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Posted by American Pig on Wed Sep 27 16:45:41 2006, in response to Re: Whats Happening to Coney Island?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Sep 25 01:48:34 2006. Casino gambling is legal in only one part of that state. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Sep 27 20:36:24 2006, in response to Re: Whats Happening to Coney Island?, posted by Transit Guy on Wed Sep 27 15:33:37 2006. From the photos, it appeared much MUCH worse on the inside than the Loews Kings. The Loews Kings needs works, but it's far from "in shambles". The Loew's Kings is more a "diamond in the rough", the Loews Shores IS in shambles, the Kings is not.From the photos though, it is probably repairable, or at least appears to be. I would compare the photos of the Loews Shore to interior shots of the New Amsterdam I have seen from before the renovation. (Probably much worse than the New Amsterdam though, as there is a lot of plaster missing from the ceiling). All the seats are ripped out in the shore, the walls are black, and the plaster deteriorating. The juliet balconies have been ripped out (but so were the New Amsterdam's, and they were replicated in the renovation). I think the Shore may have been closed a lot longer than the Kings was, so thus much MUCH worse. There is lots and lots of water damage (perhaps severe, but it's hard to tell from a photo) on the plaster on the ceiling of the auditorium from what I remember from the photos, so water is or was seaping in through the roof for years. The water damage was so severe, that the entire top of the procenium arch over the stage/screen has fallen to the ground, and all the plaster above it, till it reached the center dome of the ceiling. There is also large chunks of plaster missing from above the right hand Juliet balcony arched area too. The damge above the stage and top of procenium arch is SEVERE, as it's all gone there from the water damage, it has fallen to the floor. The balcony railing ballistrades appeared to be intact, although all the seats are gone there too. The theater will take millions, if not a billion to repair. It's really in very sad shape inside. We can only ask that either Mark or RIPTAHope would repost their photos, but that of course would be their call. |
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Posted by Transit Guy on Wed Sep 27 21:22:42 2006, in response to Re: Whats Happening to Coney Island?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Sep 27 20:36:24 2006. My only reaction :OBoth theatres need attention and tragically they are both deteriorating fast and if this continues, there will be no point in renovating. I hope they fix both. On a side note: of all the wonder theatres the Kings is the last remaining to be back. We lost the Valencia and 175th (Wish they were still theatres but they are still intact atleast). Thankfully the Paradise and Jersey city are back and/or coming back. All thats left is the Kings. The Shore theatre itself from what I am hearing needs work very fast before its declared unsafe to be up like the Thunderbolt rollercoaster. Thanks a lot for the info. (one quick thing again, isn't the King worse I hear it has a hole in the roof, bad seats etc.?) Thanks |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Sep 27 21:33:39 2006, in response to Re: Whats Happening to Coney Island?, posted by Transit Guy on Wed Sep 27 21:22:42 2006. I have seen only photos of the inside of the SHore, and yes, I would probably agree, if it is to be saved, it will have to be soon, as from the photos, again, it is very close to the point of no return.The Kings on the other hand, I have seen photos and video footage, and while it is definitely in the need of lots of help, it certainly doesn't appear to have reached the shambles that the Shore is in. Seats are the least of the problems, but there are NO seats in the Shore. And there is a HUGE hole in the ceiling above the old stage/screen, and huge section has fallen to the floor. I guess it could be reinstalled, but it could be to the point that the rest of the ceiling, while still up, is also ready to fall too. When one section is lose, I am sure the remaining parts may be too. I don't believe the Kings has gotten to that point yet, not even close. DOn't get me wrong, the Kings needs help, and needs it soon, however, it has a lot more going for it yet than the Shore does. I think it "could" almost be too far for the Shore already. if not, it's at the cusp. BTW, even though they don't show movies, we certainly didn't lose either the Valencia or the 175th. Both theaters are in impeccible condition, and maintained beautifully, even if by churches. Churches like that could be a God-sent (pun intended) for these old