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Re: Minimum wage doesn't cover the rent anywhere in the U.S. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jun 15 02:14:07 2018, in response to Re: Minimum wage doesn't cover the rent anywhere in the U.S., posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Jun 15 01:50:45 2018. Lives in their head rent-free. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jun 15 03:22:46 2018, in response to Re: Minimum wage doesn't cover the rent anywhere in the U.S., posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jun 15 02:14:07 2018. LOL! |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jun 15 03:26:59 2018, in response to Re: Minimum wage doesn't cover the rent anywhere in the U.S., posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Jun 15 01:50:45 2018. They want censorship. Even #almhour will be a victim. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Jun 15 03:53:43 2018, in response to Re: Minimum wage doesn't cover the rent anywhere in the U.S., posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jun 15 03:26:59 2018. Yep! |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jun 15 03:58:00 2018, in response to Re: Minimum wage doesn't cover the rent anywhere in the U.S., posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Jun 15 03:53:43 2018. What is your current workout? |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Jun 15 04:06:36 2018, in response to Re: Minimum wage doesn't cover the rent anywhere in the U.S., posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jun 15 03:58:00 2018. Getting up and then going to sleep! |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jun 15 04:09:30 2018, in response to Re: Minimum wage doesn't cover the rent anywhere in the U.S., posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Jun 15 04:06:36 2018. No porn? Pizza? Railfanning? |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Jun 15 04:52:57 2018, in response to Re: Minimum wage doesn't cover the rent anywhere in the U.S., posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jun 15 04:09:30 2018. Yes |
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Re: Minimum wage cover the rent in 22 counties in the U.S. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Jun 15 05:54:12 2018, in response to Re: Minimum wage cover the rent in 22 counties in the U.S., posted by Fred G on Thu Jun 14 22:17:35 2018. Somehow, i doubt youd want to live in those 22 counties. |
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Posted by Dave on Fri Jun 15 07:16:27 2018, in response to Re: Minimum wage doesn't cover the rent anywhere in the U.S., posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jun 15 02:14:07 2018. I have to remember this one! |
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Posted by Dave on Fri Jun 15 07:18:46 2018, in response to Re: Minimum wage doesn't cover the rent anywhere in the U.S., posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jun 15 01:28:00 2018. He shoots, he scores! |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Jun 15 07:40:28 2018, in response to Re: Minimum wage cover the rent in 22 counties in the U.S., posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Jun 15 05:54:12 2018. Yeah sometimes you get what you pay for. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Jun 15 07:49:32 2018, in response to Minimum wage cover the rent in 22 counties in the U.S., posted by Dave on Thu Jun 14 21:40:29 2018. A one-bedroom is affordable for minimum-wage employees in all of 22 counties in just five states -- Arizona, California, Colorado, Oregon and Washington. Each has a higher minimum wage than the $7.25 federal minimum.How many jobs are available in these 22 counties? |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jun 15 08:25:20 2018, in response to Minimum wage cover the rent in 22 counties in the U.S., posted by Dave on Thu Jun 14 21:40:29 2018. Link?I am curious to see where those 22 counties are. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Jun 15 09:12:36 2018, in response to Minimum wage doesn't cover the rent anywhere in the U.S., posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Thu Jun 14 14:34:18 2018. Why did you post this? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jun 15 09:57:19 2018, in response to Re: Minimum wage cover the rent in 22 counties in the U.S., posted by AlM on Fri Jun 15 08:25:20 2018. Read the OP. |
