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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue May 22 14:52:14 2018 The New YorkerTrump's Assault On American Governance Just Crossed A New Threshold By John Cassidy Since Donald Trump entered the White House, American democracy has sometimes been described as dangerously fragile, but that isn’t necessarily true. Having survived for two hundred and forty-two years, American democracy is more like a stoutly built ocean liner, with a maniac at the helm who seems intent on capsizing it. Every so often, he takes a violent tug at the tiller, causing the vessel to list alarmingly. So far, some members of the ship’s crew—judges, public servants, and the odd elected official—have managed to rush in, jag the tiller back, and keep the ship afloat. But, as the captain’s behavior grows more erratic, the danger facing the ship and its passengers increases. In the past forty-eight hours, Trump has demanded that the Justice Department open an investigation into its own investigation of possible collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russian government. The Justice Department has already—partially, at least—acceded to his wishes. It feels as though an important threshold has been crossed. If this were a one-off instance of Trump trying to bully the Justice Department, the fact that Rod Rosenstein, the Deputy Attorney General, emerged from a meeting at the White House on Monday without having agreed to all of Trump’s demands would be more reassuring. But this wasn’t an isolated case. As the Robert Mueller investigation closes in on the President, Trump and his allies have launched a multi-pronged effort to discredit and end it. Rosenstein’s concessions may well encourage Trump to step up his efforts, regardless of historical norms involving the exercise of Presidential power. That is not to criticize Rosenstein or Christopher Wray, the director of the F.B.I., who were left in an unenviable position by the President’s weekend barrage of tweets, in which he called the Russia investigation a “Witch Hunt” and a “scam,” and then said he would officially demand on Monday “that the Department of Justice look into whether or not the FBI/DOJ infiltrated or surveilled the Trump Campaign for Political Purposes - and if any such demands or requests were made by people within the Obama Administration!” Trump has been railing against the Mueller investigation for months now, of course. But this demand, which followed the revelation that the F.B.I., in the summer of 2016, used a former Cambridge University professor named Stefan Halpern to approach three people connected to the Trump campaign who were suspected of having communicated with Russians, represented a significant escalation. Not only was Trump violating the rule that Presidents don’t get involved in individual criminal investigations, he was targeting a probe that involved him, several of his family members, and many of his closest colleagues. A question immediately arose: Would Rosenstein and Wray go along with Trump’s demands, or would they resign? On Sunday afternoon, Rosenstein sought to deëscalate the situation by saying he would refer the matter to the Justice Department’s inspector general, who was already reviewing the steps that the F.B.I. took in 2016 to obtain a court warrant to eavesdrop on Carter Page, one of the Trump campaign aides who was suspected of collaborating with Russian officials. “If anyone did infiltrate or surveil participants in a Presidential campaign for inappropriate purposes, we need to know about it and take appropriate action,” Rosenstein said in a statement. This was clearly an effort to meet the President halfway. Given the fact the Rosenstein’s continued presence in office is essential to the safeguarding of the Mueller probe, it was defensible on pragmatic grounds. But on Monday Rosenstein was forced into making another concession. After his meeting with Trump, the White House announced that John Kelly, the President’s chief of staff, would “immediately set up a meeting with the FBI, DOJ, and DNI together with Congressional Leaders to review highly classified and other information they have requested.” This information is believed to relate directly to the activities of Halpern on the F.B.I.’s behalf. “The President may, in effect, be ordering the disclosure of an F.B.I. confidential source,” Jack Goldsmith, a professor at Harvard Law School who served in the George W. Bush Administration, noted on a Lawfare podcast. “That really crosses F.B.I. lines. They really care a lot about protecting their sources both for their credibility with that source and future sources.” The irony, of course, is that Trump and his supporters in Congress, such as Devin Nunes, the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, and Mark Meadows, the head of the Freedom Caucus, are attacking an institution—the F.B.I.