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Posted by Fred G on Tue Apr 9 02:03:44 2019, in response to Re: Child Caging secretary resigns, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Apr 8 23:57:12 2019. They came out in 2018 |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Apr 9 03:53:35 2019, in response to Re: Child Caging secretary resigns, posted by Fred G on Tue Apr 9 02:03:44 2019. Not really. The predicted outcomes came to fruition |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Apr 9 05:56:02 2019, in response to Re: Child Caging secretary resigns, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Apr 9 03:53:35 2019. False we had increased voter turn out in 2018. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 9 07:03:10 2019, in response to Re: Child Caging secretary resigns, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Apr 8 22:23:11 2019. It IS a fluke. Putting it to a stop is more important than anything. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 9 07:04:44 2019, in response to Re: Child Caging secretary resigns, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 8 23:21:40 2019. Yes,it is. You keep neglecting the fact trump lost the vote by millions. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 9 07:09:22 2019, in response to Re: Child Caging secretary resigns, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Apr 8 23:55:47 2019. He is NOT going to be able to repeat that. There are too many watching and there’s too much money going to be spent ensuring the message gets through. Add to that the fact trump is doing nothing for the few people he tricked into voting his way last time. He wants to cut millions more off from healthcare. That won’t go over well. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Tue Apr 9 07:17:33 2019, in response to Re: Child Caging secretary resigns, posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 9 07:09:22 2019. You said that in 2018 and the Senate only got more Republican, especially in regions the Democrats need to win to have a shot in 2020. They have candidates who can beat Trump in 2020, but they are not coalescing around them because they are not minority enough or not Socialist enough. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 9 07:23:27 2019, in response to Re: Child Caging secretary resigns, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Apr 9 07:17:33 2019. Who, in your opinion, are the Democratic candidates capable of defeating Trump? |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Tue Apr 9 07:43:44 2019, in response to Re: Child Caging secretary resigns, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 9 07:23:27 2019. Amy KlobucharPete Buttigeig That is of the candidates who have declared so far. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 9 07:45:17 2019, in response to Re: Child Caging secretary resigns, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Apr 9 03:53:35 2019. They did. Had it not been for gerrymandering, the forty seats would have nearly doubled. The Democratic Party showed a majority of congressional votes overall. It’s time the system reflects the will of the people. System's been rigged. We need to fix that. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 9 07:59:36 2019, in response to Re: Child Caging secretary resigns, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Apr 9 07:43:44 2019. I'm actually surprised that Buttigeig has generated such a following, given he is a Mayor (as opposed to a Congressperson or Governor, for example) and is openly gay. He has, so far, overcome these political obstacles handsomely, with adroit handling of the media and issues of the day. Absent a major scandal or misstep, he could do well.Is middle America ready for such a candidate? Possibly. After all, they elected Trump, who was (and still is) supremely unqualified for the office. Buttigeig at least has municipal experience, and is a sober, thoughtful elected official. He most certainly could be a Trump-slayer, if some people can get past their homophobia. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 9 08:11:00 2019, in response to Re: Child Caging secretary resigns, posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 9 07:04:44 2019. Trump won the vote by thousands. That’s enough. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 9 08:11:42 2019, in response to Re: Child Caging secretary resigns, posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 9 07:04:44 2019. You keep harping on the popular vote and ignoring that it is IRRELEVANT. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Apr 9 08:17:57 2019, in response to Re: Child Caging secretary resigns, posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 9 07:45:17 2019. Just because your person didn't win doesn't mean the system is rigged. You're old enough to realize that you can't win them all the time |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Apr 9 08:18:58 2019, in response to Re: Child Caging secretary resigns, posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 9 07:03:10 2019. Putting what to a stop? He's already elected! |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Tue Apr 9 08:19:52 2019, in response to Re: Child Caging secretary resigns, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Apr 9 08:18:58 2019. I think bingbong means making sure Trump is a one term President and obstructing as much as possible. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Apr 9 08:19:53 2019, in response to Re: Child Caging secretary resigns, posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 9 07:09:22 2019. Everything you said is false. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Apr 9 08:21:32 2019, in response to Re: Child Caging secretary resigns, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 9 07:59:36 2019. Don't try to hand him your victim status! He obviously doesn't live for this like you nor does it let him impair and impede what he does. The only thing he has working against him that could bite him in the ass is that the anti-Israel people don't like him. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 9 08:24:49 2019, in response to Re: Child Caging secretary resigns, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 9 07:59:36 2019. I don’t believe that homophobia would be an issue in the general election. Just like with a black candidate, anyone who would vote against a gay candidate is already voting Republican. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Apr 9 08:26:45 2019, in response to Re: Child Caging secretary resigns, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Apr 9 08:19:52 2019. Yes, but it's being proven that that doesn't work with him. You want to defeat Trump next year, get a worthy opponent. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 9 08:46:25 2019, in response to Re: Child Caging secretary resigns, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 9 08:24:49 2019. Agreed, but given the increase in anti-LGBTQ sentiments under Trump, homophobia is a legitimate political obstacle for Buttigeig to consider. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Apr 9 08:54:47 2019, in response to Re: Child Caging secretary resigns, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 9 08:46:25 2019. I can't means I won't! |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Apr 9 09:29:47 2019, in response to Re: Child Caging secretary resigns, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Apr 9 07:43:44 2019. Why do you think O'Rourke, Hickenlooper, Harris, and Booker can't win? |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Tue Apr 9 09:38:52 2019, in response to Re: Child Caging secretary resigns, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Apr 9 08:17:57 2019. Wasting time and breath. The idiot, bingbong, sees gerrymandering in governor elections when democrumbs lose. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Apr 9 09:42:21 2019, in response to Re: Child Caging secretary resigns, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Apr 9 07:17:33 2019. It's way too early to coalesce. Also, the Democrats assign delegates proportionately, as opposed to the Republicans who do winner-take-all. That allows for more time to coalesce.If, for example, it ends up being O'Rourke vs. Sanders as the two leaders, a Klobuchar delegate is way more likely to go for O'Rourke than for Sanders. (If you don't like O'Rourke, substitute Buttigieg.) |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Tue Apr 9 09:43:36 2019, in response to Re: Child Caging secretary resigns, posted by AlM on Tue Apr 9 09:29:47 2019. Hickenlooper just does not have the name recognition although he has the advantage that he is the only real name from his region running in the Primary so that will give him access to a different base of funds.Booker has way too many skeletons in his closet. Harris has fewer skeletons in her closet, but blowing off AIPAC and moving further to the left to court Sanders/Warren supporters who might be concerned about their electability in a general will hurt her. O'Rourke reminds me a lot of Howard Dean's candidacy for some reason. The people that support him are not those that come out when push comes to shove and he is not moderate enough to steal votes on that end to at least keep him in the hunt until larger states where turnout is less of an issue because of the vast number of voters. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Apr 9 09:49:43 2019, in response to Re: Child Caging secretary resigns, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Apr 9 09:43:36 2019. Booker has skeletons that would hurt him in a race against Trump? I thought Booker's main "skeleton" was that he was too law and order? Remember, we're discussing ability to beat Trump, not ability to get nominated. |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Apr 9 10:00:52 2019, in response to Re: Child Caging secretary resigns, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 9 07:59:36 2019. The silent majority isn't as homophobic as you think. The far right, including evangelicals, is. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Tue Apr 9 10:12:51 2019, in response to Re: Child Caging secretary resigns, posted by AlM on Tue Apr 9 09:49:43 2019. A lot of money went missing when he was Mayor of Newark. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Apr 9 10:18:02 2019, in response to Re: Child Caging secretary resigns, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Apr 9 10:12:51 2019. None of it his doing. Trump has had far more crooked subordinates than Booker. