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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Dec 5 19:59:44 2018 Have caused President Macron to back down. From Fox News ( http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/12/05/mark-steyn-paris-riots-over-gas-tax-hike-elites-can-afford-it-everyday-people-cannot) "Despite Prime Minister Edouard Philippe announcing a six-month delay in the fuel tax hike, which had been set to begin in January, protesters continued their offensive, insisting they won’t “settle for crumbs.” Just last week, more than 130 people were injured and 412 arrested in rioting in the French capital. Shops were looted and cars torched in posh neighborhoods around the famed Champs-Elysees. The Arc de Triomphe was sprayed with graffiti and vandalized. Officials say at least four people have been killed as a result of the protests."
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Wed Dec 5 20:06:03 2018, in response to Paris Riots, posted by Train Dude on Wed Dec 5 19:59:44 2018.* Yeah, for now. Monsieur European Army showed his true colors here; if he had that army he so wants, he would've turned it on the protesters in a heartbeat.
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Posted by Easy* on Wed Dec 5 20:09:11 2018, in response to Paris Riots, posted by Train Dude on Wed Dec 5 19:59:44 2018.* Anti-global warming riots. It’s amazing how little coverage this has gotten in the news.
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Posted by Fred G* on Wed Dec 5 20:16:38 2018, in response to Re: Paris Riots, posted by Easy on Wed Dec 5 20:09:11 2018.* It’s been in the news every day and it’s about fuel tax increases. I have to hand it to the French. Despite their reputation as military pussies, they get out and riot when they’re up to their teeth in taxes
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730* on Wed Dec 5 20:18:09 2018, in response to Re: Paris Riots, posted by Fred G on Wed Dec 5 20:16:38 2018.* Thinking about it, a pussy military is desirable if you're planning on up and rioting :).
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Posted by Train Dude* on Wed Dec 5 20:21:03 2018, in response to Re: Paris Riots, posted by Easy on Wed Dec 5 20:09:11 2018.* Perhaps when it starts spreading across Europe. Of course, gasoline around here is $2.41 a gallon thanks to increased production and energy independence. Oh wait - democrats now control the house. How long can it last?
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Posted by Fred G* on Wed Dec 5 20:23:58 2018, in response to Re: Paris Riots, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Dec 5 20:18:09 2018.* Ha ha true 😂
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Posted by Easy* on Wed Dec 5 20:25:43 2018, in response to Re: Paris Riots, posted by Fred G on Wed Dec 5 20:16:38 2018.* It’s been in the news less than Cardi B. It’s not been a major story for most major news sources. At least not on the Internet where I get my news. The tax is to reduce fuel consumption in response to global warming, no? I think that there are other things as well.
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Posted by AlM* on Wed Dec 5 20:31:24 2018, in response to Re: Paris Riots, posted by Easy on Wed Dec 5 20:25:43 2018.* Yes, but the protestors aren't saying that global warming isn't real. They are saying they can't afford to bear the burden through higher taxes.
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Posted by Easy* on Wed Dec 5 20:32:48 2018, in response to Re: Paris Riots, posted by AlM on Wed Dec 5 20:31:24 2018.* I know. They are saying that real or not the solution isn’t economically viable. Like many republicans might say.
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Posted by AlM* on Wed Dec 5 20:40:10 2018, in response to Re: Paris Riots, posted by Easy on Wed Dec 5 20:32:48 2018.* There are non-regressive, tax-neutral approaches to reducing carbon consumption. Like increasing fuel taxes and lowering sales taxes at the same time. Sounds like Macron forgot about the offsetting portion of the taxes.
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Posted by Train Dude* on Wed Dec 5 20:42:20 2018, in response to Re: Paris Riots, posted by AlM on Wed Dec 5 20:40:10 2018.* Liberals give up a tax. Mmmmmm Yeah!
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Posted by LuchAAA* on Wed Dec 5 20:43:00 2018, in response to Paris Riots, posted by Train Dude on Wed Dec 5 19:59:44 2018.* People who fly all over, are mad about what they actually contribute to.
