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Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California

Posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Mar 7 12:07:48 2018

Claiming California's sanctuary State policy is unconstitutional, the justice department will bring suit against the state and presumably, governor moonbeam. Given the 9th circuit's leftist propensity, what are the odds of success?

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Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Mar 7 12:14:46 2018, in response to Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California, posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Mar 7 12:07:48 2018.

The odds of success depend on what the Constitution provides.

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Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Mar 7 12:21:28 2018, in response to Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Mar 7 12:14:46 2018.

Amazing, how some cities think they are above the law.

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Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Mar 7 12:23:03 2018, in response to Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Mar 7 12:21:28 2018.

As well as entire states

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Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California

Posted by AlM on Wed Mar 7 12:25:24 2018, in response to Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Mar 7 12:14:46 2018.

Parts of the three laws may survive while other parts are overturned.

I have my doubts about this (from the Times):

State lawmakers also passed the Immigrant Worker Protection Act, which prohibits local business from allowing immigration to gain access to employee records without a court order or subpoena.

Seems like a restriction of free speech. Why can't I tell anyone I please who works for me?

I have less doubt about this:

One, the California Values Act, strictly limits state and local agencies from sharing information with federal officers about criminals or suspects unless they have been convicted of serious crimes.

This is a case of telling your own employees how you want them to do their jobs to best attain the goal of reducing crime.

But of course, I'm not Justice Kennedy, so I don't get to decide.



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Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California

Posted by AlM on Wed Mar 7 12:38:07 2018, in response to Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Mar 7 12:21:28 2018.

Yep. The US Constitution clearly indicates that appropriate methods of local law enforcement are entirely the purview of the federal government.


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Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California

Posted by SLRT on Wed Mar 7 12:54:02 2018, in response to Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California, posted by AlM on Wed Mar 7 12:38:07 2018.

Entirely, no. But states are constrained in their ability to defy federal law. Ask The South during the civil rights era.

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Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California

Posted by AlM on Wed Mar 7 13:32:29 2018, in response to Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California, posted by SLRT on Wed Mar 7 12:54:02 2018.

But states are constrained in their ability to defy federal law. Ask The South during the civil rights era.

States were found to be in contravention of the Civil Rights Act of 1965. Also, in that case states were preventing citizens from doing certain things, like sit in the front of a bus.

So it's doubly different. States aren't preventing ordinary citizens from doing stuff (except for the dubious item about keeping businesses from talking to ICE without a subpoena - I would expect that one to fall). And secondly, there's no similar Act in the current situation that says that state employees must do x, y, and z.

But again, I'm not Justice Kennedy, so my opinion is only worth the electrons it's expressed with.



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Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California

Posted by SLRT on Wed Mar 7 14:32:40 2018, in response to Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California, posted by AlM on Wed Mar 7 13:32:29 2018.

The Federal Law is being broken, and it's not on behalf of citizens.

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Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California

Posted by Easy on Wed Mar 7 14:39:34 2018, in response to Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California, posted by SLRT on Wed Mar 7 14:32:40 2018.

Is it being broken? California decided not to remand people to ICE. I think thatís a bad idea but is it illegal? I think that they only started even doing that in the last 2 or 2 decades. Or is there more to it?

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Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California

Posted by AlM on Wed Mar 7 14:57:33 2018, in response to Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California, posted by SLRT on Wed Mar 7 14:32:40 2018.

Which federal law is being broken?

The last time I asked this question one of your legal colleagues cited a law that states what ICE is allowed to do, not any law stating what local law enforcement is required to do.


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Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California

Posted by Fred G on Wed Mar 7 15:00:55 2018, in response to Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California, posted by SLRT on Wed Mar 7 14:32:40 2018.

Local law enforcement is not required to do the fed's work.

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Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California

Posted by AlM on Wed Mar 7 15:20:24 2018, in response to Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California, posted by Fred G on Wed Mar 7 15:00:55 2018.

There might be an argument that freedom of speech trumps work rules, and that you can't prevent a local LEO from telling ICE about a suspected illegal alien. But I don't see anywhere that all of this is cut and dried.




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Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Mar 7 15:22:00 2018, in response to Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California, posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Mar 7 12:07:48 2018.

you hate california

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Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California

Posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Mar 7 16:27:11 2018, in response to Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Mar 7 15:22:00 2018.

What does whether I like California or not have to do with the subject of his thread?

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Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Mar 7 17:24:21 2018, in response to Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California, posted by AlM on Wed Mar 7 15:20:24 2018.

LOL!

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Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California

Posted by AlM on Wed Mar 7 18:08:13 2018, in response to Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Mar 7 17:24:21 2018.

?


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Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Mar 7 18:16:46 2018, in response to Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California, posted by AlM on Wed Mar 7 15:20:24 2018.

Exactly.

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Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Mar 7 18:29:26 2018, in response to Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California, posted by AlM on Wed Mar 7 18:08:13 2018.

Your post sounded very bingbongy. An employer can prevent you from disclosing information you learned solely as a result of your employment. Think of when one signs an NDA.

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Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California

Posted by Chicagomotorman on Wed Mar 7 18:31:13 2018, in response to Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California, posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Mar 7 12:07:48 2018.

Good.

