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Posted by Dave on Mon Jul 22 01:55:58 2019 "Trump could win while losing the national vote by as much as five percentage points." And before our resident Fool screams "Fox" like a little girl, here is the NY Times article Liz Peek is referring to: Trump’s Electoral College Edge Could Grow in 2020, Rewarding Polarizing Campaign |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 04:03:08 2019, in response to If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by Dave on Mon Jul 22 01:55:58 2019. And people still pretend the Electoral College is good. |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Jul 22 04:44:41 2019, in response to If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by Dave on Mon Jul 22 01:55:58 2019. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Jul 22 05:31:02 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Jul 22 04:44:41 2019. Another intelligent response from Salaam. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Jul 22 05:35:20 2019, in response to If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by Dave on Mon Jul 22 01:55:58 2019. Many people's heads would explode. That would be a seriously undemocratic outcome. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 05:38:19 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by AlM on Mon Jul 22 05:35:20 2019. It would justify secession. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Mon Jul 22 05:38:45 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 04:03:08 2019. It's worked well for over 200 years. Suddenly, you don't get the result that you want and you want to scrap the entire system. Very mature. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 05:39:33 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Mon Jul 22 05:38:45 2019. Except that it did not work well AT ALL!And an appeal to tradition won't work on me. Tradition is an extremely poor reason to stick with anything. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Mon Jul 22 05:39:53 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by AlM on Mon Jul 22 05:35:20 2019. Hopefully lots of liberal heads. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Jul 22 05:41:49 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Mon Jul 22 05:38:45 2019. iawtlp |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 05:42:41 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Jul 22 05:41:49 2019. Of course you do. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 05:43:18 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Mon Jul 22 05:39:53 2019. Of course you would want an undemocratic government so long as you get the dictator you want. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Mon Jul 22 05:43:36 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 05:39:33 2019. It's less about tradition and more about the Constitution. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Mon Jul 22 05:44:07 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 05:42:41 2019. Because it's reasonable |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 05:44:18 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Mon Jul 22 05:43:36 2019. The Constitution has been amended 27 times. It needs to be amended again. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Mon Jul 22 05:46:47 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 05:43:18 2019. It wasn't my dictator who proclaimed that he had his pen and his phone. But I guess that you got the dictator that you wanted, back then. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 05:47:35 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Mon Jul 22 05:46:47 2019. Hardly dictatorial. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Mon Jul 22 05:49:40 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 05:44:18 2019. It does need to be amended again. We need term limits for Congress members more than we need to eliminate the electoral college. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Mon Jul 22 05:51:56 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 05:47:35 2019. Oh really. Congress never would have approved the Iran treaty that obama entered into. He just skipped that step. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Mon Jul 22 05:52:02 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 05:47:35 2019. Oh really. Congress never would have approved the Iran treaty that obama entered into. He just skipped that step. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Mon Jul 22 05:52:38 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 05:47:35 2019. Oh really. Congress never would have approved the Iran treaty that obama entered into. He just skipped that step. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Jul 22 05:53:24 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 05:42:41 2019. You're supposed to say "figures". |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Mon Jul 22 05:53:25 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Mon Jul 22 05:52:38 2019. Sorry about multiple posts |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 05:59:16 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Mon Jul 22 05:49:40 2019. We need to eliminate the Electoral College more than we need term limits, even if we do need them. |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Jul 22 06:00:54 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Jul 22 05:31:02 2019. WTF |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Mon Jul 22 06:09:25 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 05:59:16 2019. I totally disagree with you as I'm sure most Americans would. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 06:13:44 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Mon Jul 22 06:09:25 2019. FALSE! |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Mon Jul 22 06:45:48 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 06:13:44 2019. Wow. I had no idea. I wonder how many were surveyed and where. