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Re: Ology of Terror V

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 2 17:27:08 2019, in response to Re: Ology of Terror V, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Dec 2 17:16:06 2019.

IAWTP

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Re: Ology of Terror V

Posted by Train Dude on Mon Dec 2 17:59:46 2019, in response to Re: Ology of Terror V, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 2 17:27:08 2019.

WASP: totalitarianism is just a point of a continuum that happens to be, in fact, circular rather than linear. That is, of course unless you want to make the case of communist north Korea and China are not faciest, totalitarian regeims.

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Re: Ology of Terror V

Posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Dec 2 19:02:43 2019, in response to Re: Ology of Terror V, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Dec 2 17:16:06 2019.

And if it's on Wikepedia. Then it must be the truth.

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Re: Ology of Terror V

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 2 19:14:30 2019, in response to Re: Ology of Terror V, posted by Train Dude on Mon Dec 2 17:59:46 2019.

Your explanation is bullshit and has nothing to do with the meaning left/right wing.

And no, they are not fascist regimes, they are communist regimes.

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Re: Ology of Terror V

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 2 19:17:34 2019, in response to Re: Ology of Terror V, posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Dec 2 19:02:43 2019.

It turns out Wikipedia is more accurate than conventional encyclopedić.

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Re: Ology of Terror V

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Dec 2 19:44:14 2019, in response to Re: Ology of Terror V, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Dec 2 17:16:06 2019.

The only problem with wikipedia is that anybody can edit and write what they want.

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Re: Ology of Terror V

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Dec 2 19:57:46 2019, in response to Re: Ology of Terror V, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Dec 2 19:44:14 2019.

Hmmm. You don't say that when Wiki is used to support a conservative viewpoint. At any rate, this particular entry has a verifiable citation.

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Re: Giant snowman

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 2 20:42:08 2019, in response to Re: Ology of Terror V, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Dec 2 17:06:37 2019.

Ignore him; he's nuts and always rejects evidence, e.g. Mussolini saying "God does not exist", "the object of the regime in the economic field is to ensure higher social justice", "in the world's social revolution that will be followed by a more equitable distribution of the earth's riches"—all left wing.

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Re: Weather forecast for me

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 2 20:43:14 2019, in response to Re: Ology of Terror V, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Dec 2 19:44:14 2019.

No; that's not the only problem. They also have left-wing editors who push an agenda when re-editing articles where the truth has suddenly materialized.

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Re: Giant snowman

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 2 20:45:05 2019, in response to Re: Ology of Terror V, posted by Train Dude on Mon Dec 2 17:59:46 2019.

If you look at fascists and what they stand for, they are indeed left wing.

So are national socialists (no such thing as a right-wing socialism, and even Goebbels declared the Nazi Party "the German Left").

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Re: Ology of Terror V

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Dec 2 20:57:07 2019, in response to Re: Ology of Terror V, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Dec 2 19:57:46 2019.

No I don't. I, as a man of facts, would NEVER use Wikipedia or Snopes as legit sources.

I'm sorry, but you'll never see me do that. Plus, why would I particularly "like" a conservative viewpoint?

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Re: Ology of Terror V

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Dec 2 21:03:27 2019, in response to Re: Ology of Terror V, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Dec 2 20:57:07 2019.

Snopes isn't "legit"?

Can you explain why, without posting that discredited article about their purported political bias?

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Re: Ology of Terror V

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Dec 2 21:08:51 2019, in response to Re: Ology of Terror V, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Dec 2 20:57:07 2019.

PS, here is the source link to Routledge, which supports the far-right nature of fascism, cited in the Wikipedia entry.

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Re: Giant snowman

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 2 21:23:57 2019, in response to Re: Ology of Terror V, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Dec 2 20:57:07 2019.

Plus, why would I particularly "like" a conservative viewpoint?

I know you say that out of dislike of the left pigeonholing you, but what "viewpoint(s)" do you think they are referring to?

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Re: Ology of Terror V

Posted by Train Dude on Mon Dec 2 21:51:04 2019, in response to Re: Ology of Terror V, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 2 19:14:30 2019.

LOL. Okay you're right.