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 9 10:20:30 2019, in response to Re: Child Caging secretary resigns, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Apr 9 10:12:51 2019. Proff? |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Tue Apr 9 10:25:12 2019, in response to Re: Child Caging secretary resigns, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 9 10:20:30 2019. LINK |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Apr 9 10:46:26 2019, in response to Re: Child Caging secretary resigns, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Apr 9 10:25:12 2019. Looks like a private foundation screwed up, not the mayor's office. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 9 10:48:34 2019, in response to Re: Child Caging secretary resigns, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Apr 9 10:25:12 2019. From your link:"Zuckerberg wasn't personally involved with the foundation's efforts, and according to Baraka, the group did not spend the Facebook founder's donation wisely. He wishes the foundation would have engaged more with local community members to find solutions specific to Newark." That's not Booker's fault. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Apr 9 10:52:51 2019, in response to Re: Child Caging secretary resigns, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 9 10:48:34 2019. In fact, imagine if the Mayor of Newark had done heavy-handed meddling into the activities of a private foundation. The worst he seems to have done is not try to influence the foundation through persuasion.If this is the worst skeleton (and I have no idea if it is), Booker is clean. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 9 10:55:38 2019, in response to Re: Child Caging secretary resigns, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Tue Apr 9 09:38:52 2019. And yet they see and say nothing when it comes to the obvious gerrymandering of AOC's district. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 9 11:03:58 2019, in response to Re: Child Caging secretary resigns, posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 9 07:45:17 2019. IAWTP |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 9 11:04:02 2019, in response to Re: Child Caging secretary resigns, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 9 07:59:36 2019. After all, they elected Trump, who was (and still is) supremely unqualified for the officeLOL "unqualified". What are the qualifications again? Oh yeah: natural-born here, age 35 or over, 14 years a resident of the USA. No other document contains qualifications for the office besides Article 2 Section 1 of the Constitution. What do you think are qualifications beyond that? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 9 11:04:26 2019, in response to Re: Child Caging secretary resigns, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Apr 9 08:17:57 2019. Except that the system is rigged. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 9 11:04:45 2019, in response to Re: DHS secretary resigns, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 9 10:55:38 2019. LOL! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 9 11:04:58 2019, in response to Re: Child Caging secretary resigns, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Apr 9 08:21:32 2019. The only thing he has working against him that could bite him in the ass is that the anti-Israel people don't like himHow could that bite him in the posterior, when that was one of the factors in his favor in '16 and continues to be in his favor? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 9 11:06:01 2019, in response to Re: DHS secretary resigns, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 9 11:04:58 2019. Buttigieg ran in '16? |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 9 11:08:52 2019, in response to Re: DHS secretary resigns, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 9 11:04:02 2019. Sanity. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Apr 9 11:09:27 2019, in response to Re: DHS secretary resigns, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 9 11:06:01 2019. Olog has Sanders on his mind. He hasn't yet figured out how to say politically correct negatives about Buttigieg. |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Tue Apr 9 11:34:36 2019, in response to Re: DHS secretary resigns, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 9 11:08:52 2019. Thank you. |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Tue Apr 9 12:18:27 2019, in response to Re: DHS secretary resigns, posted by Dave on Mon Apr 8 15:49:49 2019. stupid people beleive everything FOX doespeople like you ! |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Tue Apr 9 12:24:28 2019, in response to Re: DHS secretary resigns, posted by Dave on Mon Apr 8 15:49:49 2019. dummy up cauz FOX is there for you to remain STUPID |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 9 13:57:06 2019, in response to Re: Child Caging secretary resigns, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 9 08:24:49 2019. This is an example of what Buttigeig is facing:The Religious Right Is Claiming Pete Buttigeig Isn't A 'Real' Christian Because He's Gay Bil Browning LGBTQ Nation "The religious right is upset that out presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg has taken the nation by storm. Evangelical leaders are claiming the small town Indiana mayor isn’t actually a Christian because he is gay. They’re particularly perturbed he’s had the temerity to challenge holier-than-thou Vice President Pence’s conservative brand of evangelical Christianity and President Donald Trump’s lack of “Christian