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Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs |
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Posted by FtgreeneG on Tue Dec 4 15:04:38 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by Dave on Tue Dec 4 07:29:07 2018. LOL |
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Posted by FtgreeneG on Tue Dec 4 15:07:08 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 4 10:08:07 2018. Of course it is. I mean i've seen men sue women for sexual harassment as well.Usually not taken as seriously which is a shame. |
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Posted by FtgreeneG on Tue Dec 4 15:11:33 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by AlM on Tue Dec 4 09:17:16 2018. I agree just keep interactions professional and there's nothing yo misinterpret. The thing women will miss out on however is businesses like those in the article is many potential deals and interactions with clients are done over social interactions. Gold, dinner/lunch at a restaurant etc. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Dec 4 15:19:01 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by FtgreeneG on Tue Dec 4 15:11:33 2018. Women have always been disadvantaged in those types of interactions. It was worse when business deals took place at social clubs where women were not permitted. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Dec 4 15:27:01 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by AlM on Tue Dec 4 15:19:01 2018. Stop being a white knight. |
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Posted by FtgreeneG on Tue Dec 4 15:33:11 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by AlM on Tue Dec 4 15:19:01 2018. True but even moreso now. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Dec 4 15:36:10 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by FtgreeneG on Tue Dec 4 15:33:11 2018. Women have created the hostile environment. |
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Posted by FtgreeneG on Tue Dec 4 15:39:28 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Dec 4 15:36:10 2018. Do what's your solution? Women should shut up about being sexually harrassed to not 'shake things up'? |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Tue Dec 4 15:57:47 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by Dan on Tue Dec 4 14:19:44 2018. That's wholely unrealistic. The potential attraction between Men and women who are thrown together for 40 hours each week get to know each other far better than some alcohol tinted 30 minute meeting at some bar. As long as they both are on equal planes and are not violating company policy, it is what it is. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Tue Dec 4 16:04:33 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by Dan on Tue Dec 4 14:19:44 2018. That's wholely unrealistic. The potential attraction between Men and women who are thrown together for 40 hours each week get to know each other far better than some alcohol tinted 30 minute meeting at some bar. As long as they both are on equal planes and are not violating company policy, it is what it is. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Dec 4 16:26:28 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Dec 4 14:41:33 2018. Well, it's the truth and there's nothing wrong with it! When in Rome, do as the Romans do. If I was visiting or living in a different part of the world, I would have to adapt to their ways, not the other way around. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Dec 4 16:38:05 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Dec 4 13:01:46 2018. If a woman I meet on business is dressed in a burkha, I'll know not to extend my hand to her. If she's dressed like an ordinary American woman, she can deal with it. Strictly Orthodox Jewish men and women have been dealing with it for ages. |
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Posted by transitbuff on Tue Dec 4 16:52:01 2018, in response to Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 3 22:29:54 2018. In regard to the opening post...THIS AVOIDANCE SHOULD HAVE BEGUN MANY DECADES AGO!!! |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Dec 4 16:52:53 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by Fred G on Tue Dec 4 15:02:48 2018. Correct, but it takes hundreds of thousands of years to achieve, not 40 years. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Dec 4 17:28:02 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Tue Dec 4 16:04:33 2018. I've banged co-workers before. It happens.😎 |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Tue Dec 4 17:33:03 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Dec 4 17:28:02 2018. It happens most places. So long as there is no I'm balance in power and no quid pro quo expected, it works ok. It's when the women expect to not work their job that problems arise. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Dec 4 19:28:44 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by AlM on Tue Dec 4 16:38:05 2018. Everyone gets treated the same across the board. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Dec 4 19:43:48 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Dec 4 19:28:44 2018. Rude and unnecessary.That doesn't mean I go way out of my way in the other direction either. I am definitely far less likely to patronize a store if the people working there can't speak English well enough to conduct business. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 4 19:51:11 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Dec 4 19:28:44 2018. No, they don't in your world. Just look at your behavior here. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 4 20:34:08 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Dec 4 17:28:02 2018. Does your wife know about this? |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Dec 4 22:08:39 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by AlM on Tue Dec 4 19:43:48 2018. It is not. We can NEVER be equal unless we treat everyone equal! |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Tue Dec 4 22:41:09 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 4 20:34:08 2018. What the fuck is it your business? That's between him and his wife. You gonna write her a poison pen letter, too? |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Dec 4 23:16:43 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 4 19:51:11 2018. I treat everyone here with the same love and respect. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Dec 4 23:18:33 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 4 20:34:08 2018. I got married in my mid 30s. I've been in the workforce since my early 20s. So not that it's any of your business, but I'm sure you can figure out what time period I was talking about. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Dec 5 00:06:50 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Dec 4 17:28:02 2018. It certainly does |