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Re: Ology of Terror V

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Dec 3 08:17:24 2019, in response to Re: Ology of Terror V, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Dec 2 21:03:27 2019.

Not by a long shot. They've been wrong plenty of times, enough for me not to cite them as a legit source.

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Re: Ology of Terror V

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Dec 3 08:18:06 2019, in response to Re: Ology of Terror V, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Dec 2 21:03:27 2019.

Who are you refereing to?

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Re: Ology of Terror V

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Dec 3 08:18:34 2019, in response to Re: Ology of Terror V, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Dec 2 21:08:51 2019.

Fascism can also be far left. That's MY point.

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Re: Giant snowman

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Dec 3 08:19:02 2019, in response to Re: Giant snowman, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 2 21:23:57 2019.

Who knows?

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Re: Ology of Terror V

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Dec 3 08:30:17 2019, in response to Re: Ology of Terror V, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Dec 3 08:18:34 2019.

Please do provide credible proof that fascism can be "far left".

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Re: Ology of Terror V

Posted by Train Dude on Tue Dec 3 08:46:39 2019, in response to Re: Ology of Terror V, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Dec 3 08:30:17 2019.

Why are you such an annoying little cunt?

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Re: Ology of Terror V

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Dec 3 08:48:44 2019, in response to Re: Ology of Terror V, posted by Train Dude on Tue Dec 3 08:46:39 2019.

STFU, you cowardly, pathetic, whiny, insecure trollboy.

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Re: Ology of Terror V

Posted by AlM on Tue Dec 3 09:29:25 2019, in response to Re: Ology of Terror V, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Dec 3 08:18:34 2019.

Under Communism, government owns the means of production. You have entire ministries dedicated to economic production, like a Ministry of Steel. Under Fascism, private individuals own the means of production.

Communist China is arguably now Fascist rather than Communist.


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Re: Giant snowman

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 3 09:33:37 2019, in response to Re: Ology of Terror V, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Dec 3 08:18:34 2019.

It's impossible for fascism to be on the right; it's another form of socialism, and was dreamed up by a lifelong communist. Who of anyone actually on the right ever talks of establishing "social justice"??

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Re: Ology of Terror V

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 3 09:36:36 2019, in response to Re: Ology of Terror V, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Dec 3 08:18:34 2019.

No, it can’t. That’s called communism.

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Re: Ology of Terror V

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Dec 3 10:13:03 2019, in response to Re: Ology of Terror V, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Dec 3 08:18:34 2019.

Slight correction. Fascism Is also far left.

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Re: Ology of Terror V

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Dec 3 10:15:00 2019, in response to Re: Ology of Terror V, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Dec 3 08:30:17 2019.

They are both totalitarian regimes.

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Re: Ology of Terror V

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Dec 3 10:17:34 2019, in response to Re: Ology of Terror V, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Dec 3 10:15:00 2019.

That doesn't make fascism "far left" at all, though. Facism has always been a far-right ideology, as my link to an accredited scholarly work earlier in this thread (Routledge) makes abundantly clear.

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Re: Giant snowman

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Dec 3 10:18:10 2019, in response to Re: Giant snowman, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 3 09:33:37 2019.

Outstanding post.

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Re: Ology of Terror V

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Dec 3 10:21:38 2019, in response to Re: Ology of Terror V, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Dec 3 10:17:34 2019.

Let me ask you a question. Which ideology do you prefer? facism, or communism?

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Re: Ology of Terror V

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 3 10:22:49 2019, in response to Re: Ology of Terror V, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Dec 3 10:13:03 2019.

Fascism is not far left at all.

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Re: Ology of Terror V

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 3 10:23:23 2019, in response to Re: Ology of Terror V, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Dec 3 10:21:38 2019.

WTF?

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Re: Ology of Terror V

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Dec 3 10:24:04 2019, in response to Re: Ology of Terror V, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 3 10:22:49 2019.

OK, I will also pose this question to you. Which ideology do you prefer? facism, or communism?


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Re: Giant snowman

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 3 10:25:16 2019, in response to Re: Giant snowman, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Dec 3 10:18:10 2019.

Bullshit post.

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Re: Ology of Terror V

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Dec 3 10:25:20 2019, in response to Re: Ology of Terror V, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 3 10:23:23 2019.