theaters. If not for the churches taking them over, they would have surely been lost or gutted. Look at the old Loews Bushwick on Broadway in Bushwick, and it's nearby cousin the Loews Gates theater too. They weren't "wonder theaters" like the other 7, but they certainly were beutiful theaters. WHen the Bushwick closed in 1969, a church soon took over. Then some years later, the Loews Gates closed, and for some reason the congregation moved into the Gates when it became available instead. That left the Bushwick Vacant, at which time it spent the next 30 years falling into shambles, until finally put out of it's misery, and gutted inside, and at least it's shell remains as the Acorn School. The moral? The Loews Gates theater is completely intact and alive and well....even if a church..... it sure obtained a much nicer fate than the Bushwick did.... |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Thu Sep 28 09:10:52 2006, in response to Re: Whats Happening to Coney Island?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Sep 24 18:40:51 2006. Disney was lured to do Penns Landing in Philly too. Just like Chicago and other cities it was supposed to be a Disneyquest I think. Politics killed the project.Which is good as they all closed except for Orlando and Chicago. If it was gonna be an entertainment and bar district like Pleasure Island, imo you were better off not getting it. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Sep 28 09:13:40 2006, in response to Re: Whats Happening to Coney Island?, posted by orange blossom special on Thu Sep 28 09:10:52 2006. Who says it was going to be a Pleasure Island-like bar district? I have no idea, did you hear something like that? |
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Posted by Transit Guy on Thu Sep 28 16:31:19 2006, in response to Re: Whats Happening to Coney Island?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Sep 26 14:46:18 2006. i forgot what that use to be. What was it before all the graffiti and its closure? Does anyone know what will happen to this building and whats inside? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Sep 28 20:57:30 2006, in response to Re: Whats Happening to Coney Island?, posted by Transit Guy on Thu Sep 28 16:31:19 2006. I believe that was originaly a "Child's Restaurant", which was a popular chain restaurant "back in the day". I don't know what it's last incarnation was, or if it has been closed since Child's went out of business. Either way, I am sure it's not in good shape inside. |
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Posted by Transit Guy on Thu Sep 28 21:03:11 2006, in response to Re: Whats Happening to Coney Island?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Sep 28 20:57:30 2006. The building itself when you look has great detail but its being covered with grafiti. I think they should fix this one fast as well. I hope Coney Island gets the treatment soon. We have to save as much as we can. Thanks |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 30 13:01:24 2006, in response to Re: Whats Happening to Coney Island?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Sep 27 21:33:39 2006. Someone just reposted photos from the Shore Theater at cinematreasures, here they are. And these they say were taken in 2004, I'm sure it didn't get batter in those two years since....These really show how bad the place really is. I'm afraid nothing short of Disney could help this place: Here's a photo of the ceiling completely fallen down at the top of the procenium arch, and over the stage, right up to the center of the ceiling circle:  Here's another photo, showing all the water damage in the balcony area:  The Kings is bad, but not as bad as the shore. I'm afraid nothing short of a miracle will help the place at this point. |
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Posted by BIE on Sat Sep 30 13:17:14 2006, in response to Re: Whats Happening to Coney Island?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 30 13:01:24 2006. Damn, the place looks like it took a missle. |
