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Posted by Mitch45 on Fri Jan 17 13:36:33 2020, in response to Germany rounds up refugees, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Jan 17 13:09:01 2020. I don't want to hear about Obama. The guy was like a dandelion, all looks and no substance. Worst President since Carter. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 17 13:40:09 2020, in response to Re: Germany rounds up refugees, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Jan 17 13:36:33 2020. LOL! It’s like the word ceased to exist for you on 1/20/17. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Jan 17 13:55:29 2020, in response to Re: Germany rounds up refugees, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 17 13:40:09 2020. "the word"Okey Nancy. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 17 15:20:02 2020, in response to Re: Germany rounds up refugees, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Jan 17 13:55:29 2020. And that's the word. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Jan 17 20:27:31 2020, in response to Re: Germany rounds up refugees, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 17 13:40:09 2020. He was a terrible president.And he brought Trump for those that think he was great. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 17 20:28:46 2020, in response to Re: Germany rounds up refugees, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Jan 17 20:27:31 2020. He was hardly terrible. Easily the best president of my life. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Jan 17 20:37:48 2020, in response to Re: Germany rounds up refugees, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 17 20:28:46 2020. Hardly. Only Carter was worse. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 17 21:06:43 2020, in response to Re: Germany rounds up refugees, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Jan 17 20:37:48 2020. 1. Barack Obama2. Bill Clinton 3. George H.W. Bush 4. Ronald Reagan 5. George W. Bush 6. Donald Trump |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Jan 17 23:25:49 2020, in response to Re: Germany rounds up refugees, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 17 21:06:43 2020. Nope.Roanald Reagan Bush I Bush II Trump Clinton Obama Carter I was too young to remember Ford much |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 17 23:47:45 2020, in response to Re: Germany rounds up refugees, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Jan 17 23:25:49 2020. Figures. And you called yourself moderate before you became a Trump-lover. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sat Jan 18 08:51:10 2020, in response to Re: Germany rounds up refugees, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 17 21:06:43 2020. I might flip Obama and Clinton, otherwise IAWTP. Of course, I lived other more Presidents than you (Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter), but I don't feel like ranking them (I was too young to remember Ike and JFK and early LBJ). |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Sat Jan 18 09:04:36 2020, in response to Re: Germany rounds up refugees, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Jan 17 20:27:31 2020. Trump just brought about the people who could latch to a person who said all the shit they were to scared to say out loud because they would be seen as weird and out of touch.Trump is the boomers generation last gasp of breath. Conservatism died. Reganism died. A hypocritical president for an embarrassment of a generation. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Jan 18 10:21:49 2020, in response to Re: Germany rounds up refugees, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sat Jan 18 08:51:10 2020. In my opinion Truman was the best in the 20th-21st centuries. Roosevelt was next (Teddy, not FDR) |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Jan 18 10:24:50 2020, in response to Re: Germany rounds up refugees, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Jan 17 20:37:48 2020. No he wasn't. I'd take Carter over Obama any day. But then I don't have the negative opinions of Carter's Presidency that most people have. I even voted for him over Reagan. My negative opinions of him are based after his presidency. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 18 12:06:01 2020, in response to Re: Germany rounds up refugees, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sat Jan 18 08:51:10 2020. I could rank every president if I wanted to, so I’ll rank the presidents of my paternal grandmother’s lifetime:1. Harry S. Truman 2. Franklin D. Roosevelt 3. Dwight D. Eisenhower 4. John F. Kennedy 5. Lyndon B. Johnson 6. Barack Obama 7. Bill Clinton 8. Richard Nixon 9. George H. W. Bush 10. Ronald Reagan 11. Calvin Coolidge 12. George W. Bush 13. Gerald Ford 14. Jimmy Carter 15. Herbert Hoover 16. Warren Harding 17. Donald Trump NOTE: She missed Woodrow Wilson by several months. Since it’s obvious I’m ranking Trump in the 40s, the presidents I would actually rank lower are John Tyler, Zachary Taylor, Millard Fillmore, Franklin Pierce, James Buchanan, and Andrew Johnson. |