Couldn't you wait until I asked you the same question?

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Re: Giant snowman

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Dec 3 10:26:27 2019, in response to Re: Giant snowman, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 3 10:25:16 2019.

figures

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Re: Giant snowman

Posted by AlM on Tue Dec 3 10:27:52 2019, in response to Re: Giant snowman, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 3 09:33:37 2019.

It's impossible for fascism to be on the right; it's another form of socialism

Then how come in Fascist states, the government doesn't own the means of production?



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Re: Ology of Terror V

Posted by AlM on Tue Dec 3 10:28:46 2019, in response to Re: Ology of Terror V, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Dec 3 10:21:38 2019.

That question is a variant on "Have you stopped beating your wife?"



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Re: Giant snowman

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Dec 3 10:30:15 2019, in response to Re: Giant snowman, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 2 20:42:08 2019.

I agree with most of your post except the first 4 words. I have personally met him. He is not nuts, he is a very intelligent man who I happen to have disagree with on a few things.

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Re: Ology of Terror V

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Dec 3 10:30:41 2019, in response to Re: Ology of Terror V, posted by AlM on Tue Dec 3 10:28:46 2019.

LOLAIM

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Re: Ology of Terror V

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 3 10:35:58 2019, in response to Re: Ology of Terror V, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Dec 3 10:24:04 2019.

I prefer neither. Both are oppressive and both are responsible for millions of deaths and horrible misery. Despite being on opposite ends of the political spectrum, they’re basically the same.

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Re: Giant snowman

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 3 10:36:46 2019, in response to Re: Giant snowman, posted by AlM on Tue Dec 3 10:27:52 2019.

Of course they did and certainly intended to. What do you think the maxim "Everything within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state" means??

On top of that, The Principles of Communism says this:
It is impossible, of course, to carry out all these measures at once. But one will always bring others in its wake. Once the first radical attack on private property has been launched, the proletariat will find itself forced to go ever further, to concentrate increasingly in the hands of the state all capital, all agriculture, all transport, all trade. All the foregoing measures are directed to this end; and they will become practicable and feasible, capable of producing their centralizing effects to precisely the degree that the proletariat, through its labor, multiplies the country’s productive forces.
Mussolini was a lifelong communist and would have been very aware of this principle as expounded by Friedrich Engels.

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Re: Ology of Terror V

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 3 10:38:24 2019, in response to Re: Ology of Terror V, posted by AlM on Tue Dec 3 10:28:46 2019.

And the correct answer to that question is: No, I haven’t.

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Re: Giant snowman

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 3 10:38:27 2019, in response to Re: Giant snowman, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Dec 3 10:30:15 2019.

There are plenty of psychopaths out there who pass as normal. Some have high intelligence too, but to quantify intelligence is very relative; it does not solely consist of knowing things you do not know.

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Re: Ology of Terror V

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Dec 3 10:39:14 2019, in response to Re: Ology of Terror V, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 3 10:35:58 2019.

"they’re basically the same." Correct. So we agree that there is very little difference between them.

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Re: Ology of Terror V

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 3 10:40:19 2019, in response to Re: Ology of Terror V, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Dec 3 10:39:14 2019.

Yes. We only disagree about their positions on the left-right spectrum.

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Re: Giant snowman

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 3 10:42:00 2019, in response to Re: Ology of Terror V, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Dec 3 10:24:04 2019.

There is no fundamental difference. The only difference is pandering to certain freedoms, e.g. religion, possession of (limited) private property, and suchlike.

In fact, communists themselves pander to national pride without admitting that they have embraced national socialism. Stalin's "socialism in one country" and China's "socialism with Chinese characteristics" are very Nazi-like.

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Re: Ology of Terror V

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Dec 3 10:48:25 2019, in response to Re: Ology of Terror V, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Dec 3 10:21:38 2019.

Democracy.

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Re: Ology of Terror V

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Dec 3 10:52:57 2019, in response to Re: Ology of Terror V, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Dec 3 10:48:25 2019.

So in other words your answer is neither?

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Re: Giant snowman

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Dec 3 10:53:26 2019, in response to Re: Giant snowman, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 3 10:42:00 2019.

iawtlp

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