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Mar 27 01:24:01 2020, in response to Re: Trump's Restart Plan, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Mar 26 21:35:07 2020. Well, it isn't going to work. Because then the low risk counties will start having high rates of new cases. They have a few seed cases there already, and they'll get more as small numbers of people (a few of them infected without knowing it) move from high risk counties to low risk counties.And the counties that are currently low risk don't have many medical facilities. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Mar 27 07:27:14 2020, in response to Re: Trump's Restart Plan, posted by AlM on Fri Mar 27 01:24:01 2020. There's no doubt that Trump's plan to restart "good" counties will result in spreading the disease, increasing the death count, etc. That's intuitively obvious to the casual observer.Trump's base are not casual observers. They believe the Covid 19 projections are a deep state plot. They believe Jerry Falwell not Anthony Fauci. Trump re-election strategy is to keep his base motivated and angry against an enemy. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Mar 27 07:51:35 2020, in response to Re: Trump's Restart Plan, posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Mar 27 07:27:14 2020. Disease does not care about calendar nor country boundaries.Trump is a mentally retarded, real estate snake oil salesman, reality show comedian, and is unteachable. Proportionately, Louisiana - a Red state, is in worse shape than NYS. Mardi Gras had a lot to do with it. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Mar 27 08:13:30 2020, in response to Trump's Restart Plan, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Mar 26 20:47:11 2020. Trump will do anything to get re-elected, even if it kills people.I'm not dying for someone else's profit margin. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Mar 27 09:00:31 2020, in response to Re: Trump's Restart Plan, posted by Joe V on Fri Mar 27 07:51:35 2020. You have to be the dumbest mother fucker on this board.Fact: Louisiana governor, John Bel Edward's is a democrat. Fact: New Orleans Mayor, Latoya Cantrell is a democrat Fact: Time to shut the fuck up you retarded incel. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Mar 27 09:04:27 2020, in response to Re: Trump's Restart Plan, posted by Train Dude on Fri Mar 27 09:00:31 2020. Fact: Trump won Louisiana in 2016, making it a red state.Fact: Time for you to shut up, you malignant narcissist. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Mar 27 09:08:24 2020, in response to Re: Trump's Restart Plan, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Mar 27 09:04:27 2020. I expected you to be the first to respond, you scrotum breathed weasel, the governor and the mayor are responsible for the leadership of the state. Nice try, though. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Mar 27 09:16:11 2020, in response to Re: Trump's Restart Plan, posted by Train Dude on Fri Mar 27 09:08:24 2020. A state's "color" (red or blue) is based on which candidate wins that state's electoral votes in the most recent presidential election.Nice try, though. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Mar 27 09:17:23 2020, in response to Re: Trump's Restart Plan, posted by Train Dude on Fri Mar 27 09:00:31 2020. Yes, and it's funny how some of these "conservative" states keep voting for Democrats; it's almost as if they aren't really conservative (another example is Kentucky) . . . |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Mar 27 09:54:34 2020, in response to Re: Trump's Restart Plan, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Mar 27 09:16:11 2020. That wasn't what our resident incel was referring to, you dishonest piece of shit. He intimated that the leadership should have cancelled the Mardi gras celebration which I agree with. However the people responsible for the decision to cancel the Mardi gras are scum laden democrats. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Mar 27 10:02:02 2020, in response to Re: Trump’s Restart Plan?, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Mar 27 09:17:23 2020. another example is KentuckyWhich keeps electing Democratic Senator Moscow Mitch McConnell. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Mar 27 10:10:57 2020, in response to Re: Trump's Restart Plan, posted by Train Dude on Fri Mar 27 09:54:34 2020. He wrote:Proportionately, Louisiana - a , is in worse shape than NYS. Mardi Gras had a lot to do with it. Whether Mardi Gras should have been cancelled, doesn't change the reality that Louisiana is, in fact, a red state. Trying to move the goalposts isn't gonna work. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Mar 27 10:14:40 2020, in response to Re: Trump's Restart Plan, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Mar 27 10:10:57 2020. You are a pathetic little troll, aren't you? |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Mar 27 10:33:04 2020, in response to Re: Trump's Restart Plan, posted by AlM on Fri Mar 27 01:24:01 2020. I tend to disagree. Remember that the purpose of people staying home has always been to “flatten the curve”. It was never to keep people home until the virus was no longer a risk. Flattening the curve allows medical facilities to keep up with demand.So if that’s the purpose, people living and working in rural counties may have never needed to shelter at all. People in rural counties tend to come into contact with far fewer people on a weekly basis than the average New Yorker would just on one morning commute. And it’s often the same few people over and over. They are comparatively already sheltered compared to big city residents. So opening up rural counties opens up 3/4 of the country, but as Spider Pig is likely to point out, maybe only 10% of the population. Not really significant. But if that same logic were applied to less populated suburban counties, suddenly half the country is reopened. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Mar 27 10:35:02 2020, in response to Re: Trump's Restart Plan, posted by Easy on Fri Mar 27 10:33:04 2020. All of these people would presumably still practice social distancing. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Mar 27 10:35:49 2020, in response to Re: Trump's Restart Plan, posted by Easy on Fri Mar 27 10:35:02 2020. When possible. Restaurants, workplaces, groceries etc would still be open. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 27 10:35:57 2020, in response to Re: Trump's Restart Plan, posted by Easy on Fri Mar 27 10:33:04 2020. Thanks for the shout out. Given my resentment of rural areas for their undue political influence, perhaps “opening up” the rural counties will show how comparatively unimportant they are economically. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Mar 27 10:42:43 2020, in response to Re: Trump's Restart Plan, posted by Easy on Fri Mar 27 10:33:04 2020. I think the rules need to be by type of activity, not by county density.Note that rural counties often don't have hospitals at all, so any serious infections that do happen are hard to treat. A restaurant in a rural county could easily hold 30 people, while a restaurant in NYC could easily be the same size. Both are good spreaders of infection. I don't see opening rural restaurants for seating any time soon as being a good idea. I've never been a fan of the really tight lockup (covering manufacturing and construction as well as everything else it covers), though maybe it is necessary in certain places and times. My thought is that construction and manufacturing generally involve interaction with the same small team day after day, and therefore aren't as risky. That applies in rural counties, suburban, and cities. Admittedly, in a city, those workers often need to take public transportation to get to work. But given that office workers are working from home, many more construction workers in the city could potentially drive to work. Maybe cities should ease parking rules so that more people can drive to work. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Mar 27 10:43:35 2020, in response to Re: Trump's Restart Plan, posted by Easy on Fri Mar 27 10:35:49 2020. Sit-down restaurants are a big risk factor, even in rural areas. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Mar 27 10:50:02 2020, in response to Trump's Restart Plan, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Mar 26 20:47:11 2020. Unfortunately I live in Crook County, and the state of Ill. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Mar 27 10:50:18 2020, in response to Re: Trump's Restart Plan, posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Mar 26 21:22:18 2020. From Trump? |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Mar 27 10:51:21 2020, in response to Re: Trump's Restart Plan, posted by Joe V on Fri Mar 27 07:51:35 2020. TDS |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Mar 27 10:53:10 2020, in response to Re: Trump's Restart Plan, posted by Train Dude on Fri Mar 27 09:00:31 2020. LMAO |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Mar 27 10:53:36 2020, in response to Re: Trump's Restart Plan, posted by Train Dude on Fri Mar 27 09:08:24 2020. iawtlp |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Mar 27 10:54:33 2020, in response to Re: Trump's Restart Plan, posted by Easy on Fri Mar 27 10:35:49 2020. iawtlp |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 27 11:11:06 2020, in response to Re: Trump's Restart Plan, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Mar 27 10:10:57 2020. Whether Louisiana is a red or blue state doesn't change the reality that Mardi Gras wasn't cancelled by its present government. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Mar 27 11:16:35 2020, in response to Re: Trump's Restart Plan, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 27 11:11:06 2020. The mayor or New Orleans blamed Trump for her not canceling Mardi Gras. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Mar 27 11:17:02 2020, in response to Re: Trump's Restart Plan, posted by Train Dude on Fri Mar 27 09:00:31 2020. I don't care what party Trump is, and he was a Democrat most of his life, and a fucking asshole since he was 5 years old.Train Dudes' incessant defense of Trumps proves he is socially, and intellectually retarded. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Mar 27 11:18:21 2020, in response to Re: Trump’s Restart Plan?, posted by AlM on Fri Mar 27 10:02:02 2020. And qauck doctor Rand Paul as the other Senator. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Mar 27 11:20:48 2020, in response to Re: Trump's Restart Plan, posted by AlM on Fri Mar 27 10:43:35 2020. Not necessarily. I’d say that most people sit with the same people that they live with and that’s not an issue. The rest usually sit with friends or coworkers. That should be discouraged but I don’t know how big a deal that would be for rural residents. The idea is to limit the number of people that you come in contact with. They already do that. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 27 11:21:57 2020, in response to Re: Trump's Restart Plan, posted by Easy on Fri Mar 27 11:16:35 2020. TDS |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 27 11:22:40 2020, in response to Re: Trump's Restart Plan, posted by Joe V on Fri Mar 27 11:17:02 2020. No, it proves no such thing. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 27 11:23:23 2020, in response to Re: Trump's Restart Plan, posted by Easy on Fri Mar 27 11:20:48 2020. But the 2m distance necessary doesn't work if you come within 2 meters of the other patrons, plus the wait staff walking around. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Mar 27 11:24:04 2020, in response to Re: Trump's Restart Plan, posted by Train Dude on Fri Mar 27 09:00:31 2020. Furtermore TrainDude, you fucking mental retard, and God's mistake, we were talking about Trump's perverted ideas of diseases not crossing boundaries, and he everything he said at his press conference was proven 100% WRONG by the doctors that followed him.You are at best a human subway car, nothing more, nothing less. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Mar 27 11:24:49 2020, in response to Re: Trump's Restart Plan, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 27 11:11:06 2020. The whole discussion of Mardi Gras being the "fault" of infections is moronic. Ash Wednesday was 2/26/2020. Anyone who got infected during Mardi Gras would have been well or hospitalized by roughly 3/18/2020.Neither President Trump nor any governor was calling for suspension of group activities as of 2/26. Sports events weren't canceled for another 2 weeks. The way Mardi Gras affects current infection rates in LA is that the relatively small number of people who got sick at Mardi Gras spread the disease to the next, much larger, group of people. The way this could have been avoided is to have lockdowns in early March. but again, neither President Trump nor any governor was calling for that. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Mar 27 11:25:50 2020, in response to Re: Trump's Restart Plan, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 27 11:22:40 2020. Got any other explanation for his behavior ? |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Mar 27 11:30:40 2020, in response to Re: Trump's Restart Plan, posted by Easy on Fri Mar 27 11:20:48 2020. How do you think covid-19 is spreading in NYC? It's not only the subway, which has been pretty empty since about 3/13.It's groups of people who don't spend time with each other. If you couldn't catch covid-19 from the guy at the next table, it wouldn't be such a threat. A restaurant room is at least as crowded as an uncrowded subway car. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Mar 27 11:30:41 2020, in response to Re: Trump's Restart Plan, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 27 11:23:23 2020. I suspect that restaurants won’t be very crowded during this crisis. They could also do things with seating to make it work. My assumption is that the 2m is a rule of thumb to generally protect you from most body fluids from coughs and sneezes. It’s not a safe zone. Some could sneeze from 3 or 4 meters and you still get infected.My point is that it’s not a crazy idea to me based on what we’ve been told. It would be interesting to hear what the experts say. Maybe I’m way off base but I haven’t heard of any lightly populated areas being overwhelmed. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 27 11:38:51 2020, in response to Re: Trump's Restart Plan, posted by AlM on Fri Mar 27 11:24:49 2020. I'm not thinking of the timeline, I'm just responding to the fallacious reasoning. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 27 11:39:30 2020, in response to Re: Trump's Restart Plan, posted by Joe V on Fri Mar 27 11:25:50 2020. He's a conservative who loves Trump's policies. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Mar 27 11:57:16 2020, in response to Re: Trump's Restart Plan, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 27 11:39:30 2020. I'm a conservative who loved Trump's policies too. But now when the shit hit the fan I feel he's a failure. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Mar 27 11:58:36 2020, in response to Re: Trump's Restart Plan, posted by Joe V on Fri Mar 27 11:24:04 2020. No, Joey. You were speaking of the leadership in Louisiana and their failures to control the spread of the Corona Virus. You specifically mentioned Mardi Gras. I am only pointing out that while you call Louisiana a "red" state, the two people responsible for allowing the Mardi Gras to go on were both democrats. Now that begs a much larger question. which is more indicative? The politics of the Governor and mayor NOW or who the people of the state voted for in a national election over 3 years ago? Seems to me, Joey you got the retard thing right but the person wrong. "Ask not as to whom the title fits, It fits on thee!" |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Mar 27 11:59:32 2020, in response to Re: Trump's Restart Plan, posted by Easy on Fri Mar 27 11:16:35 2020. LOL |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Mar 27 11:59:56 2020, in response to Re: Trump's Restart Plan, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 27 11:11:06 2020. Exactly! Thank you |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Mar 27 12:06:41 2020, in response to Re: Trump's Restart Plan, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Mar 27 10:50:18 2020. Yes |
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Posted by Kevin from Midwood on Fri Mar 27 12:17:56 2020, in response to Re: Trump's Restart Plan, posted by AlM on Fri Mar 27 11:24:49 2020. Neither President Trump nor any governor was calling for suspension of group activities as of 2/26. Sports events weren't canceled for another 2 weeks.Mobile World Congress, which attracts many exhibitors from China and was originally scheduled to take place in Barcelona 2/24–2/27, was canceled on 2/12. Large companies like Intel, Facebook, and Cisco had pulled out beforehand. Facebook canceled its F8 developer conference (San Jose, early May) on 2/27. That's about when the tide turned and I saw more and more calls for SXSW to be canceled. The City of Austin dragged its feet until 3/6. |
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