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Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Dec 14 22:04:30 2018

NBC News

Federal judge in Texas strikes down Affordable Care Act

In a ruling sure to be appealed to Supreme Court, Texas court says the ACA, also known as Obamacare, can no longer stand without the penalty against the uninsured.

Dec. 14, 2018 9:02 PM EST | Updated 9:34 PM EST | By David K. Li
A federal judge in Texas struck down the Affordable Care Act on Friday night, ruling that former President Barack Obama's signature domestic legislation has fallen down like a losing game of "Jenga."

U.S. District Judge Reed O’Connor in Fort Worth sided with the argument put forward by a coalition of Republican-leaning states, led by Texas, that Obamacare could no longer stand now that there's no penalty for Americans who don't buy insurance.

The U.S. Supreme Court had upheld the law in 2012, by classifying the legislation as a tax. But since Congress removed the individual mandate in 2017, O’Connor ruled, there's no way the ACA can be allowed to stand.

"The Individual Mandate can no longer be fairly read as an exercise of Congress's Tax Power and is still impermissible under the Interstate Commerce Clause — meaning the Individual Mandate is unconstitutional," O'Connor wrote. "The Individual Mandate is essential to and inseverable from the remainder of the ACA."

Without the system being upheld by a wide pool of mandated participants, the ACA cannot stand, O'Connor ruled.

"Without it, Congress and the Supreme Court have stated, the architectural design fails," according to O'Connor. "It is like watching a slow game of Jenga, each party poking at a different provision to see if the ACA falls."

President Donald Trump tweeted his approval Friday night.

"Wow, but not surprisingly, ObamaCare was just ruled UNCONSTITUTIONAL by a highly respected judge in Texas. Great news for America!" he wrote.

But Trump urged soon-to-be Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell to revamp the ACA and keep its most popular provisions such as protections for patients with pre-existing conditions.

"As I predicted all along, Obamacare has been struck down as an UNCONSTITUTIONAL disaster! Now Congress must pass a STRONG law that provides GREAT healthcare and protects pre-existing conditions. Mitch and Nancy, get it done!" Trump wrote,

States who fought the Republican effort to undercut the ACA vowed to keep fighting. An appeal is expected soon.

"Today’s ruling is an assault on 133 million Americans with pre-existing conditions, on the 20 million Americans who rely on the ACA for healthcare, and on America’s faithful progress toward affordable health care for all Americans,” California Attorney General Becerra said in a statement Friday night.

“The ACA has already survived more than 70 unsuccessful repeal attempts and withstood scrutiny in the Supreme Court. Today’s misguided ruling will not deter us: Our coalition will continue to fight in court for the health and well-being of all Americans."

O'Connor's decision came down just before the program's enrollment period ends on Saturday. But with appeals forthcoming, the ruling is not expected to immediately affect the millions of Americans signing up for coverage through the ACA, Obamacare backers said.

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Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional

Posted by bingbong on Fri Dec 14 22:11:32 2018, in response to Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Dec 14 22:04:30 2018.

Already started a thread.

Millions will die as a result of this, should it somehow stand.

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Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Dec 14 22:29:52 2018, in response to Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional, posted by bingbong on Fri Dec 14 22:11:32 2018.

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Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Fri Dec 14 22:35:41 2018, in response to Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Dec 14 22:29:52 2018.

wtf

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Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Fri Dec 14 22:36:42 2018, in response to Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional, posted by bingbong on Fri Dec 14 22:11:32 2018.

IAWTP

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Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional

Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Fri Dec 14 22:45:21 2018, in response to Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Fri Dec 14 22:36:42 2018.

Millions? You can't even count to 11 in polite company.

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Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Fri Dec 14 22:46:54 2018, in response to Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Fri Dec 14 22:45:21 2018.

bullshit
!!!!!!

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Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Dec 14 22:48:12 2018, in response to Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Fri Dec 14 22:45:21 2018.

Even worse if he tries to count to 11 in the binary system.

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Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional

Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Fri Dec 14 22:51:55 2018, in response to Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Dec 14 22:04:30 2018.

Perhaps the President now has his leverage for funding the wall.
🎼🎼
You gotta give a little

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Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional

Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Fri Dec 14 22:53:56 2018, in response to Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Dec 14 22:48:12 2018.

LOL

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Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional

Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Fri Dec 14 22:55:31 2018, in response to Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional, posted by bingbong on Fri Dec 14 22:11:32 2018.

We certainly are living in interesting times.

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Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Dec 14 23:37:04 2018, in response to Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Dec 14 22:48:12 2018.

Alpha Centauri is a binary system. It has 10 stars.

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Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional

Posted by Chicagomotorman on Fri Dec 14 23:56:57 2018, in response to Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Fri Dec 14 22:36:42 2018.

Figures

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Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Fri Dec 14 23:57:14 2018, in response to Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional, posted by Chicagomotorman on Fri Dec 14 23:56:57 2018.

FIGURES WHAT

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Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional

Posted by bingbong on Sat Dec 15 06:17:43 2018, in response to Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional, posted by Chicagomotorman on Fri Dec 14 23:56:57 2018.

You’re in favor of dead Americans? Litlle unpatriotic there, eh?

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Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional

Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Dec 15 08:54:25 2018, in response to Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional, posted by bingbong on Sat Dec 15 06:17:43 2018.



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Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional

Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Dec 15 08:56:19 2018, in response to Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Dec 14 22:04:30 2018.

Good.

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Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional

Posted by AlM on Sat Dec 15 09:35:47 2018, in response to Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Dec 14 22:48:12 2018.

What's special about 1011?

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Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional

Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sat Dec 15 10:05:09 2018, in response to Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Dec 15 08:56:19 2018.

