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Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Nov 3 16:36:13 2006, in response to Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?, posted by Subterranean Railway on Fri Nov 3 15:52:42 2006.

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Incorrect. I take it that you've never heard of Culex molestus. In the 1860s, members of the London mosquito population migrated into the newly constructed Underground. Their isolated environment forced them to change feeding and mating tactics. C. pipiens, the surface species, rarely bites humans, instead focusing on animals. The underground species, dubbed Culex molestus, only bites humans. It also follows radically different breeding patterns.

No, that's incorrect. False taxonomy. Still C. pipiens; or has always been a distinct species.

C. molestus has been determined to be a new species. It cannot successfully interbreed with C. pipiens

Based on what observation? Contrary to what scientists claim, the London Underground is not an isolated environment at all. Mosquitoes are actually more free to enter and leave than humans are!

BTW . . . you sure that this species isn't really Culex Molestus from Australia? The British Empire extended that far and certainly could have carried these with them on their famous merchant navy.

Contrary to your claim, there have been many such observed instances of speciation

Name one where one creature turns into another. This is one of the linchpins upon which the theory of evolution hangs.

Not to mention the fact that viruses/bacteria often mutate and adapt themselves into new niches. The HIV virus is a prime example of this: The virus that causes AIDS is very different than the chimpanzee-specific virus. Looking at criteria for differentiating asexually-reproducing species, it's clear that viruses and bacteria have generated many new species

No, they've generated new individuals. There isn't enough variety among such creatures to determine species; nor has any such species turned into a so-called higher form of life.

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Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Nov 3 16:38:40 2006, in response to Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Nov 3 15:56:39 2006.

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I'd heard of it, but not the specifics

No such specifics. If C. molestus from the "underground" is found to be a pre-existing species, that conclusion falls down flat. The LU does not trap bugs down there no more than it traps humans.

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Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?

Posted by Subterranean Railway on Fri Nov 3 17:00:56 2006, in response to Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Nov 3 16:36:13 2006.

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No, that's incorrect. False taxonomy. Still C. pipiens; or has always been a distinct species.

No, they are a different species.

Based on what observation?

Multiple trials were conducted where C. molestus mated with C. pipies. No offspring were produced, at all.

Analysis of C. molestus's genetic material also indicates that it's diverged from C. pipiens. Genetic pedigrees also indicate that there's a clear divergence of species.

...the London Underground is not an isolated environment at all... Mosquitoes are actually more free to enter and leave than humans are!

Looking at pedigrees of the underground mosquitoes, it seems that there hasn't been any gene flow.

BTW . . . you sure that this species isn't really Culex Molestus from Australia?

Yes. C. molestus in the Underground is different from C. molestus elsewhere in the world. Now that's bad taxonomy.

No, they've generated new individuals.

So HIV is not a different species from the similar chimpanzee virus? You're the first person I've heard to believe that.

There isn't enough variety among such creatures to determine species;

How do you differentiate between species of asexually-reproducing lifeforms, then?

Nor has any such species turned into a so-called higher form of life.

The fossil record clearly indicates that's not the case. Various dating methods clearly indicate a evolutionary progression of lifeforms.

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Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?

Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Nov 3 17:32:09 2006, in response to Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Nov 3 16:36:13 2006.

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It's pointless for anybody to want to teach you what you don't want to learn. If you don't think evolution is real, that's your business, but don't pretend you know anything about the subject.

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Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Nov 3 18:48:40 2006, in response to Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Nov 3 16:38:40 2006.

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Looks like you've got my back then in that case. :)

http://mirell.org/swf/london_underground.swf

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Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Nov 3 18:49:34 2006, in response to Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Nov 3 17:32:09 2006.

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It's pointless for anybody to want to teach you what you don't want to learn

Nobody observed a genetic shift from one mosquito to the other. There's no real evidence that these were originally Culex pipiens—only that there is a distinct species of mosquito that can live in the LU and cannot live outside it. Also, sterility is not necessarily an indicator of a "mule" (I did look up the crossbreeding tests). Further, the mosquito is still a mosquito and not a new kind of insect of the order Diptera.

If you don't think evolution is real, that's your business, but don't pretend you know anything about the subject

Sorry; all I regard as valid are tests and the results thereof (which is concurrent with scientific method). The conclusions (or should I say postulations) are very much open for debate; certainly the scientific community agrees, or else they would have declared evolution a law.

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Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Nov 3 19:12:21 2006, in response to Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?, posted by Subterranean Railway on Fri Nov 3 17:00:56 2006.