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Posted by Train Dude* on Wed Dec 5 20:46:18 2018, in response to Re: Paris Riots, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 5 20:43:00 2018.* Flying this weekend and I'm not going to be mad
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Posted by Fred G* on Wed Dec 5 21:06:57 2018, in response to Re: Paris Riots, posted by Easy on Wed Dec 5 20:25:43 2018.* I can't speak for your news feed but I've seen it every day since the riots began. That's why I know it's about the fuel tax and not some "anti-global warming" thingy 😂
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Posted by LuchAAA* on Wed Dec 5 21:32:53 2018, in response to Re: Paris Riots, posted by Train Dude on Wed Dec 5 20:46:18 2018.* Same people who fly to Costa Rican vegan yoga retreat, party in Mallorca, or visit an orangutans sanctuary in Africa are protesting and would never stay local to fight what they are protesting.
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Posted by Easy* on Wed Dec 5 21:33:35 2018, in response to Re: Paris Riots, posted by Fred G on Wed Dec 5 21:06:57 2018.* The taxes were in response to global warming. Sounds like your news feeds need a reboot. Or maybe you just like your news told a certain way. Most do.
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Posted by Train Dude* on Wed Dec 5 21:37:37 2018, in response to Re: Paris Riots, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 5 21:32:53 2018.* Not flying to Costa Rica this weekend. Flying to the Gold Coast of New Jersey for All You can eat Crab legs and prime rib. Vegans can watch
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Posted by Easy* on Wed Dec 5 21:40:06 2018, in response to Re: Paris Riots, posted by AlM on Wed Dec 5 20:40:10 2018.* Or they could offer incentives for doing what they consider to be the right thing. But raising the cost is tried and true. Make it more expensive and the rest will sort itself out over time.
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Posted by LuchAAA* on Wed Dec 5 21:40:59 2018, in response to Re: Paris Riots, posted by Train Dude on Wed Dec 5 21:37:37 2018.* Sorry to hear you're flying. You need a new dietary direction.
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Posted by Train Dude* on Wed Dec 5 21:43:26 2018, in response to Re: Paris Riots, posted by AlM on Wed Dec 5 20:40:10 2018.* "Like increasing fuel taxes and lowering sales taxes at the same time." Ah the Ocasio-Cortez school of economics. You increase fuel taxes and cut sales tax. So its cost neutral and people can still afford their gasoline. So what have you gained? LOL, you should actually run for her seat in congress.
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Posted by Train Dude* on Wed Dec 5 21:49:48 2018, in response to Re: Paris Riots, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 5 21:40:59 2018.* I love flying, even the 24 minutes to Atlantic City. I'll fight out the dietary thing with my doctor at my next 50,000 mile check up.
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Posted by Fred G* on Wed Dec 5 21:50:06 2018, in response to Re: Paris Riots, posted by Easy on Wed Dec 5 21:33:35 2018.* I don't think a newsfeed that's kept me informed on the subject needs a reboot but that's just me. The taxes were in response to global warming. The riots, which we were discussing, were a response to being overly taxed on fuel. They weren't rioting against global warming.
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730* on Wed Dec 5 23:50:44 2018, in response to Re: Paris Riots, posted by AlM on Wed Dec 5 20:40:10 2018.* That would have worked if the goal actually was to influence behavior like it said on the tin, instead of a straight up money grab. FWIW Gov Christie tried to do exactly that in NJ - increase the gas tax to pay for transportation while lowering the sales tax to increase economic activity (and provide a reason for people to go to Jersey to replace the low gas prices lure). The Dems refused to play ball until the bill neutered the sales tax decrease to the point where it was unnoticeable (I think it went down .125 percent or something similarly meaningless). Of course, the Dems had good reason to gimp the sales tax cut - their favorite pet programs are funded from the sales tax, whereas the gas tax actually had to go to transportation.