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Posted by Mtk52983 on Sat Jan 18 12:32:16 2020, in response to Re: Germany rounds up refugees, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 18 12:06:01 2020. You have Obama too high and George W. Bush and Gerald Ford too low IMHO. Bush's downfall, and this is also just my opinion, was that he didn't realize until too late what Dick Cheney was trying to do. I think the economy would have rebounded sooner had Bush realized earlier. Once he disengaged from that group progress was being made. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 18 12:43:43 2020, in response to Re: Germany rounds up refugees, posted by Mtk52983 on Sat Jan 18 12:32:16 2020. It doesn’t matter. He was the president, not Cheney. If he let Cheney govern, that’s on him. “The buck stops here.” |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Jan 18 12:44:59 2020, in response to Re: Germany rounds up refugees, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 18 12:06:01 2020. Why would you rank Taylor below Trump? |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jan 18 12:51:06 2020, in response to Re: Germany rounds up refugees, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 17 23:47:45 2020. Ideas change. The list changes as you learn |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 18 19:35:33 2020, in response to Re: Germany rounds up refugees, posted by AlM on Sat Jan 18 12:44:59 2020. I forgot Rutherford B. Hayes. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 18 19:36:53 2020, in response to Re: Germany rounds up refugees, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jan 18 12:51:06 2020. Yes, I used to rank Reagan more highly. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Jan 18 19:53:16 2020, in response to Re: Germany rounds up refugees, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Jan 18 10:24:50 2020. If Carter would have able to pull off the rescue of those Iranian held hostages, he'd have been cannonized, reelected & Reagan would have been sent to obscurity a has been actor & has been politician.But it wasn't meant to be. Carter rolled the dice...and lost. I'd give him credit for that at least. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Jan 18 20:26:38 2020, in response to Re: Germany rounds up refugees, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 18 19:35:33 2020. Founder of the civil service? Surely not below Trump. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 18 20:35:50 2020, in response to Re: Germany rounds up refugees, posted by AlM on Sat Jan 18 20:26:38 2020. You’re confusing him with Chester A. Arthur. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Jan 18 21:55:56 2020, in response to Re: Germany rounds up refugees, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 18 12:06:01 2020. FDR's internment camps should carry more of a penalty than to put him at #2. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 18 22:22:23 2020, in response to Re: Germany rounds up refugees, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Jan 18 21:55:56 2020. You know, you're right. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Jan 18 23:07:03 2020, in response to Re: Germany rounds up refugees, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Jan 18 21:55:56 2020. And not wanting to bomb the German trains leading to the death camps and and the MS Saint Louis. I'm also convinced his death and Truman's presidency definitely helped Israel's road to statehood. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Jan 19 03:39:05 2020, in response to Re: Germany rounds up refugees, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 18 20:35:50 2020. Darn. You're right.But still, what makes him so bad in your mind? |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Jan 19 04:51:27 2020, in response to Re: Germany rounds up refugees, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Jan 18 10:24:50 2020. Carter is a really good man (I even met him in the 90s), but a terrible president |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Jan 19 04:54:00 2020, in response to Re: Germany rounds up refugees, posted by ClearAspect on Sat Jan 18 09:04:36 2020. The horrible boomer generation brought us obama |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Jan 19 04:56:01 2020, in response to Re: Germany rounds up refugees, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Jan 19 04:54:00 2020. ....the unhinged bingbong types |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Sun Jan 19 07:36:23 2020, in response to Re: Germany rounds up refugees, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Jan 19 04:51:27 2020. He may be a nice person one on one, but a good man does not stab our allies in the back like Carter has done throughout his life with a Israel. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sun Jan 19 07:42:42 2020, in response to Re: Germany rounds up refugees, posted by ClearAspect on Sat Jan 18 09:04:36 2020. it used to be, the upcoming generation was smarter than the previous generation. learning from their mistakes, etc.this time around though, it's the reverse. the upcoming generation is stupider than the previous generation. which is pathetic. especially when you consider that in this case the previous generation "only" had libraries as their prime source of information along with TV and radio. it's like, the previous generation created an entirely new way to gather, store and examine information and said here ya go. take these new tools and fly! and the upcoming generation basically said no, all these new tools you've given us only show how stupid you old fucks were. and all we're mainly gonna do is continue to tell youse how stupid you were. dumbest generation ever, this upcoming generation. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Jan 19 07:53:12 2020, in response to Re: Germany rounds up refugees, posted by mtk52983 on Sun Jan 19 07:36:23 2020. So you are judging Carter's presidency by his actions after he was no longer President? |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Sun Jan 19 08:16:59 2020, in response to Re: Germany rounds up refugees, posted by AlM on Sun Jan 19 07:53:12 2020. He did it when he was President too. At the urging of his anti-Semitic National Security Advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski, he forced Israel to cede land that it successfully gained after repelling armed invasion. It would be like saying the United States would have to cede much of its western portion to Mexico. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Jan 19 08:42:35 2020, in response to Re: Germany rounds up refugees, posted by ntrainride on Sun Jan 19 07:42:42 2020. I think you mean our Generation X generation giving the Millennials the tools. But "Upcoming Generation"? The Millennials are not "upcoming", they are full force. The one after them is the "upcoming one", you may be thinking 10 years in the past.I still feel the baby boomers were/are the worst. Total squanderers. But it's probably the silent generation that is to blame as they gave us the boomers. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Jan 19 08:45:39 2020, in response to Re: Germany rounds up refugees, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Jan 19 08:42:35 2020. "Greatest" Generation and silent generation gave us the boomers |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sun Jan 19 09:07:57 2020, in response to Re: Germany rounds up refugees, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Jan 19 08:42:35 2020. the children of today's whatever-you-wanna-call-'em generation will make them regret many many things. gonna be hell to pay before they put them out to pasture. for one thing, there's gonna be a planet-load of anger at how "today's generation" put their formulative years on display so that everybody could see all their embarrassing moments as they grew up. that's a major major fuck up.and they'll see pics and vids of old fashioned brick and mortar retailing, busy streets and curse "today's generation" for ruining all that because of their fascination with groovy walkie-talkies. i predict mass movements towards killing their "elders"...you know, "today's generation"... as they sleep. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jan 19 10:44:14 2020, in response to Re: Germany rounds up refugees, posted by AlM on Sun Jan 19 03:39:05 2020. His election ended Reconstruction. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jan 19 11:30:55 2020, in response to Re: Germany rounds up refugees, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Jan 19 04:51:27 2020. Is he a good man? Then he should have made a good president. People who talk nicely are not necessarily good. But no; he was the same back then as he is now, just more open about it. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Sun Jan 19 12:13:21 2020, in response to Re: Germany rounds up refugees, posted by ntrainride on Sun Jan 19 09:07:57 2020. LOLOLOLOL |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sun Jan 19 21:51:19 2020, in response to Re: Germany rounds up refugees, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Jan 18 23:07:03 2020. re: And not wanting to bomb the German trains leading to the death campsAll the allies seemed to step back on this issue and not give a damn. - didn't the USAF say their planes could not reach these destinations in Poland and Eastern Europe, but it has been researched that this was indeed possible?* A year or two back, I read the book about Churchill's writing his six vol. Second World War work ("Fighting the Second World War" IIRC by David Reynolds) - . Reynolds stated in his book, that Churchill included little or no material on the death camps in his books, since, though he did discuss the camps with Allied command after receiving info. about them through resistance networks; objections as above were brought forward, and Churchill dragged his feet, and didn't push the issue further. *"Auschwitz and the Allies" published during the early 1980s. There have been other books out since then which covered this subject, though I do not remember their titles. --- interestingly, I found a German paperback volume in Harvard's main library (back when I lived in Boston) the title roughly translated as 'Why wasn't Auschwitz bombed?" |
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