—that went to great lengths in 2016 not to publicize the fact that it was investigating the Trump campaign. In reportedly enlisting Halpern to approach Page, George Papadopoulos, and Sam Clovis, who were all foreign-policy advisers to the campaign, the F.B.I. was following the standard practice of counterintelligence investigations, and not a word of its activities leaked before Election Day. Trump knows this, of course. But all that concerns him is discrediting the Russia investigation and saving his own skin. To this end, he will do practically anything he can get away with. And, judging by the deathly silence from the Republican leadership over the past couple of days, he won’t receive any resistance from that quarter. To repeat, the danger is increasing. John Cassidy has been a staff writer at The New Yorker since 1995. He also writes a column about politics, economics, and more. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue May 22 15:30:46 2018, in response to Trump Assaults American Governance (No Olog, You Don't Get A Question Mark), posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue May 22 14:52:14 2018. Fucking Crock of Shit! |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue May 22 15:45:53 2018, in response to Re: Trump Assaults American Governance (No Olog, You Don't Get A Question Mark), posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue May 22 15:30:46 2018. Your standard response when confronted with reality. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue May 22 15:51:41 2018, in response to Re: Trump Assaults American Governance (No Olog, You Don't Get A Question Mark), posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue May 22 15:45:53 2018. Fucking Crock of Shit |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Tue May 22 17:22:46 2018, in response to Trump Assaults American Governance (No Olog, You Don't Get A Question Mark), posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue May 22 14:52:14 2018. Opinion piece masquerading as a news article. Where was this "outrage" when Barack Obama was abusing his power and the checks and balances of the Constitution to create legislation? |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue May 22 19:51:26 2018, in response to Re: Trump Assaults American Governance?, posted by mtk52983 on Tue May 22 17:22:46 2018. LOL! Look at what trump has done....99% is executive orders......LOL! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 22 20:12:42 2018, in response to Re: Trump Assaults American Governance?, posted by mtk52983 on Tue May 22 17:22:46 2018. Thanks for my question mark, lol. Had it coming. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 22 20:16:18 2018, in response to Trump Assaults American Governance (No Olog, You Don't Get A Question Mark), posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue May 22 14:52:14 2018. LOL New Yorker. Every left-wing attempt at spin in the book. Worth two question marks. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 23 05:42:14 2018, in response to Re: Trump Assaults American Governance?, posted by mtk52983 on Tue May 22 17:22:46 2018. Do you mean, where was the outrage when the GOP-led House and Senate deliberately obstructed every attempt Obama made, to carry out the people's business?Two words from that period stand out in my mind: Merrick Garland. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 23 05:43:42 2018, in response to Re: Trump Assaults American Governance??, posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 22 20:16:18 2018. Actually, the OP is a very good exposition of what's really going on. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed May 23 06:51:03 2018, in response to Re: Trump Assaults American Governance?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 23 05:42:14 2018. Or maybe the GOP Congress was following the desires of the American people who wanted that gridlock and did not want Democrats ramming more of their leftist agenda down the throats of Americans. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed May 23 07:01:25 2018, in response to Re: Trump Assaults American Governance?, posted by mtk52983 on Wed May 23 06:51:03 2018. The people duly elected President Obama. There was no reason for blocking the nominee. That was pure obstructionism.The people did NOT elect trump. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed May 23 07:12:42 2018, in response to Re: Trump Assaults American Governance?, posted by bingbong on Wed May 23 07:01:25 2018. The people elected the Senators and they wanted a check on Obama’s radical agenda. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 23 07:19:19 2018, in response to Re: Trump Assaults American Governance?, posted by mtk52983 on Wed May 23 07:12:42 2018. What was Obama's "radical agenda"?Oh, that's right, true equality for all Americans under the lawn. Republicans can't abide that. It's too "Fourteenth Amendment" for them. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed May 23 07:30:04 2018, in response to Re: Trump Assaults American Governance?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 23 07:19:19 2018. Give always to Iran, “Palestinians”, etc.