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Deceased G.O.P. Strategistís Hard Drives Reveal New Details on the Census Citizenship Question

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 30 07:00:08 2019

NY Times

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"Files on those drives showed that he wrote a study in 2015 concluding that adding a citizenship question to the census would allow Republicans to draft even more extreme gerrymandered maps to stymie Democrats."

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Re: Deceased G.O.P. Strategistís Hard Drives Reveal New Details on the Census Citizenship Question

Posted by Dan on Thu May 30 07:58:08 2019, in response to Deceased G.O.P. Strategistís Hard Drives Reveal New Details on the Census Citizenship Question, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 30 07:00:08 2019.

Why is the 'citizenship question' such a BFD with the left? Just skip the question on the census form if you don't feel like answering it.

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Re: Deceased G.O.P. Strategistís Hard Drives Reveal New Details on the Census Citizenship Question

Posted by mtk52983 on Thu May 30 08:06:00 2019, in response to Re: Deceased G.O.P. Strategistís Hard Drives Reveal New Details on the Census Citizenship Question, posted by Dan on Thu May 30 07:58:08 2019.

Because people will be worried that if they don't answer they will be targetted by ICE so will just not return the form at all leading to an undercounting of population for census purposes. According to the Constitution, even though illegals are not citizens they are still to be counted for the census. It is not just those eligible to vote.

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Re: Deceased G.O.P. Strategistís Hard Drives Reveal New Details on the Census Citizenship Question

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 30 08:10:25 2019, in response to Re: Deceased G.O.P. Strategistís Hard Drives Reveal New Details on the Census Citizenship Question, posted by mtk52983 on Thu May 30 08:06:00 2019.

Exactly. This question serves no legitimate purpose in terms of a more accurate census and is instead intended solely to decrease the count of people in Democratic areas.

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Re: Deceased G.O.P. Strategistís Hard Drives Reveal New Details on the Census Citizenship Question

Posted by mtk52983 on Thu May 30 08:28:48 2019, in response to Re: Deceased G.O.P. Strategistís Hard Drives Reveal New Details on the Census Citizenship Question, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 30 08:10:25 2019.

It would be no different than if the Democrats added a question to the census asking if the person responding or someone in his/her household owned a gun.

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Re: Deceased G.O.P. Strategistís Hard Drives Reveal New Details on the Census Citizenship Question

Posted by mtk52983 on Thu May 30 08:28:48 2019, in response to Re: Deceased G.O.P. Strategistís Hard Drives Reveal New Details on the Census Citizenship Question, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 30 08:10:25 2019.

It would be no different than if the Democrats added a question to the census asking if the person responding or someone in his/her household owned a gun.

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Re: Deceased G.O.P. Strategistís Hard Drives Reveal New Details on the Census Citizenship Question

Posted by AlM on Thu May 30 09:17:35 2019, in response to Re: Deceased G.O.P. Strategistís Hard Drives Reveal New Details on the Census Citizenship Question, posted by mtk52983 on Thu May 30 08:28:48 2019.

Heh. Someone should have brought that up in the arguments before the court.

(Just like hopefully the conservatives on the court will be sufficiently outraged by the gerrymandering Democrats have done in Maryland that they will outlaw purely political gerrymandering.)




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Re: Deceased G.O.P. Strategistís Hard Drives Reveal New Details on the Census Citizenship Question

Posted by orange blossom special on Thu May 30 10:25:06 2019, in response to Deceased G.O.P. Strategistís Hard Drives Reveal New Details on the Census Citizenship Question, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 30 07:00:08 2019.

a) Hard Drives? They weren't blech bit or acid washed???

b) some dude that you never heard of is telling you a result of something inane that has yet to happen?


Is today turn off your brain day or something?

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Re: Deceased G.O.P. Strategistís Hard Drives Reveal New Details on the Census Citizenship Question

Posted by orange blossom special on Thu May 30 10:26:26 2019, in response to Re: Deceased G.O.P. Strategistís Hard Drives Reveal New Details on the Census Citizenship Question, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 30 08:10:25 2019.

