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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Thu Jul 11 19:14:00 2019 AOC suggests that Nancy pelosi is disrespectful to women of color. Are we to believe that Nancy pelosi is racist?Pulling up a chair and opening a beer. The show is about to start. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Jul 12 00:26:15 2019, in response to Democratic Food Fight, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Thu Jul 11 19:14:00 2019. They truly eat their own. And THIS is why Donny Boy will once again waltz into the White House. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Fri Jul 12 02:29:08 2019, in response to Democratic Food Fight, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Thu Jul 11 19:14:00 2019. AOC needs to sit down and shut up. She won a District where the Democratic Primary is the actual election. The Democrats had a chance at a sustainable majority in the House. AOC and her ilk are ruining that. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jul 12 04:35:51 2019, in response to Re: Democratic Food Fight, posted by mtk52983 on Fri Jul 12 02:29:08 2019. Actually, it is probably good for Democrats if AOC is seen as being more radical than Pelosi and having almost no support.She can play the role that Henry Wallace played for Truman in 1948 - make the Democratic candidate look safe because the fringe isn't included. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri Jul 12 04:55:51 2019, in response to Re: Democratic Food Fight, posted by mtk52983 on Fri Jul 12 02:29:08 2019. IAWTP |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Fri Jul 12 05:13:56 2019, in response to Re: Democratic Food Fight, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Jul 12 00:26:15 2019. That's pretty much a foregone conclusion. I'm now looking at taking the gavel back from pelosi and maybe even a few more Senate seats. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Jul 12 05:20:13 2019, in response to Re: Democratic Food Fight, posted by AlM on Fri Jul 12 04:35:51 2019. Only if you think that moderate democrats are still the soul of the party. Correct me if I'm wrong because I don't keep up like you but aren't nearly all of the Democratic candidates campaigning on an AOC style platform? The leading candidate - Biden - is the big exception. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Fri Jul 12 05:23:15 2019, in response to Re: Democratic Food Fight, posted by Easy on Fri Jul 12 05:20:13 2019. Excellent point although even Biden has done a 180 on critical issues to curry favor with the party faithful. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jul 12 05:29:08 2019, in response to Re: Democratic Food Fight, posted by Easy on Fri Jul 12 05:20:13 2019. Sanders is close to AOC, but his chances are diminishing.I agree that Warren is quite radical, though nowhere near AOC levels. Her chances in the general could be hurt by AOC mouthing off. Harris and Buttigieg are generally trying to avoid any really radical positions, though Harris has made a few flubs that makes it unclear what her position is on some issues. I'm sure she can make herself clear if she becomes the front runner. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Jul 12 05:46:03 2019, in response to Re: Democratic Food Fight, posted by AlM on Fri Jul 12 05:29:08 2019. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/29/us/politics/democratic-debates-immigration.htmlIt seems that all of the candidates of note, with the exception of Biden, are campaigning closer to AOC, than to the way that Obama governed (as opposed to the way that he campaigned). But I mostly only read the headlines and a couple paragraphs so I could be off. I don't think that Biden can win as the race drags on. I think that he's seen as out of touch by many. Out of the rest, only warren and sanders have a shot. I think that it's Warren and I do think that she can beat trump based on the little I know about her. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jul 12 05:51:12 2019, in response to Re: Democratic Food Fight, posted by Easy on Fri Jul 12 05:46:03 2019. Why don't you think Harris has a chance? |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Jul 12 06:00:48 2019, in response to Re: Democratic Food Fight, posted by AlM on Fri Jul 12 05:51:12 2019. She has a chance, but I'd put her in the second tier. I think that she's going to be hurt by being a former prosecutor who enforced all the laws that most Democrats don't like now. That's just what I've read. My personal opinion from watching her is that she lacks a vision of purpose for being in the race. She doesn't seem to stand for anything. She's the blah candidate.The top candidate with the worst odds imo is Buttigieg. South Bend isn't doing well according to most poor residents and they are more than willing to share their low opinions of him. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Fri Jul 12 06:12:58 2019, in response to Re: Democratic Food Fight, posted by Easy on Fri Jul 12 06:00:48 2019. What makes a mayor, widely disliked in his own city, believe that he can earn national support? |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Jul 12 06:22:45 2019, in response to Re: Democratic Food Fight, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Fri Jul 12 06:12:58 2019. I wonder if many candidates don't have a narcissism related personality disorder. I pretty much think that no regular person would subject themselves to what our elections have become.LA's mayor was smart enough to see the writing on the wall. NYC's mayor sees something in himself that many NYers must not. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Jul 12 06:37:28 2019, in response to Democratic Food Fight, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Thu Jul 11 19:14:00 2019. Lol, it's what they do best. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Fri Jul 12 06:37:42 2019, in response to Re: Democratic Food Fight, posted by Easy on Fri Jul 12 06:22:45 2019. Yes and it was DiBlasio that I was specifically referring to. While most South Bend blacks apparently dislike Buttigieg, there is a more broad dislike for New York's executive. Frankly, the only explanation to his reelection is that New Yorkers are voting for a party and not a candidate.That said, your assessment about narcissistism appears to be dead on. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Fri Jul 12 06:37:57 2019, in response to Re: Democratic Food Fight, posted by Easy on Fri Jul 12 05:46:03 2019. I don't think Warren can beat Trump. I think Harris has a better shot, but it is far from definite. With how large the field is for the Democrats I can understand not wanting to completely position yourself on issues or come out with policy ideas because it then becomes fodder for your opponents in the primary. If they shoot the policy ideas down and you end up winning the primary then they have done all of the heavy lifting for Trump in the general. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Fri Jul 12 06:40:25 2019, in response to Re: Democratic Food Fight, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Fri Jul 12 06:37:42 2019. You also had a weak Republican in a year that the Democrats were pushing hard to take back the New York Senate. Even though NYC was a foregone conclusion for the Senate, you had a lot of voters who wanted to show strong Democratic majorities for safe seats. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Jul 12 06:43:59 2019, in response to Re: Democratic Food Fight, posted by mtk52983 on Fri Jul 12 06:37:57 2019. I agree that she's intentionally running a safe campaign, but I disagree that it's beneficial at this stage. This is when you need to motivate and develop a national base and you don't do that by being a face in the crowd. She's struggled to define her position with what should be easy questions in debates.That said, it's still early and I could be way off. At this stage in the election I would have sad that neither Obama nor Bill Clinton had a chance. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Jul 12 06:44:03 2019, in response to Re: Democratic Food Fight, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Jul 12 00:26:15 2019. It's all they do. Rip everyone apart, including their own. |
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Posted by Dave on Fri Jul 12 06:45:01 2019, in response to Re: Democratic Food Fight, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Fri Jul 12 06:12:58 2019. Same argument also applies to de Blasio. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri Jul 12 06:54:17 2019, in response to Re: Democratic Food Fight, posted by mtk52983 on Fri Jul 12 02:29:08 2019. IMO, AOC is acting as a bellweather for the Democrats' base. Despite her lack of congressional support, she has support from Democrats who want real change, since she and her cohorts are offering that. Pelosi and Schumer are politically powerful, but they aren't offering a whole lot. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 12 06:58:08 2019, in response to Re: Democratic Food Fight, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Fri Jul 12 06:37:42 2019. No, the explanation is the lesser of two evils, like all elections. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jul 12 07:24:45 2019, in response to Re: Democratic Food Fight, posted by Easy on Fri Jul 12 06:00:48 2019. She has a chance, but I'd put her in the second tier.I put her higher than her polls are right now because large numbers of Democrats consider Sanders and Warren too radical to win in November (and they'll split the left wing vote) and many Democrats think Biden is just too dated. I think Biden's erosion, assuming it happens, will go to her and Buttigieg, not to Sanders and Warren. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Jul 12 07:26:12 2019, in response to Re: Democratic Food Fight, posted by 3-9 on Fri Jul 12 06:54:17 2019. Obama promised immigration reform when he was running for office in 2008 and even though democrats controlled the entire legislative branch of the federal government, I don't recall anything being done. I guess that there were other priorities, but they really missed the boat and maybe we are where we are because of that inaction. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Jul 12 07:27:43 2019, in response to Re: Democratic Food Fight, posted by AlM on Fri Jul 12 07:24:45 2019. Could be. It doesn't really get interesting for me until the winter when candidates start dropping out and we find out who the real choices are. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 12 07:28:13 2019, in response to Re: Democratic Food Fight, posted by AlM on Fri Jul 12 07:24:45 2019. I just want Trump on his ass and a justice department that will fairly investigate him, but electing Biden (or Sanders, or even Warren) just seems to me like replacing Andropov with Chernenko. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 12 07:28:58 2019, in response to Re: Democratic Food Fight, posted by Easy on Fri Jul 12 07:27:43 2019. Swalwell dropped out! It's really heating up now! |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Fri Jul 12 07:29:06 2019, in response to Re: Democratic Food Fight, posted by Easy on Fri Jul 12 07:26:12 2019. Trump promised immigration reform when he was running for office in 2016 and even though Republicans controlled the entire legislative branch of the federal government, I don't recall anything being done. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Fri Jul 12 07:29:06 2019, in response to Re: Democratic Food Fight, posted by Easy on Fri Jul 12 07:26:12 2019. Trump promised immigration reform when he was running for office in 2016 and even though Republicans controlled the entire legislative branch of the federal government, I don't recall anything being done. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 12 07:29:47 2019, in response to Re: Democratic Food Fight, posted by mtk52983 on Fri Jul 12 07:29:06 2019. PWN3D! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 12 07:30:11 2019, in response to Re: Democratic Food Fight, posted by Easy on Fri Jul 12 07:26:12 2019. He did pass Obamacare, which Republicans are doing their damndest to sabotage. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jul 12 07:30:18 2019, in response to Re: Democratic Food Fight, posted by Easy on Fri Jul 12 07:26:12 2019. Filibuster. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Fri Jul 12 07:31:26 2019, in response to Re: Democratic Food Fight, posted by AlM on Fri Jul 12 07:30:18 2019. Which the Republicans did away with yet still did not pass immigration reform under Trump despite controlling every branch of government. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Jul 12 07:32:44 2019, in response to Re: Democratic Food Fight, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 12 07:28:58 2019. Haha. I was like "who?". |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Jul 12 07:33:22 2019, in response to Re: Democratic Food Fight, posted by mtk52983 on Fri Jul 12 07:29:06 2019. You must not watch the news or read the papers. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Jul 12 07:34:59 2019, in response to Re: Democratic Food Fight, posted by mtk52983 on Fri Jul 12 07:31:26 2019. The republican version of immigration reform under Trump would be radically different than the democratic version. His version of reform would be to end the cycle of other countries sending their poor. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Fri Jul 12 07:36:00 2019, in response to Re: Democratic Food Fight, posted by Easy on Fri Jul 12 07:34:59 2019. Yet that has not happened. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Jul 12 07:37:29 2019, in response to Re: Democratic Food Fight, posted by mtk52983 on Fri Jul 12 07:36:00 2019. What? It's happening right now! Turn on your television or pickup a paper. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Fri Jul 12 07:41:20 2019, in response to Re: Democratic Food Fight, posted by mtk52983 on Fri Jul 12 06:40:25 2019. Farley was lazy. I think I worked harder than she did. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 12 07:41:26 2019, in response to Re: Democratic Food Fight, posted by mtk52983 on Fri Jul 12 07:31:26 2019. They only got rid of it for Supreme Court nominations. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 12 07:43:43 2019, in response to Re: Democratic Food Fight, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Fri Jul 12 07:41:20 2019. Who's Farley? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 12 07:44:44 2019, in response to Re: Democratic Food Fight, posted by Easy on Fri Jul 12 07:32:44 2019. I had to Google that it was really Swalwell and that his name is spelled that way and not some other way. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jul 12 07:44:51 2019, in response to Re: Democratic Food Fight, posted by Easy on Fri Jul 12 07:37:29 2019. Except that, because the Republican Congress didn't change the law, people claiming refugee status have wide-ranging rights that Trump can't negate by executive order. He forgot to have a Republican Congress make those rights narrower while he had a chance. And now he's not willing to negotiate a package deal with Democrats but just heaps verbal abuse on them instead. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 12 07:45:24 2019, in response to Re: Democratic Food Fight, posted by Easy on Fri Jul 12 07:34:59 2019. Would they still send their tired? |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Jul 12 07:46:21 2019, in response to Re: Democratic Food Fight, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 12 07:44:44 2019. Now Tom Steyer just joined the race. He has enough money to make himself known and will be a contender for at least some of the race. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Jul 12 07:46:45 2019, in response to Re: Democratic Food Fight, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 12 07:45:24 2019. Pwned! |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Jul 12 07:49:30 2019, in response to Re: Democratic Food Fight, posted by AlM on Fri Jul 12 07:44:51 2019. Well he's been sending them back. I read that most come over saying similar versions of the same correct things to say and have been obviously coached, but they're getting sent back anyway. Is that true? |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Fri Jul 12 08:17:14 2019, in response to Re: Democratic Food Fight, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 12 07:30:11 2019. Yes and it proves what hypocrites you liberals are. It's reasonable to make citizens prove that they have media Al coverage but it's not reasonable to ask if they are citizens |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Fri Jul 12 08:17:42 2019, in response to Re: Democratic Food Fight, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 12 07:30:11 2019. Yes and it proves what hypocrites you liberals are. It's reasonable to make citizens prove that they have medical coverage but it's not reasonable to ask if they are citizens |
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