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"No, that's incorrect. False taxonomy. Still C. pipiens; or has always been a distinct species."

No, they are a different species


So I half-agreed with you. However, there's no proof that the species was not extant prior to the LU.

"Based on what observation?"

Multiple trials were conducted where C. molestus mated with C. pipies. No offspring were produced, at all


Neither of us were privy to those trials, so the standards they used are unknown to us. Science may be unprejudiced, but scientists are not necessarily so.

Analysis of C. molestus's genetic material also indicates that it's diverged from C. pipiens. Genetic pedigrees also indicate that there's a clear divergence of species . . . Looking at pedigrees of the underground mosquitoes, it seems that there hasn't been any gene flow

The jury is still very much out on the issue. Note this article, which actually indicates that there is indeed wild "hybridization" of the "Molestus" and Pipiens classifications.

There's also one thing that is grossly missing from this puzzle: It would be impossible for the "Molestus" variety of mosquito to survive in the LU tunnels solely. Why? Male mosquitoes do not and cannot drink blood—they subsist on nectar and/or plant sap (plants can't grow in the lightless LU, where there is no light to provide photosynthesis nor topsoil to allow nutrient absorption from the ground). Mosquitoes do not reproduce asexually, also.

So HIV is not a different species from the similar chimpanzee virus? You're the first person I've heard to believe that

I'm postulating it. Belief comes with proof, when it comes to physical things; metaphysical things are another matter. The jury is still out on whether or not viri are actually alive, since they are acellular and carry a tiny amount of either DNA or RNA (never both).

"Nor has any such species turned into a so-called higher form of life."

The fossil record clearly indicates that's not the case. Various dating methods clearly indicate a evolutionary progression of lifeforms


Dating methods are unreliable. The fossil record, like I stated in another post, merely indicates that there were different species on the planet at one time, not their fate nor the origin of new species. That's where theories come in, to speculate (versus prove outright) on such matters.

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Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?

Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Nov 3 19:54:03 2006, in response to Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Nov 3 18:49:34 2006.

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The scientific community considers evolution to be a process, not a theory.

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Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Nov 3 19:55:50 2006, in response to Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Nov 3 19:54:03 2006.

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The scientific community considers evolution to be a process, not a theory

There is no fixed "process" of the kind that would be part of a law. And they very much consider it a theory.

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Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?

Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Nov 3 23:37:08 2006, in response to Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Nov 3 19:55:50 2006.

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If you post the same nonsense 15 times, do you think it will be any more true than the first time?

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Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 4 11:25:44 2006, in response to Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Nov 3 23:37:08 2006.

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Nice to see you have abandoned science in favor of emotionalism. Sorry, but I didn't post nonsense. The Culex pipiens/molestus issue is not set in stone, and I proved that.

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Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?

Posted by tracksionmotor on Sat Nov 4 14:21:15 2006, in response to Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Nov 3 19:55:50 2006.

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Nuclear Fusion is not a law either...you just batch up the right ingredients with the correct environment and you get KABOOMSKY!!!

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Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?

Posted by tracksionmotor on Sat Nov 4 14:35:19 2006, in response to Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Oct 29 15:23:57 2006.

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TRUTH from Selkirk TMO as always. IF the Earths magnetic field reversed, our 'electronic lives' would be devistated. This process would not be instantaneous but progressive if such would were to occur.

A few cold 807s followed by a hot shot 813 would settle the problem.

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Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?

Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sat Nov 4 14:47:10 2006, in response to Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?, posted by tracksionmotor on Sat Nov 4 14:35:19 2006.

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"IF the Earths magnetic field reversed, our 'electronic lives' would be devistated."


What would happen to our electronic devices?

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Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?

Posted by tracksionmotor on Sat Nov 4 16:15:07 2006, in response to Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sat Nov 4 14:47:10 2006.

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The first noticable effect will be with distribution of electric power...heavy magnetic storms on the sun affect power distribution and communications...'sun spots.' Second thing will be loss of magnetic reference and If Geophysical Position Satellites are affected, your only navigational aids will be destination signs and a sextant...communications may not work properly or fail. Third thing will be CRT TVs...the picture tube is affected by the earths magnetic field and not may display...get a LCD flat screen set with HDTV tuner. Fourth item is your car...electromagnetic pulse from a nuclear is deemed to damage and/or destroy sensitive electronic compopnents...what happens with the reversal when ignition and braking systems of cars/trucks/trains use magnetic sensors for rotating parts?