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Posted by Dan on Wed Dec 5 11:07:36 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Tue Dec 4 16:04:33 2018. But all a guy needs is for that one female co-worker to fabricate a sexual assault story like Christine Blasey Ford did. No witnesses (at a party), no corroboration, nothing. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Dec 5 11:24:52 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by Dan on Wed Dec 5 11:07:36 2018. Nonsense.Ford had corroboration, though it was weak. So did every other accuser of a prominent person who actually got into trouble as a result of an accusation. And by the way, there is nothing that stops a vengeful male colleague from falsely accusing a man of making improper homosexual advances. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 5 11:26:56 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by Dan on Wed Dec 5 11:07:36 2018. How would there be no witnesses at a party? Remember that Blasey-Ford's testimony had no effect on Kavanaugh, who was still confirmed. So if her testimony was false, the system worked. Note that no one remembered Blasey-Ford being at the party, which helped make her testimony less credible.And you're implying that the god-awful bar scene is somehow less risky. There are just different risks. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Dec 5 11:32:57 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 5 11:26:56 2018. Had no effect on him? I guess if you had a wife and children you might not be so flip about that remark. Even the average Joe Schmuck who gets accused of sexual harassment on the job ends up having his family dragged into it. Kavanaugh had his wife and daughters dragged into it in the national media. Yeah - it had no effect on his career. Tell that to Clarence Thomas and his asterisk in the history books. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 5 11:36:21 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by Train Dude on Wed Dec 5 11:32:57 2018. His family wasn't dragged into anything. As for his relationship with his wife, if his wife believes Blasey-Ford, then maybe the allegations were true?Clarence Thomas has served for 27 years as an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States. Do you believe that there was some sort of promotion he was passed up for because of the prior allegations? Would he have been Chief Justice by now? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Dec 5 11:41:55 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 5 11:36:21 2018. I suspect that you are playing your willful ignorance game again. Like I said, if you ever have a wife and family, you may someday understand. As for Clarence Thomas: (Second paragraph in Wikipedia)Toward the end of the confirmation hearings, behavior allegations by Anita Hill, a law professor who had previously worked under Thomas at the United States Department of Education and then at the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC), were leaked to the media from a confidential FBI report. The allegations led to a media frenzy about sexual harassment, and further investigations. Televised hearings were re-opened and held by the Senate Judiciary Committee before the nomination was moved to the full, Democratic-controlled, Senate for a vote.[3] Thomas was confirmed by a narrow majority of 52 to 48. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 5 11:59:52 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by Train Dude on Wed Dec 5 11:41:55 2018. And? He was confirmed. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 6 14:21:40 2018, in response to Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 3 22:29:54 2018. Sydney MGTOW just did a great you tube response to this.#mgtow |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 6 14:25:21 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by transitbuff on Tue Dec 4 16:52:01 2018. It never used to be as risky.Men used to be able to bang hot young secretaries. Women benefited from the financial resources they married in to. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Dec 7 05:59:13 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by AlM on Tue Dec 4 11:32:58 2018. Yes. However Google recently has just passed the 50/50 mark by which more "employees" are actually consultants rather than FTEs. When employers tie one hand behind their back w/r/t hiring the best candidate for the job, you either end up with consultants doing the actual work or catastrophic failure. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Dec 7 07:13:42 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Dec 7 05:59:13 2018. But even in terms of contractors they get to choose which ones they keep on. And that will be determined by ability, not political views. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Dec 7 10:03:48 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Dec 7 05:59:13 2018. … consultants rather than FTEsYeah; I didn't think that Google had too many freight train enthusiasts. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Dec 8 04:16:48 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by AlM on Fri Dec 7 07:13:42 2018. Yes, that's exactly what I mean - it's the loophole around byzantine hiring policies. Their official hiring policy can be as PC as they want, with consultants completely bypassing it. They put forth a call to the consulting company, who sends on-paper qualified individuals, and they toss back the dead weight.To simplify the problem and/or solution: Lets say a company decrees that going forward, they will have exactly a 50/50 male-female split. However due to the nature of the business (let's say it's something unsexy like trash pickup) of every 10 applicants they get 9 are male and 1 is female. Even if every female is qualified and only 4 the males are, it will still be very difficult to have a 50/50 split. However, lets say they only do 5 rounds of hiring, each time grabbing the most qualified male and the sole female, they will have 10 FTEs at a 50/50 split. Then, they can use some form of subcontractor or temp agency to provide the rest, which will skew extremely male. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Dec 8 09:24:16 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Dec 8 04:16:48 2018. I won't argue your point. But I was responding to a claim about Google actively hiring people with left wing beliefs, not hiring 50% women, or 10% blacks, or 6% gays, or whatever. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Dec 8 09:37:39 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Dec 8 04:16:48 2018. There's no equivalence. It's thejobsat places like a google, Wall St et.al....high paying jobs that enable a person to generate the kind of wealth that enables them to start out on their own. At thatpoint, they can direct funds to individual entrepreneurs broadening the distribution of said wealth, as opposed to further concentrating it.A woman is more likely to fund an enterprise run by women, a minority is more likely to fund an enterprise run by a minority, and so on. |
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