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 06:53:58 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Mon Jul 22 06:45:48 2019. Here's another poll.Face facts, the Electoral College is unpopular among Americans, unless it helps keep your preferred minority in power. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Mon Jul 22 07:11:55 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 06:53:58 2019. If this is the case, then let an amendment be put up for a vote by the American people. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 07:12:54 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Mon Jul 22 07:11:55 2019. That's not how amendments are adopted, but I agree that Article V ought to be followed. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Mon Jul 22 07:17:08 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 07:12:54 2019. It's interesting that you want a popular vote for president but are okay with the house and not a popular vote deciding changes to the Constitution. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Mon Jul 22 07:22:21 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Mon Jul 22 07:17:08 2019. Because the Constitution has an Amendment process. It does not provide for popular vote of Amendments. It has to come from 2/3 of both houses of Congress or 2/3 of states can call for a convention for proposing amendments. It must then be ratified by 3/4 of the states. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 07:26:58 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Mon Jul 22 07:17:08 2019. Yes, I am in favor of a popular vote for electing officials but not for enacting amendments.And it's not "The House." It's also the Senate and 38 state legislatures. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Jul 22 07:30:03 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 07:26:58 2019. Hopefully 41 soon! :) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 07:48:39 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by AlM on Mon Jul 22 07:30:03 2019. What 4 states do you want to see admitted? |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Jul 22 07:50:31 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 06:53:58 2019. I doubt most of those folks they polled know what the electoral college is in first place.Never mind the checks and balances it provides. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Jul 22 07:54:50 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 07:48:39 2019. DC, PR, USVI, Micronesia (Guam plus Samoa).I'm willing to be generous and not have CA split into 5 blue states and 1 red state, though that would be a lovely exercise in gerrymandering. (I oppose gerrymandering even if it might help Democrats.) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 08:02:44 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by AlM on Mon Jul 22 07:54:50 2019. I support gerrymandering for the benefit of Democrats if it is to fight fire with fire.I support USVI and Marianan statehood because it's about fucking time we realize how ridiculous it is for every state to have two senators. |
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Posted by Dave on Mon Jul 22 08:37:16 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 08:02:44 2019. LOL! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 08:46:57 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by Dave on Mon Jul 22 08:37:16 2019. Thanks. |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Jul 22 08:49:20 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Mon Jul 22 05:52:38 2019. Is being on the brink of global warfare as we find ourselves now an improvement? If you think yes, elaborate. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jul 22 08:53:33 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by AlM on Mon Jul 22 07:54:50 2019. I agree with those four states, plus the the Midway and Wake archipelagoes. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 09:16:50 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jul 22 08:53:33 2019. I don't agree with combining Samoa and the Marianas. Samoa can be a fifth state! |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Jul 22 09:23:11 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 08:02:44 2019. Really? I thought it was the Dems that do most of the gerrymandering. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 09:24:44 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Jul 22 09:23:11 2019. LOL!It's funny because that's pure propaganda. Most gerrymandering is by the Trump Party, because they control most states. The only notable exception is Maryland. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Jul 22 09:28:18 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Jul 22 09:23:11 2019. You are so gullible!Wisconsin, Ohio, Texas, Michigan, Georgia, North Carolina, Virginia, Pennsylvania until the state courts intervened. Vs. Maryland. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Jul 22 09:35:25 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 09:24:44 2019. Tell me this not gerrymandering. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 09:37:55 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Jul 22 09:35:25 2019. It's not partisan gerrymandering and it was by court order, not for partisan advantage. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 09:40:24 2019, in response to Re: If this happened, Bingbong's head would explode, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Jul 22 09:35:25 2019. Thanks for brining this to my attention. It's another Republican gerrymander, this one engineered by a child rapist:Congressman Dennis Hastert, a suburban Republican, filed a federal lawsuit claiming that the existing congressional map was unconstitutional;[11] the present congressional district boundaries emerged as a result of that lawsuit. A three-judge panel of the federal district court adopted the map proposed by Hastert and other Republican members of the Illinois Congressional delegation.[12] Subsequent lawsuits challenging the redistricting as racially biased[13] did not succeed in redrawing the district boundaries.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinois's_4th_congressional_district |
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