Such an occurance is not immediate...takes time to do...like centuries so do not worry. Eat your food, give the Grace, say your prayers and be sure your towel is wrapped upon your head AFTER applying your tin hat (which protects you from interstellar radio-nation). Your friend, Bob Abouie.

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Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?

Posted by WillD on Sat Nov 4 17:08:29 2006, in response to Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Oct 30 12:58:43 2006.

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No one seems to want to tell China and India to "stop".

That's because on a per capita basis they're still well under Europe, and especially the US for CO2 production. We can't exactly tell the Chinese to stop producing CO2 when we're burning some 20 million barrels of oil and 3 million tons of coal every day. Of course the Kyoto signers probably need to recognize that China and India are far from the developing economies the treaty identifies them as, and that it is incumbent upon both nations to engage in the same international support for CO2 abatement as the other signing developed nations.

I don't see why there needs to be conclusive proof that carbon dioxide is a contributing factor to global climate change before we act on it. We've done plenty of stupid shit on far less conclusive support (a certain ongoing war comes to mind), and in this case the recognition of carbon dioxide as a pollutant could very well keep the planet inhabitable for your children. We're talking just a few million dollars today to prevent what could likely be hundreds of billions of dollars to fix the problem 25 to 50 years from now.

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Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?

Posted by Market-Frankford on Tue Nov 7 22:10:46 2006, in response to Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sat Oct 28 17:44:28 2006.

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I'm not surprised. Our magnetic fields have already changed at least once in human history and they will again. BTW, what are they saying on Ch 13?

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Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?

Posted by daNd124 on Sat Oct 5 22:59:11 2013, in response to Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Oct 30 18:33:28 2006.

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bump

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Re: Earths Magnetic Field/Currents Reversing?

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 5 23:10:09 2013, in response to Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?, posted by daNd124 on Sat Oct 5 22:59:11 2013.

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You're getting desperate. Did you ever study science? I know that Sus scrofa didn't, and you just exposed him as the crazy by his claiming a theory is "fact".

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Re: Earths Magnetic Field/Currents Reversing?

Posted by daNd124 on Sat Oct 5 23:11:46 2013, in response to Re: Earths Magnetic Field/Currents Reversing?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 5 23:10:09 2013.

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lol

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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 5 23:12:49 2013, in response to Re: Earths Magnetic Field/Currents Reversing?, posted by daNd124 on Sat Oct 5 23:11:46 2013.

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You're laughing at what now? Don't tell me you believe a theory is "fact" too?? Nutjob.

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Posted by daNd124 on Sat Oct 5 23:13:38 2013, in response to Re:, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 5 23:12:49 2013.

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yes evolution is a fact.

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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 5 23:15:47 2013, in response to Re:, posted by daNd124 on Sat Oct 5 23:13:38 2013.

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You are completely nuts. Never mind scientifically illiterate. Not even evolutionary scientists will go so far as to say something like that—and I've learned from them in college too!

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Posted by daNd124 on Sat Oct 5 23:16:33 2013, in response to Re:, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 5 23:15:47 2013.

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i don't care what your bible college told you

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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 5 23:17:58 2013, in response to Re:, posted by daNd124 on Sat Oct 5 23:16:33 2013.

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I never went to a Bible college, sicko. There's your bigotry acting up again. I went to state schools. Where would you find evolutionary biologists in Bible colleges??

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Re: Earths Magnetic Field/Currents Reversing?

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Oct 5 23:35:59 2013, in response to Re: Earths Magnetic Field/Currents Reversing?, posted by daNd124 on Sat Oct 5 23:11:46 2013.

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lol+1

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Re: Earths Magnetic Field/Currents Reversing?

Posted by Dave on Sun Oct 6 11:39:56 2013, in response to Re: Earths Magnetic Field/Currents Reversing?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 5 23:10:09 2013.

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Please stop feeding the troll.

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Re: Earths Magnetic Field/Currents Reversing?

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 6 11:50:00 2013, in response to Re: Earths Magnetic Field/Currents Reversing?, posted by Dave on Sun Oct 6 11:39:56 2013.

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OK. Sorry about that.

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Posted by streetcarman1 on Fri Oct 18 11:30:54 2013, in response to Re:, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 5 23:17:58 2013.

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"I went to state schools. "

You mean that some taxpayer funded YOUR education? hmmmm...we as taxpayers should get our money back for the end product that came out of there.....the insane Olog-hai.....

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