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Posted by Transit Guy on Sat Sep 30 13:24:12 2006, in response to Re: Whats Happening to Coney Island?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 30 13:01:24 2006. Oh man, thats worse than I really thought. That is pretty bad, now thats just crying for a restoration/renovation. Thanks for the photos. But are you sure nothing can be done to the interior. Isn't there an organization like the Friends of Loews who can help this stuff. I mean they did fix the Jersey City so why not the Shore even the Kings. The city should do something fast to save this great place. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 30 16:52:45 2006, in response to Re: Whats Happening to Coney Island?, posted by Transit Guy on Sat Sep 30 13:24:12 2006. With money, anything can be done, so sure it's definitely possible to salvage. ANd sinced it's so bad, it will take a lot. Even the plaster that hasn't dropped yet may be loose enough from all the neglect and water that it may not be salvagable either. I'm not an engineer, and of course I haven't seen it first hand, but when large sections of plaster have come down (such as what happened over the stage), it's not good.It better be soon, as each year it gets worse and worse. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 30 16:54:41 2006, in response to Re: Whats Happening to Coney Island?, posted by BIE on Sat Sep 30 13:17:14 2006. And these aren't all the photos. These are just some of the ones someone reposted. There were a whole bunch posted there by RiptaHope and Mark, but unfortuantely they are all down. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Sep 30 18:56:50 2006, in response to Re: Whats Happening to Coney Island?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Sep 27 21:33:39 2006. Loews Bushwick?Thought it was the RKO Bushwick... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 30 20:21:10 2006, in response to Re: Whats Happening to Coney Island?, posted by Edwards! on Sat Sep 30 18:56:50 2006. Haha, sorry, that was a typo. It's the Loews Gates, and the RKO Bushwick....I noticed it after I posted, but didn't feel it was worth a correction post, but since you brought it up....it was definitely an RKO. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Oct 1 01:49:01 2006, in response to Re: Whats Happening to Coney Island?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 30 20:21:10 2006. Right. |
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Childs Restaurant on the Boardwalk...Re: Whats Happening to Coney Island? |
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Posted by heypaul on Sun Oct 1 05:30:06 2006, in response to Re: Whats Happening to Coney Island?, posted by Transit Guy on Thu Sep 28 21:03:11 2006. The building on the boardwalk is one of 2 Childs Restaurants that were in Coney Island. According to Kevin Walsh's book, it was built in 1924 for Childs by architects Ethan Dennison and Frederic Hirons "with an exterior of soft stucco and four marble columns emphasized by four multicolored rondels depicting King Neptune; a Venetian galleon: the Golden Hind, the flagship of Queen Elizabeth's fleet; and two fish swimming in rough seas. This Childs branch closed in the 1950's and later became a candy factory. In 2003, it was, thankfully declared a landmark." A couple of years ago, I rode past Childs on my bike, and couldn't believe my eyes. The entire front had been redone and there were signs that it had become a community center. I was amazed and mentioned it on a Coney Island messageboard and was embarrassed to learn that it was being used as a movie set for Sandra Bullock's "Two Weeks Notice".   |
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Fuhgeddaboudit Disney...Thor Equities is the Player in Coney...Re: Whats Happening to Coney Island? |
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Posted by heypaul on Sun Oct 1 05:39:34 2006, in response to Re: Whats Happening to Coney Island?, posted by orange blossom special on Thu Sep 28 09:10:52 2006. About a year ago, there was a long article in New York Magazine about Thor Equities and their plans for a large parcel of land that they purchased in Coney Island. http://www.newyorkmetro.com/nymetro/realestate/features/14498/ |
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Posted by heypaul on Sun Oct 1 05:58:12 2006, in response to Fuhgeddaboudit Disney...Thor Equities is the Player in Coney...Re: Whats Happening to Coney Island?, posted by heypaul on Sun Oct 1 05:39:34 2006. Here's one architect's vision of a new Coney Island. http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/showpost.php?p=111480&postcount=232 |
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Re: Fuhgeddaboudit Disney...Thor Equities is the Player in Coney...Re: Whats Happening to Coney Isla |
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Posted by Transit Guy on Sun Oct 1 07:54:48 2006, in response to Re: Fuhgeddaboudit Disney...Thor Equities is the Player in Coney...Re: Whats Happening to Coney Island?, posted by heypaul on Sun Oct 1 05:58:12 2006. Wow thats interesting, where exactly was this suppose to be and do you know if they still own the land? Thanks |
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Re: Childs Restaurant on the Boardwalk...Re: Whats Happening to Coney Island? |