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Posted by AlM* on Thu Dec 6 02:03:40 2018, in response to Re: Paris Riots, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Dec 5 23:50:44 2018.* That would have worked if the goal actually was to influence behavior like it said on the tin, instead of a straight up money grab. So you know Macron's motives? To my mind, he is an inexperienced politician who might easily just have made a very big mistake.
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Posted by AlM* on Thu Dec 6 02:12:37 2018, in response to Re: Paris Riots, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Dec 5 23:50:44 2018.* I should add that I also think Macron is an out of touch elitist who probably had no conception of how close to the edge many French people are, and couldn't conceive of the tax actually causing misery, rather than just influencing behavior as economics says it does.
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Posted by LuchAAA* on Thu Dec 6 03:58:28 2018, in response to Re: Paris Riots, posted by AlM on Thu Dec 6 02:12:37 2018.* lo@lm! NY Times had story about weight lifting and heart disease. You never post their good stuff.
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Posted by Dan* on Thu Dec 6 12:42:49 2018, in response to Re: Paris Riots, posted by Fred G on Wed Dec 5 20:23:58 2018.* They may have a Pussy Army but France is a nuclear power.
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/* on Thu Dec 6 12:44:39 2018, in response to Paris Riots, posted by Train Dude on Wed Dec 5 19:59:44 2018.*
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Posted by AlM* on Thu Dec 6 12:57:07 2018, in response to Re: Paris Riots, posted by Dan on Thu Dec 6 12:42:49 2018.* I don't think that nuking the protestors is a possible tactic.
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Posted by chicagomotorman* on Thu Dec 6 13:08:18 2018, in response to Re: Paris Riots, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Thu Dec 6 12:44:39 2018.* I've been to Paris.
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/* on Thu Dec 6 14:35:54 2018, in response to Re: Paris Riots, posted by chicagomotorman on Thu Dec 6 13:08:18 2018.* allright !!!!
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730* on Fri Dec 7 05:55:55 2018, in response to Re: Paris Riots, posted by AlM on Thu Dec 6 12:57:07 2018.* Tell that to Eric Swalwell.
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Posted by AlM* on Fri Dec 7 08:17:13 2018, in response to Re: Paris Riots, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Dec 7 05:55:55 2018.* Huh?
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730* on Fri Dec 7 23:01:24 2018, in response to Re: Paris Riots, posted by AlM on Fri Dec 7 08:17:13 2018.* Google his name + nuke, and be enlightened. He was the California Rep who suggested nuking gun owners to enforce gun control.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Sat Dec 8 00:06:00 2018, in response to Re: Paris Riots, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Dec 7 23:01:24 2018.* Very few of the mainstream media outlets covered that. They want to keep certain things quiet, particularly Swalwell's totalitarian views. Joe Biggs: So basically @RepSwalwell wants a war. Because that’s what you would get. You’re outta your f---ing mind if you think I’ll give up my rights and give the gov all the power. Swalwell’s reply: And it would be a short war my friend. The government has nukes. Too many of them. But they’re legit. I’m sure if we talked we could find common ground to protect our families and communities. Yes, Swalwell certainly did say that the government would use nukes to cut a war he starts with the US populace over gun rights short.
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Posted by AlM* on Sat Dec 8 09:16:17 2018, in response to Re: Paris Riots, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Dec 7 23:01:24 2018.* Joke.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sat Dec 8 09:50:50 2018, in response to Re: Paris Riots, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Dec 7 23:01:24 2018.*
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE* on Sat Dec 8 10:10:43 2018, in response to Re: Paris Riots, posted by AlM on Sat Dec 8 09:16:17 2018.* Hardly a joke. It was a threat but force was exaggerated.
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE* on Sat Dec 8 10:16:14 2018, in response to Paris Riots, posted by Train Dude on Wed Dec 5 19:59:44 2018.* See it as a bwarning to scummy libertards here.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Sat Dec 8 10:22:28 2018, in response to Re: Paris Riots, posted by Dan on Thu Dec 6 12:42:49 2018.* They still have the Foreign Legion.
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