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Posted by Dave on Fri Jun 15 10:00:40 2018, in response to Re: Minimum wage cover the rent in 22 counties in the U.S., posted by AlM on Fri Jun 15 08:25:20 2018. The CBS article mentioned the states but not the names of the counties. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jun 15 10:12:04 2018, in response to Re: Minimum wage cover the rent in 22 counties in the U.S., posted by AlM on Fri Jun 15 08:25:20 2018. I looked at the report website, and the only way to look that up is to open the state data for each of those 5 states and manually lookup the county data for each county. This is not hard in the case of Arizona, but is hard for California with its many counties.The entire report is fundamentally flawed because it assumes that a two bedroom apartment is the basic unit of housing for a minimum wage worker not supporting any dependents. This is grossly luxurious. If a minimum wage worker must live alone, they can live in a studio, efficiency, or SRO. Or even share such a unit with someone else. Students going to college are somehow expected to share rooms with incompatible strangers they've never met and yet losers earning minimum wage should get two whole bedrooms to themselves? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jun 15 10:14:20 2018, in response to Re: Minimum wage cover the rent in 22 counties in the U.S., posted by Dave on Thu Jun 14 23:20:01 2018. He wasn't speaking in absolutes. 0.07% is such an outlier that it might as well not exist. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Fri Jun 15 10:29:55 2018, in response to Re: Minimum wage cover the rent in 22 counties in the U.S., posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jun 15 10:12:04 2018. So then, according to what you are saying, salaam's entire premise for this thread is less correct than originally believed. So I feel comfortable with sayingWASA WASA WASA |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Fri Jun 15 10:36:51 2018, in response to Re: Minimum wage doesn't cover the rent anywhere in the U.S., posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Jun 14 23:58:40 2018. first answer where are the jobs now |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Fri Jun 15 10:37:26 2018, in response to Re: Minimum wage cover the rent in 22 counties in the U.S., posted by R2ChinaTown on Fri Jun 15 10:29:55 2018. Less correct, but I am not sure that automatically puts it in WASA territory. Without more details it is impossible to know how many additional counties would make the list if the rent was calculated on a 1 BR or a Studio versus a 2 BR apartment. Obviously the 22 counties would still make the cut, but if reducing the standard does not materially change the list it still may be such a low percentage to be virtually zero |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Fri Jun 15 10:38:16 2018, in response to Re: Minimum wage doesn't cover the rent anywhere in the U.S., posted by R2ChinaTown on Fri Jun 15 00:20:40 2018. at least i am not an TRUMPANZEE like you who gets all information from FOX |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Fri Jun 15 10:39:06 2018, in response to Re: Minimum wage doesn't cover the rent anywhere in the U.S., posted by Dave on Thu Jun 14 21:48:05 2018. you refuse to read the article posted on yahoo |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Fri Jun 15 10:39:56 2018, in response to Re: Minimum wage doesn't cover the rent anywhere in the U.S., posted by R2ChinaTown on Fri Jun 15 00:31:48 2018. you are a TRUMPANZEE watching FOX |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Fri Jun 15 10:40:25 2018, in response to Re: Minimum wage doesn't cover the rent anywhere in the U.S., posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Fri Jun 15 10:39:06 2018. Yahoo, isn't that where you had your "blog" |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Fri Jun 15 10:40:36 2018, in response to Re: Minimum wage doesn't cover the rent anywhere in the U.S., posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Jun 15 00:56:18 2018. better than TRUMP you TRUMPANZEE |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Fri Jun 15 10:40:53 2018, in response to Re: Minimum wage doesn't cover the rent anywhere in the U.S., posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Jun 15 00:59:41 2018. STFU |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Fri Jun 15 10:41:45 2018, in response to Re: Minimum wage doesn't cover the rent anywhere in the U.S., posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Jun 14 23:53:15 2018. YOU DO |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Fri Jun 15 10:42:01 2018, in response to Re: Minimum wage doesn't cover the rent anywhere in the U.S., posted by Dave on Thu Jun 14 23:16:39 2018. AND SO WHAT |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jun 15 10:42:05 2018, in response to Re: Minimum wage cover the rent in 22 counties in the U.S., posted by mtk52983 on Fri Jun 15 10:37:26 2018. The 22 counties are where a 1BR makes the cut. Zero counties make the cut at 2 BR. |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Fri Jun 15 10:43:28 2018, in response to Re: Minimum wage cover the rent in 22 counties in the U.S., posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Jun 15 05:54:12 2018. IAWTP |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Fri Jun 15 10:43:58 2018, in response to Re: Minimum wage cover the rent in 22 counties in the