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Posted by Fred G on Fri Dec 15 22:21:59 2017 All the Orwell that's fit to print"science-based" is one of the forbidden terms. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Dec 16 03:17:04 2017, in response to Forbidden Words at the CDC, posted by Fred G on Fri Dec 15 22:21:59 2017. So is "evidence-based", and "transgender".Reality, it seems, is not an acceptable concept for the Trump administration. |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Sat Dec 16 03:41:29 2017, in response to Re: Forbidden Words at the CDC, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Dec 16 03:17:04 2017. Reality clashes with "Donnie World" |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Dec 16 04:16:41 2017, in response to Re: Forbidden Words at the CDC, posted by jimmymc25 on Sat Dec 16 03:41:29 2017. 😂😂😂😂😂 |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Dec 16 09:58:48 2017, in response to Re: Forbidden Words at the CDC, posted by jimmymc25 on Sat Dec 16 03:41:29 2017. Exactly. Trump isn't a liar because he doesn't lie; Trump simply has no concept of truth and falsity. This isn't something that he picked up in his old age, it was the case back in 1983. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Dec 16 10:01:15 2017, in response to Re: Forbidden Words at the CDC, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Dec 16 09:58:48 2017. Funny, fact checkers have proven an daily average of 5.5 lies from trump himself. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Dec 16 10:02:04 2017, in response to Re: Forbidden Words at the CDC, posted by bingbong on Sat Dec 16 10:01:15 2017. Those aren't "lies" though. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Dec 16 10:29:29 2017, in response to Re: Forbidden Words at the CDC, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Dec 16 10:02:04 2017. Are you thinking it's an example of the dunning-kruger effect? If you are it seems spot on... an inappropriate confidence empowered by something that feels like knowledge. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Dec 16 10:32:50 2017, in response to Re: Forbidden Words at the CDC, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Dec 16 10:29:29 2017. It's a delusion of knowledge. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Dec 16 10:57:22 2017, in response to Re: Forbidden Words at the CDC, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Dec 16 10:29:29 2017. The Dunning-Kruger effect (which I had to Google) does not explain "The Access Hollywood tape is a fake - I never said those things" and numerous other flat out denials of events observed by Trump himself. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Dec 16 10:59:24 2017, in response to Re: Forbidden Words at the CDC, posted by AlM on Sat Dec 16 10:57:22 2017. He thinks of himself like a prophet and that people will believe whatever he says. So it is the Dunning-Kruger Effect in that he thinks his inherent veracity is better than it really is. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Dec 16 11:24:32 2017, in response to Re: Forbidden Words at the CDC, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Dec 16 10:59:24 2017. You are the first person ever to put a reference to Trump and "inherent veracity" together in the same sentence. |
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Re: Forbidden Words at the CDC? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 16 20:22:56 2017, in response to Forbidden Words at the CDC, posted by Fred G on Fri Dec 15 22:21:59 2017. Doing away with Newspeak is "Orwellian"? More like the other way around.Besides, this is more rumor-mill stuff from anonymous "policy analysts" talking to the Compost, lol. Why do "policy analysts" even exist? |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Dec 16 23:50:02 2017, in response to Forbidden Words at the CDC, posted by Fred G on Fri Dec 15 22:21:59 2017. The Times confirmed some details of the report with several officials, although a few suggested that the proposal was not so much a ban on words but recommendations to avoid some language to ease the path toward budget approval by Republicans.So it's not that the words are forbidden. It's that they set off knee-jerk reactions among the troglodytes who have to approve the budget, so if you use them you probably won't get your budget approved. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Dec 16 23:58:42 2017, in response to Re: Forbidden Words at the CDC, posted by AlM on Sat Dec 16 23:50:02 2017. So it’s fake news? |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Dec 17 01:43:28 2017, in response to Re: Forbidden Words at the CDC, posted by AlM on Sat Dec 16 23:50:02 2017. The Post is now reporting that both the State and Health/Human Services Departments have also been told not to use these words in their reports. Oh, and HHS must refer to the Affordable Care Act (ACA), only as "Obamacare". |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Dec 17 04:20:08 2017, in response to Re: Forbidden Words at the CDC, posted by AlM on Sat Dec 16 23:50:02 2017. I don’t think anybody thought there was a gag order put in place. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Dec 17 08:15:53 2017, in response to Re: Forbidden Words at the CDC, posted by Easy on Sat Dec 16 23:58:42 2017. No. It's real. |