When our President wanted Congress to fix the problem, they all acted little ke partisan hacks and nothing got done. Now they'll have to become more statesman like and get it done. The president will lead the way.

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Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional

Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Dec 15 12:47:05 2018, in response to Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Dec 14 22:04:30 2018.



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Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Dec 15 12:54:52 2018, in response to Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Dec 15 12:47:05 2018.

You do realize, of course, that if SCOTUS does kill ACA, your insurer will be perfectly free to kick you out if you have a "pre-existing condition", or if they just don't want to cover whatever malsdy might befall you?

Don't think it can't happen to you. Where insurer profits are concerned, no one is special or exempt, no matter their age, social status, or how long they've been a customer.

Only the independently wealthy are immune from this.

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Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional

Posted by Chicagomotorman on Sat Dec 15 13:03:13 2018, in response to Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Dec 15 12:54:52 2018.

I will never sell my soul to the devil.

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Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Dec 15 13:12:32 2018, in response to Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Dec 14 22:04:30 2018.

not good

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Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional

Posted by jimmymc25 on Sat Dec 15 13:18:07 2018, in response to Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional, posted by Chicagomotorman on Sat Dec 15 13:03:13 2018.

You already did.

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Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Dec 15 13:18:17 2018, in response to Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Dec 15 12:54:52 2018.

iawtp

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Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Dec 15 13:18:34 2018, in response to Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional, posted by jimmymc25 on Sat Dec 15 13:18:07 2018.

iawtp

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Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Dec 15 13:25:13 2018, in response to Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Dec 15 12:47:05 2018.

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Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Dec 15 13:25:35 2018, in response to Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sat Dec 15 10:05:09 2018.

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Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional

Posted by Chicagomotorman on Sat Dec 15 13:28:58 2018, in response to Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Dec 15 13:18:34 2018.

Figures

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Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional

Posted by Chicagomotorman on Sat Dec 15 13:30:11 2018, in response to Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Dec 15 13:25:13 2018.

WHAT

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Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional

Posted by Chicagomotorman on Sat Dec 15 13:30:30 2018, in response to Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Dec 15 13:25:35 2018.

WHATEVA

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Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Dec 15 13:32:31 2018, in response to Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional, posted by Chicagomotorman on Sat Dec 15 13:28:58 2018.

WHAT

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Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Dec 15 13:32:41 2018, in response to Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional, posted by Chicagomotorman on Sat Dec 15 13:30:11 2018.

YOU

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Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Dec 15 13:32:57 2018, in response to Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional, posted by Chicagomotorman on Sat Dec 15 13:30:30 2018.

YAY

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Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional

Posted by Chicagomotorman on Sat Dec 15 13:33:12 2018, in response to Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Dec 15 13:32:41 2018.

Me what?

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Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional

Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Dec 15 13:39:37 2018, in response to Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Dec 15 13:18:17 2018.

figures

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Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Dec 15 13:39:52 2018, in response to Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Dec 15 13:39:37 2018.

WHAT

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Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional

Posted by AlM on Sat Dec 15 14:44:18 2018, in response to Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional, posted by jimmymc25 on Sat Dec 15 13:18:07 2018.

I would characterize it more as a 4-year rental with a single option to renew.

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Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional

Posted by bingbong on Sat Dec 15 17:38:02 2018, in response to Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Dec 15 08:54:25 2018.

If you are insured through any exchange, it IS.

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Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Dec 15 17:42:07 2018, in response to Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional, posted by bingbong on Sat Dec 15 17:38:02 2018.

Auntie Em! Auntie Em!

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Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Dec 15 17:46:09 2018, in response to Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Dec 15 12:47:05 2018.

LOL

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Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Dec 15 17:47:51 2018, in response to Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Dec 15 12:54:52 2018.

You need to listen to Thre Little Birds!

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Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Dec 15 17:53:20 2018, in response to Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional, posted by Chicagomotorman on Sat Dec 15 13:33:12 2018.

you

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Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional

Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Dec 15 19:03:54 2018, in response to Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Dec 15 17:53:20 2018.

Me what?

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Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Dec 15 21:45:41 2018, in response to Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional, posted by bingbong on Fri Dec 14 22:11:32 2018.

"Millions will die as a result of this, should it somehow stand."

The ruling will not stand. SCOTUS will overturn. One reason might be that there is nothing in place and ready to be plugged in to replace it. Flawed as it may be, better Obamacare than nothing.
If I'm wrong, however; how did you arrive at the "Millions" figure as to who will die??

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Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional

Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sat Dec 15 21:54:04 2018, in response to Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Dec 15 21:45:41 2018.

Bingbong hopes that suddenly there will be millions of people with no health care who are also termanally I'll. Their death will be for a good cause, though. It'll prove her political histrionics correct. How hateful do you have to be to want millions to die to prove a political argument?

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Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional

Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sat Dec 15 21:54:35 2018, in response to Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Dec 15 21:45:41 2018.

Bingbong hopes that suddenly there will be millions of people with no health care who are also termanally ill. Their death will be for a good cause, though. It'll prove her political histrionics correct. How hateful do you have to be to want millions to die to prove a political argument?

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Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 15 22:32:19 2018, in response to Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Dec 15 21:45:41 2018.

That's utterly ridiculous. The alleged "nothing" that preceded Zerocare was better than Zerocare.

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Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional

Posted by bingbong on Sun Dec 16 08:17:44 2018, in response to Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Dec 15 12:54:52 2018.

That's how it is.

People with chronic disease get no benefit in going to the ER. That's the sole means to get healthcare for the uninsured.

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Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional

Posted by bingbong on Sun Dec 16 08:22:06 2018, in response to Re: Federal judge just ruled all of Obamacare unconstitutional, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Dec 15 17:42:07 2018.

Why couldn't that house fall on YOU?

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