U.S., posted by AlM on Fri Jun 15 08:25:20 2018. ME TOO |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Jun 15 10:44:11 2018, in response to Re: Minimum wage cover the rent in 22 counties in the U.S., posted by AlM on Fri Jun 15 08:25:20 2018. Link?I am curious to see where those 22 counties are. http://nlihc.org/oor Counties, with largest city or county seat and number of rental households in each: Arizona ($10.50 minimum wage): Greenlee (Clifton, 1,795), Santa Cruz (Nogales, 5,250) California ($11): Modoc (Alturas, 930) Colorado ($10.20): Cheyenne (Cheyenne Wells, 185), Saguache (Saguache, 703), Sedgwick (Julesburg, 305), Yuma (Wray, 1,527) Oregon ($10.50): Baker (Baker City, 2,280), Gilliam* (Condon, 287), Lake (Lakeview, 1,304), Malheur (Ontario, 4,194), Morrow (Heppner, 1,081), Union* (LaGrande, 3,666) Washington ($11.50): Asotin (Clarkston, 3,075), Ferry (Republic, 891), Garfield (Pomeroy, 278), Grant (Moses Lake, 11,536), Grays Harbor (Aberdeen, 9,042), Lincoln (Davenport, 947), Okanogan (Omak, 5,541), Pend Orielle (Newport, 1,249) *One bedroom FMR is equal to affordable rent with minimum wage in these two counties, may be greater due to rounding. Total is 24 with these two counties included. |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Fri Jun 15 10:44:31 2018, in response to Re: Minimum wage doesn't cover the rent anywhere in the U.S., posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Jun 15 09:12:36 2018. to tell the truth |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Fri Jun 15 10:45:21 2018, in response to Re: Minimum wage cover the rent in 22 counties in the U.S., posted by Dave on Fri Jun 15 10:00:40 2018. INCOMPLETE MIS INFO |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Fri Jun 15 10:46:47 2018, in response to Re: Minimum wage cover the rent in 22 counties in the U.S., posted by Dave on Thu Jun 14 23:20:01 2018. WAS TOO |
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A minimum-wage worker needs 2.5 full-time jobs to afford a one-bedroom apartment in most of the US |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Fri Jun 15 10:51:52 2018, in response to Minimum wage doesn't cover the rent anywhere in the U.S., posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Thu Jun 14 14:34:18 2018. A minimum-wage worker needs 2.5 full-time jobs to afford a one-bedroom apartment in most of the USMany minimum-wage workers can't even afford a modest one-bedroom apartment, according to the National Low Income Housing Coalition's annual report. The national housing wage for a modest one-bedroom apartment is $17.90, while the federal minimum wage is $7.25. A low-income worker earning the federal minimum wage would need 2.5 jobs to afford a one-bedroom apartment. What do you get when you combine minimum wage with increasing apartment rents? Many workers who can't afford a place to live. The National Low Income Housing Coalition's (NLIHC) annual report recently took a look at the Housing Wage, an estimate of the hourly wage a full-time worker needs to earn to afford a rental home at the US Department of Housing and Urban Development's fair-market rent. That means spending no more than 30% of their income on housing costs — the typical rule of thumb when budgeting for housing. NLIHC found that a worker needs to earn $17.90 an hour at a full-time job — 40 hours a week, 52 weeks a year — to afford a modest one-bedroom apartment. That's over $10 more than the federal minimum wage of $7.25. Let's look at the math: If a worker holds two full-time minimum wage jobs, they'd be earning $14.50 an hour total — still under the $17.90 needed to afford rent and have 70% of your income left over for non-housing related expenses. The worker would have to take on another, part-time, minimum-wage job to make up the difference. All things considered, that's a 99-hour work week, 52 weeks a year. The map below shows the hourly wage needed to afford a fair-market rent, one-bedroom apartment by state, assuming a 40-hour work week, 52 weeks a year, as calculated by the NLIHC. This is also known as the "housing wage." Only five states — Arizona, California, Colorado, Oregon, and Washington — have one-bedrooms affordable for minimum-wage workers across 22 counties. All of these states have minimum wages higher than the federal minimum wage, but if you're looking for housing outside of the 22 counties, even these higher minimum wages aren't enough. The housing wage for a one-bedroom apartment in Washington is $21.65. A worker would need income from two jobs at Washington's minimum wage of $11.50 (the highest of all five states) to afford a one-bedroom apartment. Workers fare a little better in Arizona, where the minimum wage of $10.50 is actually the lowest of the five states. The housing wage for a one-bedroom apartment there is $14.64. Even Arkansas, which has the most affordable housing in the country, according to NLIHC data, has a higher one-bedroom housing wage ($10.98) than minimum wage ($8.50). Lastly, Hawaii, the state with the most expensive housing: The minimum wage there is $10.10, and the housing wage for a one-bedroom apartment is $27.44. If a worker held 2.5 full-time jobs, they would make $25.70 an hour — that's more than the national housing wage, yet still not enough for Hawaii's steep real estate market. A worker in Hawaii would have to work almost three full-time jobs just to afford a one-bedroom rental. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Jun 15 10:56:25 2018, in response to Re: Minimum wage cover the rent in 22 counties in the U.S., posted by mtk52983 on Fri Jun 15 10:37:26 2018. Without more details it is impossible to know how many additional counties would make the list if the rent was calculated on a 1 BR or a Studio versus a 2 BR apartment.I'm not going through every state right now, but as a couple of examples, a "zero bedroom FMR" (assumed to be a studio apartment) is affordable on minimum wage in 24 counties in Washington, 5 counties in New York, and zero counties in Alabama. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jun 15 10:57:12 2018, in response to Re: Minimum wage cover the rent in 22 counties in the U.S., posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jun 15 10:12:04 2018. I agree the 2-bedroom criterion is absurd. On the other hand, most locations don't have SROs or families who take in boarders any more. Even studios don't exist in significant quantities in much of the country. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jun 15 11:08:21 2018, in response to Re: Minimum wage cover the rent in 22 counties in the U.S., posted by AlM on Fri Jun 15 10:57:12 2018. That is its own problem, unless the 1BRs are cheap enough. There's also taking on a roommate, but some landlords might prohibit it. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jun 15 12:00:10 2018, in response to A minimum-wage worker needs 2.5 full-time jobs to afford a one-bedroom apartment in most of the US, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Fri Jun 15 10:51:52 2018. Haha, the NLIHC again. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jun 15 12:00:56 2018, in response to A minimum-wage worker needs 2.5 full-time jobs to afford a one-bedroom apartment in most of the US, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Fri Jun 15 10:51:52 2018. Haha, the NLIHC again. And now "most of" the US rather than none of it. |
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Posted by Dave on Fri Jun 15 12:06:56 2018, in response to Re: Minimum wage doesn't cover the rent anywhere in the U.S., posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Fri Jun 15 10:39:06 2018. I read it, and the author deliberately left out pertinent information about 22 counties in 5 states where you can afford to rent a one bedroom apartment making minimum wage. |
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Posted by Dave on Fri Jun 15 12:10:06 2018, in response to Re: Minimum wage cover the rent in 22 counties in the U.S., posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jun 15 10:14:20 2018. But it does exist so saying "None" is incorrect. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jun 15 12:12:15 2018, in response to Re: Minimum wage cover the rent in 22 counties in the U.S., posted by Dave on Fri Jun 15 12:10:06 2018. If you want to be that specific about it, yes. But the study was flawed not in that it ignored those 22 counties, but that it based its claim on the fact that in no county could a minimum wage worker afford a 2 bedroom, as if anything less is tantamount to homelessness. |
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Posted by Dave on Fri Jun 15 12:12:19 2018, in response to Re: Minimum wage cover the rent in 22 counties in the U.S., posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Fri Jun 15 10:45:21 2018. Feel free to go to HUD's website to find the information. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jun 15 12:12:54 2018, in response to Re: Minimum wage doesn't cover the rent anywhere in the U.S., posted by Dave on Fri Jun 15 12:06:56 2018. SD is mentioned as pretty much the only non-Appalachia state where low income people can do OK. I suspect that one of those counties is the poorest county in the United States. Median family income 21K. A very sad place. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Fri Jun 15 13:49:58 2018, in response to A minimum-wage worker needs 2.5 full-time jobs to afford a one-bedroom apartment in most of the US, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Fri Jun 15 10:51:52 2018. Who gives a shit you fucking monkey dick. |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Fri Jun 15 14:12:46 2018, in response to Re: A minimum-wage worker needs 2.5 full-time jobs to afford a one-bedroom apartment in most of the US, posted by R2ChinaTown on Fri Jun 15 13:49:58 2018. people who are not TRUMPANZEES like you fucking monkey dick!! |
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