"This question serves no legitimate purpose in terms of a more accurate census and is instead intended solely to decrease the count of people in Democratic areas"

Just like asking what language people spoke at home in the 1940 census.

Uh-huh. Right boss.

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Re: Deceased G.O.P. Strategistís Hard Drives Reveal New Details on the Census Citizenship Question

Posted by orange blossom special on Thu May 30 10:26:39 2019, in response to Re: Deceased G.O.P. Strategistís Hard Drives Reveal New Details on the Census Citizenship Question, posted by mtk52983 on Thu May 30 08:28:48 2019.

You never actually seen all the questions on a census have you?

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Re: Deceased G.O.P. Strategistís Hard Drives Reveal New Details on the Census Citizenship Question?

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 30 10:32:05 2019, in response to Deceased G.O.P. Strategistís Hard Drives Reveal New Details on the Census Citizenship Question, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 30 07:00:08 2019.

Wow, the antisemitic New York Slimes are going further and further into the lunatic fringe.

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Re: Deceased G.O.P. Strategistís Hard Drives Reveal New Details on the Census Citizenship Question?

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 30 10:36:21 2019, in response to Re: Deceased G.O.P. Strategistís Hard Drives Reveal New Details on the Census Citizenship Question, posted by Dan on Thu May 30 07:58:08 2019.

"The Communists are further reproached for desiring to abolish countries and nationality."
Because they believe in the Communist Manifesto, that's why.

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Re: Deceased G.O.P. Strategistís Hard Drives Reveal New Details on the Census Citizenship Question

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 30 11:00:51 2019, in response to Re: Deceased G.O.P. Strategistís Hard Drives Reveal New Details on the Census Citizenship Question, posted by orange blossom special on Thu May 30 10:26:26 2019.

What is your point? They shouldnít ask that question on the short form either.

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Re: Deceased G.O.P. Strategistís Hard Drives Reveal New Details on the Census Citizenship Question?

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 30 11:02:43 2019, in response to Re: Deceased G.O.P. Strategistís Hard Drives Reveal New Details on the Census Citizenship Question?, posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 30 10:32:05 2019.

LOL! You calling someone else a lunatic.

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Re: Deceased G.O.P. Strategistís Hard Drives Reveal New Details on the Census Citizenship Question?

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 30 11:12:56 2019, in response to Re: Deceased G.O.P. Strategistís Hard Drives Reveal New Details on the Census Citizenship Question?, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 30 11:02:43 2019.

LOL at you thinking that tactic works. But then again, here you are still citing an openly antisemitic publication who calls counting legal citizens "gerrymandering" and counting illegals on the census not gerrymandering.

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Re: Deceased G.O.P. Strategistís Hard Drives Reveal New Details on the Census Citizenship Question

Posted by orange blossom special on Thu May 30 11:20:13 2019, in response to Re: Deceased G.O.P. Strategistís Hard Drives Reveal New Details on the Census Citizenship Question, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 30 11:00:51 2019.

my point is the lack of consistency.


Most people would like to know where the tourists live versus everyone else. Goes to public safety, public services, and economics.

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Re: Deceased G.O.P. Strategistís Hard Drives Reveal New Details on the Census Citizenship Question?

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 30 11:21:48 2019, in response to Re: Deceased G.O.P. Strategistís Hard Drives Reveal New Details on the Census Citizenship Question?, posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 30 11:12:56 2019.

Facts are inconvenient to you, so shoot the messenger.

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Re: Deceased G.O.P. Strategistís Hard Drives Reveal New Details on the Census Citizenship Question

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 30 11:22:59 2019, in response to Re: Deceased G.O.P. Strategistís Hard Drives Reveal New Details on the Census Citizenship Question, posted by orange blossom special on Thu May 30 11:20:13 2019.