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Posted by Transit Guy on Sun Oct 1 07:58:54 2006, in response to Childs Restaurant on the Boardwalk...Re: Whats Happening to Coney Island?, posted by heypaul on Sun Oct 1 05:30:06 2006. Wait Childs restaurant is declared a landmark? So why not restore/renovate into something useful. Why let it deteriorate? Thanks |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 1 08:23:05 2006, in response to Childs Restaurant on the Boardwalk...Re: Whats Happening to Coney Island?, posted by heypaul on Sun Oct 1 05:30:06 2006. Hey that's pretty cool. The movie company even cleaned it up a bit. I wonder what movie that will be.Although, unfortunatley, once the movie company left, it probably had to be boarded up again. At least it got a mini-clean up. |
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Posted by Transit Guy on Sun Oct 1 09:43:28 2006, in response to Re: Childs Restaurant on the Boardwalk...Re: Whats Happening to Coney Island?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 1 08:23:05 2006. I bet it will get tagged up back though. Unfortunetly that is usually the case. So wait is this a landmark now? |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Oct 1 10:05:28 2006, in response to Re: Childs Restaurant on the Boardwalk...Re: Whats Happening to Coney Island?, posted by Transit Guy on Sun Oct 1 07:58:54 2006. Wait Childs restaurant is declared a landmark? So why not restore/renovate into something useful. Why let it deteriorate? ThanksLandmarking means that a building has some historical or architectural significance. It does not necessarily mean that the building is suitable for conversion into some economicially viable use. My LIRR/NYCT blog |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 1 12:07:14 2006, in response to Re: Whats Happening to Coney Island?, posted by Transit Guy on Sat Sep 30 13:24:12 2006. Actually, while we were talking about the Loews Kings, and how beautiful it was, here's a GREAT video here about the Kings. Dial up users, don't even bother, because it will even take a few minutes to load for broadband users, but man, is it WORTH the wait. It has CURRENT interior video of the Kings. Again, it needs some help, but it's definitely not as bad or even near as bad as the old SHore Theater (Loews COney Island).Anyway, here's the video, it's WORTH the wait, it contains both current and historical footage: http://www.planetplg.com/docs/LoewsKings.mp4 |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Oct 1 20:37:34 2006, in response to Re: Whats Happening to Coney Island?, posted by L Train on Sat Sep 23 22:12:15 2006. That's why there's Six Flags in Jersey or Disney World in Fla are for. Why change something that's still fine? |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Oct 1 20:40:44 2006, in response to Whats Happening to Coney Island?, posted by Transit Guy on Sat Sep 23 21:41:26 2006. I heard of this report a few years ago. never happened, but it would've been pretty cool if they had like a monorail going from the Stillwell terminal to the boardwalk and other parts of the boardwalk. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 1 21:42:08 2006, in response to Re: Whats Happening to Coney Island?, posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Oct 1 20:37:34 2006. Coney island is far from "fine". |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Oct 1 21:58:53 2006, in response to Re: Whats Happening to Coney Island?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 1 21:42:08 2006. Well it isn't that bad, of course it can be fixed up going as far as having Disney buy up everything. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Oct 1 22:02:04 2006, in response to Re: Whats Happening to Coney Island?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 25 22:08:15 2006. They can turn the Freedom Tower into something like teh Straosphere in Las vegas by having a 'sling shot chair' shoot a few ft into the air on the very top of the building and other roof based extreme rides. |
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Posted by Transit Guy on Mon Oct 2 18:40:45 2006, in response to Whats Happening to Coney Island?, posted by Transit Guy on Sat Sep 23 21:41:26 2006. Just curious what would you all think if Donald Trump got into Coney Island? Would it be a good thing or bad thing? |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Oct 2 19:13:46 2006, in response to Re: Whats Happening to Coney Island?, posted by Transit Guy on Mon Oct 2 18:40:45 2006. He'd fit right in with the freak show. |
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Posted by American Pig on Mon Oct 2 21:00:18 2006, in response to Re: Whats Happening to Coney Island?, posted by Transit Guy on Mon Oct 2 18:40:45 2006. Oh no, not more of his cult of personality. |
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