“Dreamers” Government takeover of health care Appointed large number of Judges who think the Amendment process is irrelevant because the Constitution means whatever they say it does Hostility to those who support the 1st and 2nd Amendment Hostility to police officers Did not want equal rights for all. Wanted special rights for certain “minorities.” If you want equality, set aside programs of all kinds need to go and let best candidate prevail. Equality under the law does not mandate equal outcomes. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed May 23 07:53:36 2018, in response to Re: Trump Assaults American Governance?, posted by mtk52983 on Wed May 23 07:30:04 2018. The government never "took over healthcare". It DID necessary regulation of interstate commerce, as an insured person can obtain and file a claim for healthcare services anywhere in the country. The Constitution mandates this.This place is an excellent example of hostility to those who believe in the First Amendment, just look at how the few liberals here get treated. As to the 2nd, who took your guns away between 2009-2017? NOBODY. Anyone can, with little effort, find and obtain a lethal weapon "legally" on the internet or a gun show, bypassing legally mandated screening procedures. They are then free to leave it laying around their family home where your distraught teen can pick it up, take it to school and mow down the art class. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Wed May 23 07:59:23 2018, in response to Re: Trump Assaults American Governance?, posted by mtk52983 on Tue May 22 17:22:46 2018. Provide an example.... |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed May 23 08:01:51 2018, in response to Re: Trump Assaults American Governance?, posted by ClearAspect on Wed May 23 07:59:23 2018. DACA |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed May 23 08:10:46 2018, in response to Re: Trump Assaults American Governance?, posted by bingbong on Wed May 23 07:53:36 2018. Mandating that I have health insurance is not supported by the commerce clause. Mandating that health insurance plans cover services I could never possibly use is nowhere in the Constitution. If you want coverage for gender specific issues purchase supplemental coverage. The “few Liberals” get treated the way they do because their policy positions are not feasible or when they see something they disagree with, rather than counter the argument with an argument in support of their position they just scream “FOX” or post a bunch of Z’s. I don’t see you in arms over college campuses where non-leftist speakers are met with crowds of hecklers seeking to prevent the speaker from giving his/her talk. How about Lamda Legal now pushing the ABA to enact overboard and vague speech codes that the violation of which could subject the speaker to discipline? |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 23 08:20:17 2018, in response to Re: Trump Assaults American Governance?, posted by mtk52983 on Wed May 23 08:10:46 2018. Lambda Legal' s proposal to the ABA isn't "overboard" or "vague" at all. Have you actually read it?As for "mandating" that insurers cover "services I could never possibly use", has it occurred to you that other services you WILL need, are also covered, for your benefit? Before ACA, if an insurer decided you didn't need a particular procedure or medication, well, too bad, no matter how much pain or disability you were suffering. That, too, is capitalism. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 23 08:21:29 2018, in response to Re: Trump Assaults American Governance?, posted by mtk52983 on Wed May 23 08:01:51 2018. I suggest you read the inscription at the base of Statue of Liberty. It seems to Have been forgotten. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed May 23 08:36:01 2018, in response to Re: Trump Assaults American Governance?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 23 08:20:17 2018. Yes I have read the proposal.It is professional misconduct for a lawyer to ... engage in conduct that the lawyer knows or reasonably should know is harassment or discrimination on the basis of race, sex, religion, national origin, ethnicity, disability, age, sexual orientation, gender identity, marital status or socioeconomic status in conduct related to the practice of law. This paragraph does not limit the ability of a lawyer to accept, decline, or withdraw from a representation in accordance with Rule 1.16. This paragraph does not preclude legitimate advice or advocacy consistent with these rules. Discrimination and harassment ... includes harmful verbal or physical conduct that manifests bias or prejudice towards others. How is determined wether something manifests bias or prejudice towards others? Would slipping up and using an incorrect pronoun apply? Overt and intentional discrimination and harassment I can see, but for some snowflakes any disagreement would be “harassment” under this proposal. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed May 23 08:38:07 2018, in response to Re: Trump Assaults American Governance?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 23 08:21:29 2018. I have read it. Where does it say that we have to fund those who arrived illegally? I am all for legal immigration. Footing the bill for illegals or giving them preferential treatment that is where I draw a line. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed May 23 08:41:09 2018, in response to Re: Trump Assaults American Governance?, posted by bingbong on Wed May 23 07:01:25 2018. Trump trump Trump trump! Trump trump Trump trump! Trump trump Trump trump! Trump trump Trump trump! Trump trump Trump trump! Trump trump Trump trump! Trump trump Trump trump! Trump trump Trump trump! Trump trump Trump trump! Trump trump Trump trump! Trump trump Trump trump! |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed May 23 08:41:51 2018, in response to Re: Trump Assaults American Governance?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 23 07:19:19 2018. What are we, moles? LOL |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed May 23 08:44:52 2018, in response to Re: Trump Assaults American Governance?, posted by mtk52983 on Wed May 23 08:36:01 2018. Simple. If you do it it's harassment and you need to be punished. If they do it, they are just exercising their first amendment rights. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed May 23 08:46:29 2018, in response to Re: Trump Assaults American Governance?, posted by mtk52983 on Wed May 23 07:30:04 2018. And your last paragraph is spot-on. That's why some people here argue with me because they think I should have the views that certain people should have special treatment. I say bullshit, EVERYONE gets treated the exact SAME! I don't care what happened in the past or in the future or when we were cavemen. Everyone has to be treated exactly the same with no special treatment. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed May 23 08:48:24 2018, in response to Re: Trump Assaults American Governance?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed May 23 08:41:09 2018. I call that one, the March of the Trumps AKA the March of Progress. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed May 23 08:54:47 2018, in response to Re: Trump Assaults American Governance?, posted by mtk52983 on Wed May 23 08:38:07 2018. Yep! |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 23 08:55:50 2018, in response to Re: Trump Assaults American Governance?, posted by mtk52983 on Wed May 23 08:38:07 2018. The children of undocumented immigrants had no choice in where their parents took them. Should they be punished for things they had no control over? It makes much more sense to give them a means of becoming productive, contributing citizens. That is in keeping with Lady Liberty's creed. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 23 08:58:15 2018, in response to Re: Trump Assaults American Governance?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed May 23 08:46:29 2018. Minorities, especially LGBT people, for the 108,662nd time, do not want "special rights". We only want what everybody else is routinely granted as a matter of course.That's called "equality". |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 23 08:59:01 2018, in response to Re: Trump Assaults American Governance?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed May 23 08:48:24 2018. You mean the "Backwards Two-Step". |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed May 23 09:15:58 2018, in response to Re: Trump Assaults American Governance?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 23 08:55:50 2018. I agree, BUT... should I cut the entire line of all of the people who are waiting to become citizens the legal way?. That is like you going on a March of Dimes trip and you paid your ticket ahead of time but when you get on the train, a bunch of people who will waiting for the regular Subway just got on the train and took the window seat or the railfan window and the people who win the trip saying you know what? Fuck it! They have already just let them stay where they are |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Wed May 23 09:17:24 2018, in response to Re: Trump Assaults American Governance?, posted by mtk52983 on Wed May 23 08:01:51 2018. thats it? DACA was illegal, how?Not even republicans sought to challenge it. Your opinion is not fact, learn what federal overreach is first then come back with something substantial. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed May 23 09:19:01 2018, in response to Re: Trump Assaults American Governance?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 23 08:58:15 2018. Then why are special rights being giving in certain instances, especially on college campuses where they have safe spaces where only women are allowed or only people of color are allowed? Or why is it that black people want to be the only ones that should be allowed to say the word nigger and no one else It's either everyone could say it or no one can say it! They also tolerated if a Hispanic says it. There should be absolutely no double standards at all! For anything! |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed May 23 09:20:47 2018, in response to Re: Trump Assaults American Governance?