The point of the census is to count everyone once. Anything beyond that is what the long form is for.

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Re: Deceased G.O.P. Strategistís Hard Drives Reveal New Details on the Census Citizenship Question?

Posted by orange blossom special on Thu May 30 11:23:13 2019, in response to Re: Deceased G.O.P. Strategistís Hard Drives Reveal New Details on the Census Citizenship Question?, posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 30 11:12:56 2019.

I don't get it. Spanish is nearly an official language from Erie, Penn to Seattle, Wash. Unless they're going to make them 2/3rd of a person, how does it effect voting districts?

Is that like police cars 3 blocks away from polling locations, or the fact that in India they all have an ID to vote?

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Re: Deceased G.O.P. Strategistís Hard Drives Reveal New Details on the Census Citizenship Question?

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 30 11:24:25 2019, in response to Re: Deceased G.O.P. Strategistís Hard Drives Reveal New Details on the Census Citizenship Question?, posted by orange blossom special on Thu May 30 11:23:13 2019.

If everyone in the US had an ID to vote, Iíd be totally in favor of voter ID. The current system with signatures is bullshit.

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Re: Deceased G.O.P. Strategistís Hard Drives Reveal New Details on the Census Citizenship Question?

Posted by AlM on Thu May 30 12:20:40 2019, in response to Re: Deceased G.O.P. Strategistís Hard Drives Reveal New Details on the Census Citizenship Question?, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 30 11:24:25 2019.

Yep. Nothing wrong with voter IDs if everyone who is eligible for one can get one for free.



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Re: Deceased G.O.P. Strategistís Hard Drives Reveal New Details on the Census Citizenship Question?

Posted by mtk52983 on Thu May 30 12:21:41 2019, in response to Re: Deceased G.O.P. Strategistís Hard Drives Reveal New Details on the Census Citizenship Question?, posted by AlM on Thu May 30 12:20:40 2019.

Not just the ID being free, but the supporting documentation and access to get the ID also being free.

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Re: Deceased G.O.P. Strategistís Hard Drives Reveal New Details on the Census Citizenship Question?

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 30 12:40:51 2019, in response to Re: Deceased G.O.P. Strategistís Hard Drives Reveal New Details on the Census Citizenship Question?, posted by mtk52983 on Thu May 30 12:21:41 2019.

It should be available through post offices. Obviously, the IDs would be a state thing, but the Postal Service can cooperate with the local authorities. Post offices are by far more available than DMVs.

But then, I'm one of those pinkos who supports postal banking.

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Re: Deceased G.O.P. Strategistís Hard Drives Reveal New Details on the Census Citizenship Question?

Posted by AlM on Thu May 30 12:45:04 2019, in response to Re: Deceased G.O.P. Strategistís Hard Drives Reveal New Details on the Census Citizenship Question?, posted by mtk52983 on Thu May 30 12:21:41 2019.

Free and without undue difficulty to obtain. Useless if it's free but it requires one of BB's cherished original birth certificates, and the county will only give you a modern copy.



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Re: Deceased G.O.P. Strategistís Hard Drives Reveal New Details on the Census Citizenship Question?

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu May 30 12:52:41 2019, in response to Re: Deceased G.O.P. Strategistís Hard Drives Reveal New Details on the Census Citizenship Question?, posted by AlM on Thu May 30 12:45:04 2019.

WHY are you putting words in my mouth?? An official copy is just as good as the original. I NEVER said anything about birth certificates having to be original, so sorry, try again, thanks for playing!

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Re: Deceased G.O.P. Strategistís Hard Drives Reveal New Details on the Census Citizenship Question?

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 30 15:08:23 2019, in response to Re: Deceased G.O.P. Strategistís Hard Drives Reveal New Details on the Census Citizenship Question?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu May 30 12:52:41 2019.

WHY are you putting words in my mouth?

Don't feel bad. He used to do that to me all the time, until I started ignoring him 97⅝ percent of the time. He still does it to others.

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