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Posted by Fred G on Tue Apr 16 18:20:13 2019, in response to Re: Change my mind: We need national healthcare, posted by Train Dude on Tue Apr 16 18:19:17 2019. That’s what you did there, curly Joe |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Apr 16 18:20:16 2019, in response to Re: Change my mind: We need national healthcare, posted by Train Dude on Tue Apr 16 18:19:17 2019. That’s what you did there, curly Joe |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Apr 16 18:20:28 2019, in response to Re: Change my mind: We need national healthcare, posted by Fred G on Tue Apr 16 18:19:09 2019. LOL, your confusion is astounding but humorous, none the less |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Apr 16 18:45:27 2019, in response to Re: Change my mind: We need national healthcare, posted by Train Dude on Tue Apr 16 18:20:28 2019. No I know the difference between a taxpayer funded paycheck and a capitalist one |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Apr 16 18:56:27 2019, in response to Re: Change my mind: We need national healthcare, posted by Fred G on Tue Apr 16 18:45:27 2019. Taxpayer funded does not mean socialism but if it makes you happy, go for it. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 16 19:12:16 2019, in response to Re: Change my mind: We need national healthcare, posted by Fred G on Tue Apr 16 16:21:50 2019. Maybe in some ways. Wasn't at all for others. |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Apr 16 19:14:30 2019, in response to Re: Change my mind: We need national healthcare, posted by Train Dude on Tue Apr 16 18:56:27 2019. Umm yes it does. You worked for the gubmint |
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Posted by Dave on Tue Apr 16 19:20:56 2019, in response to Re: Change my mind: We need national healthcare, posted by Joe V on Tue Apr 16 15:39:01 2019. I have no problem getting in to see my dermatologist for a mole or something like that, typically within 2 weeks of my call. And no, I don't pay cash (other than my $35 insurance co-pay at the office). |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Apr 16 21:56:25 2019, in response to Re: Change my mind: We need national healthcare, posted by Joe V on Tue Apr 16 14:41:42 2019. Well, isn't it?? |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Apr 16 22:04:55 2019, in response to Re: Change my mind: We need national healthcare, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Apr 16 14:50:51 2019. Martha got ol' Crazy Bernie SHOOK!! "It's free, it's not free, it's free when you use it".. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Apr 16 22:06:01 2019, in response to Re: Change my mind: We need national healthcare, posted by Joe V on Tue Apr 16 14:59:23 2019. EVERY Canadian I know wants our system. Of course these are people with decent jobs and responsibilities. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Apr 16 22:10:05 2019, in response to Re: Change my mind: We need national healthcare, posted by Fred G on Tue Apr 16 16:21:50 2019. Yep |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Apr 16 22:10:33 2019, in response to Re: Change my mind: We need national healthcare, posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 16 19:12:16 2019. Malarkey! |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Apr 17 01:03:00 2019, in response to Re: Change my mind: We need national healthcare, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Apr 16 22:06:01 2019. Sure |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Apr 17 01:03:02 2019, in response to Re: Change my mind: We need national healthcare, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Apr 16 22:06:01 2019. Sure |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Apr 17 03:44:24 2019, in response to Re: Change my mind: We need national healthcare, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Apr 16 22:06:01 2019. EVERY Canadian I know wants our system.Back in 2004 there was a CBC television show called "The Greatest Canadian". Viewers voted on whom they considered the greatest Canadian of all time. The winner was Tommy Douglas - the father of Canada's single payer healthcare system. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Apr 17 03:48:54 2019, in response to Re: Change my mind: We need national healthcare, posted by Train Dude on Tue Apr 16 18:18:03 2019. Socialism sucksThat depends on one's definition of Socialism. Socialism might be great, depending on the definition. |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Apr 17 04:21:52 2019, in response to Re: Change my mind: We need national healthcare, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Apr 17 03:44:24 2019. Every Canadian Bill knows probably amounts to one and he's prolly 15 😂 |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Apr 17 04:51:51 2019, in response to Re: Change my mind: We need national healthcare, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Apr 16 22:04:55 2019. Martha got ol' Crazy Bernie SHOOK!! "It's free, it's not free, it's free when you use it"..You misquoted Mr. Sanders. What he said was "it's going to be free at the point of where you use it." Go back to the video clip. It was Ms. MacCallum who asserted that it was free. She objected, when Mr. Sanders tried to correct her. That was the reason for the exchange where he tried to answer and Ms. MacCallum kept interrupting him |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 17 05:30:44 2019, in response to Re: Change my mind: We need national healthcare, posted by Train Dude on Tue Apr 16 18:56:27 2019. It is the very definition of socialism: Government ownership of the means of production. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 17 05:34:04 2019, in response to Re: Change my mind: We need national healthcare, posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 16 19:12:16 2019. What does that have to do with the topic at hand? Unless you somehow believe that the strong unions and progressive tax rates of mid-century were deleterious to civil rights? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 17 05:35:41 2019, in response to Re: Change my mind: We need national healthcare, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Apr 17 04:51:51 2019. There should be a nominal co-pay. |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Apr 17 06:00:58 2019, in response to Re: Change my mind: We need national healthcare, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 17 05:35:41 2019. IAWTP |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Apr 17 06:20:21 2019, in response to Re: Change my mind: We need national healthcare, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 17 05:30:44 2019. IAWTPHowever, in modern day right wing terminology, "socialism" means a social welfare state. Sadly, many leftists like Sanders have bought into this terminology. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Apr 17 06:22:28 2019, in response to Re: Change my mind: We need national healthcare, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Apr 16 14:50:51 2019. Maybe I missed it, but Bernie didn't answer the kid's question in the healthcare clip. He just bashed Trump and then gave us the party line about how we are paying too much, and not getting good enough healthcare and how so many people are uninsured. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 17 06:28:47 2019, in response to Re: Change my mind: We need national healthcare, posted by AlM on Wed Apr 17 06:20:21 2019. Of course. But even so, a publicly run transit system is a function of a social welfare state just the same. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Apr 17 06:34:02 2019, in response to Re: Change my mind: We need national healthcare, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 17 06:28:47 2019. Agreed, to the degree it provides subsidies it is an element of a social welfare state.And of course by now many of the people who rant about socialism are beneficiaries of Social Security and/or Medicare, which are definitely also aspects of a social welfare state. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Apr 17 06:42:36 2019, in response to Re: Change my mind: We need national healthcare, posted by AlM on Wed Apr 17 06:34:02 2019. Are free bridges an aspect of a social welfare state?What about a light rail system that charges no fare (see the Downtown/North Side segment of Pittsburgh's T), or even the Staten Island Ferry. I think all three are straight-up socialism. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Apr 17 06:48:44 2019, in response to Re: Change my mind: We need national healthcare, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 17 05:34:04 2019. Input know there's no truth to that. Women didn't have the same career choices as men, little if any access to credit (especially commercially) along with facing millions more little micro aggressions than now. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Apr 17 06:56:13 2019, in response to Re: Change my mind: We need national healthcare, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Apr 16 22:10:33 2019. You weren't alive then, so you would never know |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 17 06:59:28 2019, in response to Re: Change my mind: We need national healthcare, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Apr 17 06:42:36 2019. It is if the economy is otherwise capitalist, which in the US it is.Right wingers like to decry these sorts of things by calling them "socialism," and using the fact that that term is still considered pejorative, but it is already started to backfire: Thanks in part to right wingers condemning things as socialism, and doing things like calling capitalist Sweden a "socialist country," Millennials now consider "socialism" to be more positive term than "capitalism." Since most people are idiots, this has horrifying implications. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 17 07:03:34 2019, in response to Re: Change my mind: We need national healthcare, posted by bingbong on Wed Apr 17 06:48:44 2019. So women's lib destroyed America? That's your argument? SMH! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 17 07:03:59 2019, in response to Re: Change my mind: We need national healthcare, posted by bingbong on Wed Apr 17 06:48:44 2019. "Micro aggressions" [sic]LOL! |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Apr 17 07:05:50 2019, in response to Re: Change my mind: We need national healthcare, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Apr 17 03:44:24 2019. That's why I said every Canadian that I know. I know a certain mindset and they are not too happy with the crappy care they get. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Apr 17 07:06:50 2019, in response to Re: Change my mind: We need national healthcare, posted by Fred G on Wed Apr 17 04:21:52 2019. You know what, why do you say stupid shit for? If you're a pedophile keep it to yourself, don't project jokes like that on to other people here. I know several Canadians, and none of them like the healthcare |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Apr 17 07:07:25 2019, in response to Re: Change my mind: We need national healthcare, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Apr 17 03:48:54 2019. Socialism is great for the people that don't work. For the people that do work, they get fleeced |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Apr 17 07:09:44 2019, in response to Re: Change my mind: We need national healthcare, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Apr 17 04:51:51 2019. Yes, I saw that, I wasn't quoting exactly. But it's not free when you useYes, I saw that, I wasn't quoting exactly. But it's not free when you use it, because your taxes are paying for it. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Apr 17 07:18:25 2019, in response to Re: Change my mind: We need national healthcare, posted by bingbong on Wed Apr 17 06:48:44 2019. Who cares?! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 17 07:18:54 2019, in response to Re: Change my mind: We need national healthcare, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Apr 17 07:07:25 2019. Bullshit |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Apr 17 07:27:41 2019, in response to Re: Change my mind: We need national healthcare, posted by bingbong on Wed Apr 17 06:56:13 2019. So what? Your assertion still has nothing to do with the subject at hand. America was doing good in the 1950s job-wise and no one can deny that |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Apr 17 07:35:07 2019, in response to Re: Change my mind: We need national healthcare, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 17 07:03:34 2019. No, republicans ru8ned America. Part of that has to do with their tempts to roll back progress. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Apr 17 07:37:55 2019, in response to Re: Change my mind: We need national healthcare, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 17 07:18:54 2019. Why should one person have to pay for it and another person not? |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Apr 17 07:39:07 2019, in response to Re: Change my mind: We need national healthcare, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Apr 17 07:18:25 2019. Half the population. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Apr 17 07:40:43 2019, in response to Re: Change my mind: We need national healthcare, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Apr 17 07:27:41 2019. One reason being a smaller pool of working people, as women were excluded from many opportunities. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Apr 17 07:41:01 2019, in response to Re: Change my mind: We need national healthcare, posted by bingbong on Wed Apr 17 07:39:07 2019. It's 2019, the 1950s are over! |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Apr 17 07:41:29 2019, in response to Re: Change my mind: We need national healthcare, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Apr 17 07:41:01 2019. And the trumpers want to br8n* them back. Including you. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Wed Apr 17 07:45:45 2019, in response to Re: Change my mind: We need national healthcare, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 17 06:59:28 2019. It seems that liberals have weaponized the term "Socialist" while embracing socialism. You seem to be at war with ypurself |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Apr 17 07:46:53 2019, in response to Re: Change my mind: We need national healthcare, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Apr 17 07:07:25 2019. So you endorse a $5 subway fare? And privatization of all the main roads? |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Apr 17 08:45:17 2019, in response to Re: Change my mind: We need national healthcare, posted by bingbong on Wed Apr 17 07:40:43 2019. They were home watching the kids. They did their part |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Apr 17 08:47:25 2019, in response to Re: Change my mind: We need national healthcare, posted by bingbong on Wed Apr 17 07:41:29 2019. I think those Trumpers you talkin about want to bring Prosperity back, not the 1950s themselves. |
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