values” despite being embraced by the religious right. Buttigieg has made it a point to mention his faith during his media appearances and has tackled the right’s hypocrisy by aligning themselves with the “porn star presidency.” Buttigieg has accused Pence of being “complicit” in the rise of white nationalism and said he had “stopped believing in Scripture when he started believing in Donald Trump” and had become “the cheerleader of the porn star presidency." Pence, like others who oppose equal rights for LGBTQ people, often frames his political opinions as religious ones. Buttigieg is Christian and said that his marriage is good on those terms. “It has made me more compassionate, more understanding, more self-aware, more decent,” Buttigieg said. “My marriage to Chasten has made me a better man. And yes, Mr. Vice President, it has moved me closer to God.” “The idea that the only way a religious person could enter politics is through the religious right — I just don’t think that makes sense. What could be more different than the message I take from my faith and what we’re being shown in Washington right now?” Buttigieg said last month on Morning Joe. “I think a lot of people wonder where they fit, either because who they are, if you’re a member of the LGBTQ community like I am, or because of what you believe politically,” Buttigieg went on. “I think the time has come for more of a religious left to emerge in our country, that let’s people know that they aren’t alone when they look at faith and think that teaches us to reach out to others, to humble ourselves, to take care of the immigrant, the prisoner, and frankly the sex worker.” “I’m reluctant to comment on another person’s faith, but I would say it is hard to look at this president’s actions and believe that they’re the actions of somebody who believes in God,” Buttigieg has also said. “I just don’t understand how you can be as worshipful of your own self as he is and be prepared to humble yourself before God. I’ve never seen him humble himself before anyone. And the exaltation of yourself, especially a self that’s about wealth and power, could not be more at odds with at least my understanding of the teachings of the Christian faith.” Michael Brown, writing for the American Family Association’s blog, took umbrage at Buttigieg’s dig at Trump’s decided lack of “Christian values” supposedly a bedrock of evangelical doctrine, saying it is “absurd” because the candidate “professes to be a serious Christian, yet is pro-abortion and ‘married’ to his same-sex partner.” The American Family Association has been deemed an anti-LGBTQ hate group masquerading as a Christian charity. “Buttigieg must discard the entire testimony of Scripture, since every single reference to homosexual practice in the Bible is condemnatory, without a single positive, homosexual-affirming statement of any kind,” Brown writes before claiming Buttigieg will not get into heaven when he dies. “My issue is with a pro-abortion, practicing homosexual who claims to be Christian calling out Trump’s alleged ‘hypocrisy.’ That, indeed, is the height of hypocrisy, and there is nothing Christian about it.” Conservative pundit Erick Erickson also took aim at Buttigieg – and his faith. “I mean if Buttigieg thinks evangelicals should be supporting him instead of Trump, he fundamentally does not understand the roots of Christianity,” he sent to Twitter. “But then he is an Episcopalian, so he might not actually understand Christianity more than superficially.” Erickson says that Buttigieg’s faith is “corrupt and flawed.” “Buttigieg wants to reject the inconvenient parts of faith he does not like,” Erickson writes in an article for The Resurgent. He is a gay man who got married; he does not think homosexuality is a sin despite express statements in scripture, and he thinks abortion is a moral issue and we cannot legislate our morality.” But in the end, Erickson takes one step back toward reality than Brown is willing to do. “Frankly, Buttigieg makes a valid criticism of evangelicals who give the President a pass on his bad behavior,” he writes. “It actually is a valid criticism.” |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 9 15:10:05 2019, in response to Re: Child Caging secretary resigns, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Apr 9 08:26:45 2019. It is not totally clear that he shouldn't be impeached. We do not have the entire Mueller report. Barr is not judge and jury, he cannot make the call that trump obstructed justice. That is Congress' call. The members of the committee should see the entire unredacted report. THEY are the ones to make the call WRT trump's culpability regarding this, not an appointed (by the president in question, and recently at that) AG. |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Tue Apr 9 15:14:54 2019, in response to Re: Child Caging secretary resigns, posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 9 15:10:05 2019. Text corrected. You're welcome.It is not totally clear that he shouldn't be impeached. We do not have the entire Mueller report. barr is not judge and jury, he cannot make the call that trump obstructed justice. That is Congress' call. The members of the committee should see the entire unredacted report. THEY are the ones to make the call WRT trump's culpability regarding this, not an appointed (by the president in question, and recently at that) AG. |
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