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Posted by Dave on Sat Feb 16 12:53:38 2019 Political malpractice by Democratic leaders on the state Senate |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Feb 16 12:57:48 2019, in response to Political malpractice forced Amazon out of NYC, posted by Dave on Sat Feb 16 12:53:38 2019. I dunno, every day that goes by without Amazon announcing a replacement 2nd HQ, I wonder more if they realized they didn't need 2 facilities and scapegoated NY to save face. I find it difficult to believe that they would announce cancellation without a backup plan. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 16 13:27:13 2019, in response to Re: Political malpractice forced Amazon out of NYC, posted by Fred G on Sat Feb 16 12:57:48 2019. I agree. I think LIC was THEE backup plan to Fairfax County, and they didn't need two HQ2's. So they back out in a huff and point fingers. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Feb 16 15:18:59 2019, in response to Political malpractice forced Amazon out of NYC, posted by Dave on Sat Feb 16 12:53:38 2019. Fox Propaganda. I’m starting to doubt it. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Feb 16 17:46:35 2019, in response to Re: Political malpractice forced Amazon out of NYC, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Feb 16 15:18:59 2019. It's not black and white.Giannaris was probably over-aggressive. But wouldn't The Donald have said that's how you have to be when you're negotiating NYC real estate deals? Giannaris didn't say no, he just said let's talk. Amazon was a bunch of snowflakes. They've never seen an aggressive city before and they didn't know how to handle it. So they bailed. |
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Posted by Dan on Sat Feb 16 17:53:04 2019, in response to Re: Political malpractice forced Amazon out of NYC, posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 16 13:27:13 2019. It sounds like all of HQ2 is going to VA, with a piece in TN. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Feb 16 17:56:05 2019, in response to Political malpractice forced Amazon out of NYC, posted by Dave on Sat Feb 16 12:53:38 2019. Horrible politicians: Democrats. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Feb 16 17:56:30 2019, in response to Re: Political malpractice forced Amazon out of NYC, posted by AlM on Sat Feb 16 17:46:35 2019. Lol!! |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Feb 16 17:57:36 2019, in response to Re: Political malpractice forced Amazon out of NYC, posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 16 13:27:13 2019. If that makes the leftists feel better. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Feb 16 17:57:57 2019, in response to Re: Political malpractice forced Amazon out of NYC, posted by AlM on Sat Feb 16 17:46:35 2019. You're quoting Trump now? It turns out that Donald Trump was not a good real estate developer. |
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Posted by Dan on Sat Feb 16 18:02:20 2019, in response to Re: Political malpractice forced Amazon out of NYC, posted by AlM on Sat Feb 16 17:46:35 2019. The version I heard was that Gianaris wasn't returning Amazon's phone calls, or maybe it was Cousins. But who knows what really went on. Anyway NYC has put the UnWelcome Mat for any future corporate expansion into NYC.It's also starting to look like Amazon may shutter the S.I. distribution facility if the employees there vote to unionize. No Amazon distribution center in the US has ever unionized. If Amazon pulls out of that facility (they are tenants in Matrix Park) then I Ikea may cancel their plans to build a distribution center in Matrix Park. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Feb 16 18:14:30 2019, in response to Re: Political malpractice forced Amazon out of NYC, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Feb 16 17:57:57 2019. Of COURSE he is, personal shortcomings aside. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Feb 16 18:33:10 2019, in response to Re: Political malpractice forced Amazon out of NYC, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Feb 16 17:57:57 2019. I'm pointing out that all these right wingers who love Trump are upset that Giannaris was acting just like their hero would have. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Feb 16 18:34:52 2019, in response to Re: Political malpractice forced Amazon out of NYC, posted by AlM on Sat Feb 16 18:33:10 2019. Good point. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Feb 16 18:35:11 2019, in response to Re: Political malpractice forced Amazon out of NYC, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Feb 16 18:14:30 2019. LOL! |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Feb 16 18:36:06 2019, in response to Re: Political malpractice forced Amazon out of NYC, posted by Dan on Sat Feb 16 18:02:20 2019. The Times described calls between Cousins and Amazon. Don't know about Giannaris.Companies that will close a facility because the workers there vote to unionize are playing hardball. And people complain that Giannaris was an inflexible negotiator? |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 16 19:02:43 2019, in response to Re: Political malpractice forced Amazon out of NYC, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Feb 16 17:57:36 2019. So you right wingers like handing out welfare to billionaires ?If Bezos wants to build HQ2 built in LIC, he can finance it himself. