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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 09:40:52 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 09:37:55 2019. FALSE! Retracted. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Jul 22 09:40:53 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by AlM on Mon Jul 22 09:28:18 2019. Do you know how to read? |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Jul 22 09:41:22 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 09:37:55 2019. What was by court order? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 09:43:20 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Jul 22 09:41:22 2019. The drawing of that district. But it was also for partisan advantage. REPUBLICAN partisan advantage. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Mon Jul 22 09:49:26 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Jul 22 09:40:53 2019. You are so gullible!Wisconsin, Ohio, Texas, Michigan, Georgia, North Carolina, Virginia, Pennsylvania until the state courts intervened. Vs. Maryland. That is 8 states gerrymandered in favor of "Republicans" versus 1 for Democrats. Districts surrounding Chicago don't surprise me because rather than having two districts that are part Chicago and part suburb by doing what they do with Chicago's 4th District they can pack Chicago into one district and the surrounding suburbs into a separate district. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Jul 22 09:49:47 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 09:43:20 2019. Where do I live? I'll give you a hint, it's Chicago. That district was drawn to maximize the number of Hispanics to ensure an Hispanic is elected. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Jul 22 09:51:57 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Jul 22 09:49:26 2019. Gerrymandering is wrong. Districts should be drawn bases on population, not socioeconomic or race or political affiliations. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 09:53:41 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Jul 22 09:49:47 2019. Given who supported this, it was obviously drawn to pack as many Hispanics into a single district in order to keep them out of suburban districts who could then elect a Republican. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 09:55:27 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 09:53:41 2019. BUMP. This was not a double post |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 09:56:14 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Jul 22 09:51:57 2019. IAWTP.I think single-member districts should be abolished entirely. It's the only way to ensure fair representation. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Jul 22 10:01:06 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 09:53:41 2019. I live here, I know what's going on. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Jul 22 10:02:39 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 09:56:14 2019. "single-member districts" Explain that please. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 10:15:49 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Jul 22 10:01:06 2019. But you didn't know about the Republicans' involvement and that of child rapist Hastert. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 10:16:37 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Jul 22 10:02:39 2019. That’s what we have now. Where the state is divided into a number of districts of equal population, all of which elect exactly one legislator. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jul 22 10:20:10 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by bingbong on Mon Jul 22 08:49:20 2019. Let's go out with a bang! A bingbang, if you will... |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Mon Jul 22 10:24:06 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 10:16:37 2019. I don't want that because it will lead to overrepresentation of areas and some areas won't have any. In a state like New York, everybody would be from New York City even though New York City makes up less than half the state by number. What I could see doing is that each party puts up a slate of candidates with a requirement that one has to come from each district. After that, the Congressional seats are apportioned based on the percentage a party receives in the general election (if a State has 20 seats and the result is 55-45 then the delegation will be split the first 11 from the winning party's list and the first 9 from the losing party's list). Especially in large states, this would give third parties a legit shot at winning a seat or two. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 10:33:07 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Jul 22 10:24:06 2019. No, it wouldn't. With proportional representation, 40% of the state's voters elect 40% of the representatives.There should be no geographic requirements whatsoever. Just because I live somewhere doesn't mean I agree with my neighbors. I should be able to vote together with like-minded people across the state and have my vote count. I agree with the latter part of your post. That's called "proportional representation". |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Jul 22 10:41:03 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 10:15:49 2019. What that evil Hastert did, happened years after that district was redrawn. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Jul 22 10:41:59 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 10:33:07 2019. I think mtk was rejecting at-large representation, which is an abomination. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Mon Jul 22 10:43:26 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 10:33:07 2019. Your initial post did not mention "proportional representation" only the elimination of single-member districts. I would be against elimination if the result was winner take all. I like the geographic diversity better because the current system does provide for a relatively local congressional office. Using New York as an example again, if both major parties chose entire slates from the "downstate" region, who would the person in North Tonawanda contact? |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Mon Jul 22 10:43:26 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 10:33:07 2019. Your initial post did not mention "proportional representation" only the elimination of single-member districts. I would be against elimination if the result was winner take all. I like the geographic diversity better because the current system does provide for a relatively local congressional office. Using New York as an example again, if both major parties chose entire slates from the "downstate" region, who would the person in North Tonawanda contact? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 10:44:38 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by AlM on Mon Jul 22 10:41:59 2019. What do you mean? Are you talking about like where you are asked to "Vote for any (e.g.) 5" and then the top (e.g.) 5 are elected? I agree that it is an abomination. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 10:55:47 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Jul 22 10:43:26 2019. North Tonawanda is insufficiently populous to get a Congressional Representative. If Western New York citizens are miffed by a slate of candidates entirely from downstate, they can vote for a third party with WNY reps or even form their own.With "below the line" voting, they can even split their votes between their preferred party, and just the candidates they want from another party. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Jul 22 10:57:02 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Jul 22 10:43:26 2019. Why would both parties choose slates entirely from downstate?(See Kathy Hochul.) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 10:57:17 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Jul 22 10:43:26 2019. North Tonawanda is insufficiently populous to get a Congressional Representative. If Western New York citizens are miffed by a slate of candidates entirely from downstate, they can vote for a third party with WNY reps or even form their own.With "below the line" voting, they can even split their votes between their preferred party, and just the candidates they want from another party. But my opinion is that local issues do not belong in the House of Representatives. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 10:59:11 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by AlM on Mon Jul 22 10:57:02 2019. Parties do stupid things all the time. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Jul 22 11:01:10 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 10:44:38 2019. Yes. That is "at large." It's been used as a very effective tool for keeping minorities out of legislative bodies. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 11:22:29 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by AlM on Mon Jul 22 11:01:10 2019. I know. I remember seeing court cases striking down such schemes. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jul 22 11:54:53 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by AlM on Mon Jul 22 11:01:10 2019. Stop with the conspiracy theories, Almex Jones! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 11:58:15 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jul 22 11:54:53 2019. WTF?Rogers v. Lodge, 458 U.S. 613 (1982). |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jul 22 12:15:12 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 11:58:15 2019. I had to debut the nickname! |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Jul 22 12:16:21 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jul 22 10:20:10 2019. Tell me your kids, who are only about to really begin their lives, agree with that twisted response.I'm nowhere near beginning, yet I think trump has been absolutely insane WRT this issue. Renegotiations and refinement were never pursued, he just stupidly threw the baby out with the bath water, and now the drain's clogged. Nobody gave him permission to blow us all up. Certainly the American voters didn't..... |
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