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Posted by Mtk52983 on Sun Dec 17 08:18:29 2017, in response to Re: Forbidden Words at the CDC, posted by AlM on Sun Dec 17 08:15:53 2017. It’s real in the sense that the words are forbidden, it is fake in the sense that there may not have been some nefarious purpose to the listing. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Dec 17 08:24:03 2017, in response to Re: Forbidden Words at the CDC, posted by Mtk52983 on Sun Dec 17 08:18:29 2017. I'm not sure that "The Trump Administration forbids you to use these words" is that much worse than "Trump Administration officials are more likely to reject your budget request if you use these words."Mandatory censorship versus essential voluntary censorship. "You're fired" vs. "Your budget request is disapproved, you no longer have funding, and so your job has been discontinued." |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Dec 17 09:33:05 2017, in response to Re: Forbidden Words at the CDC, posted by AlM on Sun Dec 17 08:15:53 2017. The headline states and the article reiterates that Trump has banned the CDC from using certain words. You’re saying that’s real news? |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Sun Dec 17 10:05:59 2017, in response to Forbidden Words at the CDC, posted by Fred G on Fri Dec 15 22:21:59 2017. "according to a CDC analyst who spoke to The Washington Post." |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Dec 17 12:21:10 2017, in response to Re: Forbidden Words at the CDC, posted by Easy on Sun Dec 17 09:33:05 2017. The headline is wrong. Many headlines are wrong. I often complain about that too. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Dec 17 12:28:34 2017, in response to Re: Forbidden Words at the CDC, posted by AlM on Sun Dec 17 12:21:10 2017. Just the headline? Here’s the first sentence of the article? Are you saying that it’s correct and accurate? I mean someone may have told the Washington Post that, but hell, they can find someone to say practically anything. Was the information that’s relayed in the article correct?“Policy analysts at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention were told by the Trump administration on Thursday that they are not allowed to use the words like "science-based," "evidence-based" and "transgender," in their budget documents, according to a CDC analyst who spoke to The Washington Post.“ |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Dec 17 12:40:22 2017, in response to Re: Forbidden Words at the CDC, posted by Easy on Sun Dec 17 12:28:34 2017. Lol! |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Dec 17 13:00:02 2017, in response to Re: Forbidden Words at the CDC, posted by Easy on Sun Dec 17 12:28:34 2017. Interesting that you find reporting by the Washington Post questionable. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Dec 17 14:51:09 2017, in response to Re: Forbidden Words at the CDC, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Dec 17 13:00:02 2017. Is it? I think that it’s much more interesting that so many Americans accept everything that they’re told at face value.This story may very well be true, but it sounds ridiculous. When I read something that sounds ridiculous I expect a little more supporting evidence. The fact that Trump says and does ridiculous things every day doesn’t make this necessarily true. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Dec 17 17:15:24 2017, in response to Re: Forbidden Words at the CDC, posted by Easy on Sun Dec 17 12:28:34 2017. There is no reason to disbelieve that some people heard the directive as helpful advice while others heard it as an order. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Dec 17 17:30:11 2017, in response to Re: Forbidden Words at the CDC, posted by AlM on Sun Dec 17 17:15:24 2017. The fact that this is even a story of any kind at all, should be deeply disturbing to every American, whether liberal or conservative. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Dec 17 17:34:10 2017, in response to Re: Forbidden Words at the CDC, posted by AlM on Sun Dec 17 17:15:24 2017. It’s clarified somewhat in the Washington Post article. It’s reported that the person giving the directive stated that she was merely relaying information. It’s unclear how they tied that to Trump, but I may have missed it. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Dec 17 17:35:29 2017, in response to Re: Forbidden Words at the CDC, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Dec 17 17:30:11 2017. Assuming that it’s true, I agree. If it turns out not to be true, then you should be equally disturbed for different reasons. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Dec 17 18:02:09 2017, in response to Re: Forbidden Words at the CDC, posted by Easy on Sun Dec 17 17:34:10 2017. It wasn't linked to Trump. It was linked to "Trump Administration Officials."Any political appointees qualify for that description. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Dec 17 18:10:05 2017, in response to Re: Forbidden Words at the CDC, posted by AlM on Sun Dec 17 18:02:09 2017. That’s what I meant. He’s ultimately responsible for actions committed by people that he appoints. |
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