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Feb 16 19:21:14 2019, in response to Re: Political malpractice forced Amazon out of NYC, posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 16 19:02:43 2019. Lol |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Feb 16 19:25:41 2019, in response to Re: Political malpractice forced Amazon out of NYC, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Feb 16 19:21:14 2019. Heh. There actually is a serious case to be made as to why NYC should have been bribing Amazon to locate a big building in NYC. But you don't even know how to make it.And you also can't explain why it's OK for Amazon to be an ultra-tough negotiator but not for Giannaris to be one. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Feb 16 19:37:35 2019, in response to Re: Political malpractice forced Amazon out of NYC, posted by AlM on Sat Feb 16 19:25:41 2019. I haven't followed this closely. Is that the spin now? NYC really did want amazon and was just negotiating? But Amazon wasn't NYC tough and couldn't handle negotiation? |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Feb 16 19:41:59 2019, in response to Re: Political malpractice forced Amazon out of NYC, posted by Easy on Sat Feb 16 19:37:35 2019. There wasn't one "NYC." Different people with a voice in the matter had different opinions as to how much ground Amazon should give. Some of the New Yorkers probably were way too aggressive.But it's plainly in the news that Amazon walked away from the negotiations. NYS and NYC didn't tell them no. Individual NYC politicians who didn't have the power to make the decision said they were opposed. What else is new? Nothing ever gets 100% approval in NYC. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 16 19:44:37 2019, in response to Re: Political malpractice forced Amazon out of NYC, posted by AlM on Sat Feb 16 19:41:59 2019. If Amazon was pressed to guarantee 25,000 jobs at $150K each, that could have caused them to cut and run. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Feb 16 19:50:19 2019, in response to Re: Political malpractice forced Amazon out of NYC, posted by AlM on Sat Feb 16 19:41:59 2019. Amazon asked for offers and NYC made one and amazon accepted. Why would there be a negotiation?It would be like showing up for work and your employer is playing hardball to renegotiate a salary that had already been agreed upon. What am I missing? |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Feb 16 19:53:06 2019, in response to Re: Political malpractice forced Amazon out of NYC, posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 16 19:44:37 2019. Interesting. You are under the impression that everyone that worked there would get the same salary? |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 16 19:58:36 2019, in response to Re: Political malpractice forced Amazon out of NYC, posted by Easy on Sat Feb 16 19:53:06 2019. No. But that was stated as the average salary. Same difference mathematically. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sat Feb 16 20:06:50 2019, in response to Re: Political malpractice forced Amazon out of NYC, posted by Easy on Sat Feb 16 19:50:19 2019. They were negotiating some of the nuts-and-bolts. Apparently it was more of a dealbreaker than they expected. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 16 20:34:00 2019, in response to Re: Political malpractice forced Amazon out of NYC, posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 16 13:27:13 2019. AOC is claiming victory and saying this is good and she stood up to Amazon. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Feb 16 20:37:32 2019, in response to Re: Political malpractice forced Amazon out of NYC, posted by Easy on Sat Feb 16 19:50:19 2019. NYC made one and amazon accepted.DeBlasio didn't have the power to make a binding offer on behalf of NYC. All he could do was say is "This is our offer; if you accept I will work as hard as I can for approval." Are you suggesting that Amazon's lawyers didn't properly check out the powers vested in the Mayor of the City of New York? |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Feb 16 20:43:19 2019, in response to Re: Political malpractice forced Amazon out of NYC, posted by AlM on Sat Feb 16 20:37:32 2019. Maybe the mayor and gov didn't properly research their powers to create a deal like this. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Feb 16 20:48:45 2019, in response to Re: Political malpractice forced Amazon out of NYC, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 16 20:34:00 2019. Of course she is. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Feb 16 21:01:49 2019, in response to Re: Political malpractice forced Amazon out of NYC, posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Feb 16 20:43:19 2019. You had said that the idea had not been passed through community organizations or something like that. That makes sense that they would object to a deal me and made without them |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Feb 16 21:03:07 2019, in response to Re: Political malpractice forced Amazon out of NYC, posted by Easy on Sat Feb 16 19:53:06 2019. Average salary LOL. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Feb 16 21:14:24 2019, in response to Re: Political malpractice forced Amazon out of NYC, posted by Fred G on Sat Feb 16 21:01:49 2019. Fact is that there are protocols to follow under the city law. It seems like a good deal of that was avoided. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Feb 16 21:15:31 2019, in response to Re: Political malpractice forced Amazon out of NYC, posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Feb 16 20:43:19 2019. Here is what the law provides for NYC commercial real estate tax abatements.Amazon clearly needed a special law to be passed. The Mayor doesn't pass laws; the City Council passes laws and the Mayor signs them. Do you think the Mayor and Governor don't know that? Similarly if the state was providing any special state tax abatements not available to any schlub of a company; they need to be passed by the legislature and signed by the governor. Do you really think Amazon's lawyers didn't know that the Amazon deal needed approval by the applicable legislatures? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Feb 16 21:20:33 2019, in response to Re: Political malpractice forced Amazon out of NYC, posted by AlM on Sat Feb 16 21:15:31 2019. South Africa had pass laws. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Feb 16 22:18:51 2019, in response to Re: Political malpractice forced Amazon out of NYC, posted by AlM on Sat Feb 16 21:15:31 2019. What I think is they strongarmed their way to a deal. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Feb 16 22:19:57 2019, in response to Re: Political malpractice forced Amazon out of NYC, posted by AlM on Sat Feb 16 21:15:31 2019. Perhaps thats why amazon split |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Feb 16 22:30:08 2019, in response to Political malpractice forced Amazon out of NYC, posted by Dave on Sat Feb 16 12:53:38 2019. I liked that he found a use for this line:Now they will suffer because the Democrats they just elected pulled defeat from the jaws of victory. (though the proper turn of phrase is "snatching defeat from the jaws of victory", I'll allow it). |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Feb 16 22:39:22 2019, in response to Re: Political malpractice forced Amazon out of NYC, posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 16 19:58:36 2019. Thanks. I understand that, but it's not what you wrote. I'm trying to understand what your concerns are. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Feb 17 05:58:34 2019, in response to Re: Political malpractice forced Amazon out of NYC, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Feb 16 20:48:45 2019. She sure showed them! (And us) |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Feb 17 06:52:41 2019, in response to Re: Political malpractice forced Amazon out of NYC, posted by Fred G on Sat Feb 16 12:57:48 2019. The more I read about this, the more convinced I am that Amazon was just a bunch of snowflakes.Stewart-Cousins nominated Giannaris to the panel. Cuomo didn't have to accept the nomination. And in fact, everyone expected him to reject it. Amazon asked S-C for a guarantee that her next nomination would be sure to support Amazon wholeheartedly. S-C told them they'd just have to wait the process out. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Feb 17 07:10:04 2019, in response to Re: Political malpractice forced Amazon out of NYC, posted by AlM on Sun Feb 17 06:52:41 2019. AOC is celebrating this. Did a victory lap in the media. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Feb 17 07:21:45 2019, in response to Re: Political malpractice forced Amazon out of NYC, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Feb 17 07:10:04 2019. And?Donald Trump is celebrating it too. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Feb 17 07:34:18 2019, in response to Re: Political malpractice forced Amazon out of NYC, posted by AlM on Sun Feb 17 07:21:45 2019. I doubt it. This isn't about Donald trump. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Feb 17 08:00:08 2019, in response to Re: Political malpractice forced Amazon out of NYC, posted by bingbong on Sun Feb 17 07:34:18 2019. Fox is telling Trump to think this will weaken his Democratic opposition. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Feb 17 08:01:15 2019, in response to Re: Political malpractice forced Amazon out of NYC, posted by bingbong on Sun Feb 17 07:34:18 2019. Fox is telling Trump to think this will weaken his Democratic opposition. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Feb 17 08:05:50 2019, in response to Re: Political malpractice forced Amazon out of NYC, posted by AlM on Sun Feb 17 08:00:08 2019. AOC is a prediction of mine.I predicted this years ago. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Feb 17 10:03:55 2019, in response to Re: Political malpractice forced Amazon out of NYC, posted by AlM on Sun Feb 17 08:00:08 2019. Really.....wasn't aware, don't have cable.Although being he's anti-legitimate-press I don't doubt he's seeing it as Amazon “losing”. I don't see any good coming out of this, either way. For anyone involved. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Feb 17 10:50:19 2019, in response to Re: Political malpractice forced Amazon out of NYC, posted by bingbong on Sun Feb 17 10:03:55 2019. Really.....wasn't aware, don't have cable.See the link in the original post. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Feb 17 10:51:57 2019, in response to Political malpractice forced Amazon out of NYC, posted by Dave on Sat Feb 16 12:53:38 2019. Badly researched piece.The analyses I've read in the past few days indicate that Amazon knew that Cuomo would not agree to appoint Giannaris to the review board. |
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