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Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California

Posted by Chicagomotorman on Wed Mar 7 18:32:06 2018, in response to Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California, posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Mar 7 16:27:11 2018.

Not a damn thing.

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Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California

Posted by Chicagomotorman on Wed Mar 7 18:32:55 2018, in response to Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Mar 7 15:22:00 2018.

You should be thanking Jeff Sessions.

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Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California

Posted by AlM on Wed Mar 7 18:38:46 2018, in response to Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Mar 7 18:29:26 2018.

Have police officers signed NDAs?

And I wouldn't count on a corporate NDA successfully preventing someone from disclosing unlawful activity.

You very well could be right, just like SLRT very well could be right. I just don't think it's a slam dunk in either direction.


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Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Mar 7 19:00:43 2018, in response to Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California, posted by Chicagomotorman on Wed Mar 7 18:32:06 2018.

yes it does

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Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California

Posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Mar 7 19:09:03 2018, in response to Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Mar 7 19:00:43 2018.

Explain how my opinion about California impacts on what I posted.

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Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Mar 7 19:17:21 2018, in response to Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California, posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Mar 7 19:09:03 2018.

dont you HATE california ?

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Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California

Posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Mar 7 19:20:11 2018, in response to Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Mar 7 19:17:21 2018.

And I'll ask you again, what difference does my opinion of California make with respect to my original post in this thread?

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Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Mar 7 19:21:05 2018, in response to Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California, posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Mar 7 19:20:11 2018.

re read my question

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Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Mar 7 19:23:04 2018, in response to Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California, posted by Chicagomotorman on Wed Mar 7 18:32:55 2018.

why

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Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California

Posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Mar 7 19:30:16 2018, in response to Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Mar 7 19:21:05 2018.

My opinion of California is irrelevant to my initial post in this thread. Why do you care what my opinion of California is? Are you from the chamber of commerce?

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Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Mar 7 19:31:10 2018, in response to Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California, posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Mar 7 19:30:16 2018.

i have been involved etc
still ducking my question
nevermind

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Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California

Posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Mar 7 19:33:32 2018, in response to Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Mar 7 19:23:04 2018.

For protecting you, and enforcing immigration laws.

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Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California

Posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Mar 7 19:34:12 2018, in response to Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Mar 7 19:31:10 2018.

Because it's a stupid question.

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Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Mar 7 19:36:51 2018, in response to Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California, posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Mar 7 19:34:12 2018.

wrong again
question was simple
a yes or now answer would do

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Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Mar 7 19:37:26 2018, in response to Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California, posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Mar 7 19:33:32 2018.

protecting me ?
lol

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Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California

Posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Mar 7 19:44:44 2018, in response to Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Mar 7 19:36:51 2018.

And an even simpler explanation of what relevance your question has to what I posted would go a long way to helping me frame my answer to your question.

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Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California

Posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Mar 7 19:45:34 2018, in response to Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Mar 7 19:37:26 2018.

If you can't understand and appreciate what Jeff Sessions is doing for California, then you're an idiot.

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Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Mar 7 20:14:22 2018, in response to Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California, posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Mar 7 19:45:34 2018.

i am no idiot

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Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Mar 7 20:14:52 2018, in response to Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California, posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Mar 7 19:44:44 2018.

i thought the question was simple
yes or no ?

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Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California

Posted by Chicagomotorman on Wed Mar 7 20:36:43 2018, in response to Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Mar 7 20:14:22 2018.

Lol

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Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California

Posted by Chicagomotorman on Wed Mar 7 20:37:14 2018, in response to Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Mar 7 20:14:52 2018.

I like California.

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Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Mar 7 20:42:58 2018, in response to Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California, posted by Chicagomotorman on Wed Mar 7 20:36:43 2018.

you have no proof
proff

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Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Mar 7 20:43:16 2018, in response to Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California, posted by Chicagomotorman on Wed Mar 7 20:37:14 2018.

you do?


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Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California

Posted by Chicagomotorman on Thu Mar 8 01:21:08 2018, in response to Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Mar 7 20:42:58 2018.

Proof of what? Me laughing?

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Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California

Posted by Chicagomotorman on Thu Mar 8 01:21:50 2018, in response to Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Mar 7 20:43:16 2018.

Yes.

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Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Thu Mar 8 14:14:32 2018, in response to Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California, posted by Chicagomotorman on Thu Mar 8 01:21:50 2018.

amazing

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Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California

Posted by chicagomotorman on Thu Mar 8 15:40:33 2018, in response to Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Thu Mar 8 14:14:32 2018.

I like California, I just don't like who's running it.

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Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Lawsuit Against California

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Mar 9 08:16:24 2018, in response to Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California, posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Mar 7 12:07:48 2018.

Well, when a state signs up to the US Constitution, it agrees to be bound by the articles with respect to the enumerated powers of the federal government, those being the "uniform rule of naturalization" and defense of borders. Fighting against such rules in the Constitution means levying war against the USA, and that actually goes under Article 3 Section 3 (treason).

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Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Fri Mar 9 13:41:23 2018, in response to Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California, posted by Chicagomotorman on Thu Mar 8 01:21:08 2018.

yeah

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Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California

Posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Mar 9 14:14:39 2018, in response to Re: Jeff Sessions Announced Law Suit Against California, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Fri Mar 9 13:41:23 2018.

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