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 23 08:59:01 2018. Leave Bernie Sanders out of this! |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed May 23 09:26:47 2018, in response to Re: Trump Assaults American Governance?, posted by ClearAspect on Wed May 23 09:17:24 2018. When forced upon this nation, obama said that he didn't have the authority to enact DACA. Facts is facts. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 23 09:44:04 2018, in response to Re: Trump Assaults American Governance?, posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed May 23 09:26:47 2018. That's your twisted version of "facts". |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed May 23 10:20:07 2018, in response to Re: Trump Assaults American Governance?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 23 08:58:15 2018. Fine, let's do away with all preferences on the basis of race, religion, sexual orientation, etc. in college admissions, job hiring, etc. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed May 23 10:29:50 2018, in response to Re: Trump Assaults American Governance?, posted by mtk52983 on Wed May 23 10:20:07 2018. LOL. You know that liberals will never let that happen. The most qualified will never be the most qualified if it's a white male. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed May 23 10:33:27 2018, in response to Re: Trump Assaults American Governance?, posted by mtk52983 on Wed May 23 08:38:07 2018. WTFis "funding" "them"? Those kids went to school, got jobs, married (many to Americans) own homes and have built their life here. We should WANT to keep them, if anyone stays, it should be them.They never asked for this. They ended up growing up here. Their roots are now here. Fact is, they're innocent of any crime or violation (under immigration law, it's a violation) and that should be the end of it. They all should get permanent green cards and the shot as citizenship that includes. As to the people and especially kids that came in over the past few years, they should get expedited asylum if they can prove they were targeted by drug gangs. We have an asylum system so we don't deport people to their death. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed May 23 10:37:03 2018, in response to Re: Trump Assaults American Governance?, posted by ClearAspect on Wed May 23 09:17:24 2018. You asked for "an example." I gave you one. DACA is illegal because it is not in the President's authority to create new classes of citizens. There is litigation on this in the Fifth Circuit |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed May 23 10:37:25 2018, in response to Re: Trump Assaults American Governance?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 23 08:59:01 2018. R is for republicanR is for Reverse. Funny how both take you backwards, eh? |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Wed May 23 10:38:50 2018, in response to Re: Trump Assaults American Governance?, posted by bingbong on Wed May 23 10:33:27 2018. I Am Dissapointed With President Trump On Immigration |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 23 10:57:14 2018, in response to Re: Trump Assaults American Governance?, posted by mtk52983 on Wed May 23 10:20:07 2018. I accept that if college admissions do away with preferences based on legacy. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed May 23 10:59:02 2018, in response to Re: Trump Assaults American Governance?, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 23 10:57:14 2018. You won't get any objections from me about doing away with legacy admissions |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Wed May 23 11:06:12 2018, in response to Re: Trump Assaults American Governance?, posted by mtk52983 on Wed May 23 10:37:03 2018. Yet no one sought to challenge it in the courts,Thank you armchair quarterback mtk on your fantastic lega analysis |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 23 11:08:06 2018, in response to Re: Trump Assaults American Governance?, posted by ClearAspect on Wed May 23 11:06:12 2018. He said there was litigation on this in the Fifth Circuit.How is he an armchair quarterback on this issue if he's an actual lawyer and thus qualified to opine on legal matters? |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Wed May 23 11:11:30 2018, in response to Re: Trump Assaults American Governance?, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 23 11:08:06 2018. No judgments have ever been made, as of now its an opinion spider. Thats all. I have no doubts it wouldve been ultimately upheld. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed May 23 11:27:47 2018, in response to Re: Trump Assaults American Governance?, posted by mtk52983 on Wed May 23 10:20:07 2018. There is already negative preference for college admissions on the basis of income.Legacy students are more likely to be higher income students. Lower income students are less likely to pay for expensive exam prep courses (which really help) and are less likely to be able to afford a campus visit (which colleges treat as an admissions plus because it indicates strong interest). So what is it you want to fix? |
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