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Posted by Olog-hai* on Sat Jun 24 23:28:02 2017, in response to Re: List of Nones, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jun 24 23:24:42 2017.* Still calling non-Catholics "Catholics", eh?
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Sat Jun 24 23:28:08 2017, in response to Re: List of Nones, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 24 23:21:51 2017.* Hahaha There is a spray to alleviate that. But that shirt is a fashion faux pas hahahaha
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Sat Jun 24 23:56:48 2017, in response to Re: List of Nones, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jun 24 23:24:42 2017.* I don't care why. Faith is greater than Democrats.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Sun Jun 25 00:03:20 2017, in response to Re: List of Nones, posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Jun 24 23:56:48 2017.* Faith is greater than Democrats +∞
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Sun Jun 25 00:05:02 2017, in response to Re: List of Nones, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jun 25 00:03:20 2017.* thanks
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Posted by ClearAspect* on Sun Jun 25 00:12:16 2017, in response to Re: List of Nones, posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Jun 24 23:56:48 2017.* But while I have Faith, I wont use my faith as a weapon or to discriminate. I see our country as a secular nation and not a Christian one.
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Sun Jun 25 00:24:35 2017, in response to Re: List of Nones, posted by ClearAspect on Sun Jun 25 00:12:16 2017.* Cool.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Sun Jun 25 00:32:57 2017, in response to Re: List of Nones, posted by ClearAspect on Sun Jun 25 00:12:16 2017.* Being a Christian country does not mean "discriminating". You should examine your faith more and stop listening to the left, which wants more than mere "secular" society, but enforced atheism.
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Posted by ClearAspect* on Sun Jun 25 02:16:37 2017, in response to Re: List of Nones, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jun 25 00:32:57 2017.* Oh and the right which wants Christiandom the law of the land? I do not like the right cause they want to spread religion and enshrine it through law. Dont kid me. I do not buy the argument of the attack on religion. When the right lets go of Evangelicals dominating the ranks and gets back to its core of small government, smart government then Ill be happy to listen.
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Posted by LuchAAA* on Sun Jun 25 02:25:13 2017, in response to Re: List of Nones, posted by ClearAspect on Sun Jun 25 02:16:37 2017.* If I had known you were going to get all worked up, I never would have started this thread. I see Nones as the present and future and a worthy discussion. My mistake was creating a List.
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Posted by ClearAspect* on Sun Jun 25 02:26:14 2017, in response to Re: List of Nones, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jun 25 02:25:13 2017.* You have a weak threshold for "worked up"
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Posted by LuchAAA* on Sun Jun 25 02:27:40 2017, in response to Re: List of Nones, posted by ClearAspect on Sun Jun 25 02:26:14 2017.* Thread/
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Posted by LuchAAA* on Sun Jun 25 02:36:22 2017, in response to Re: List of Nones, posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Jun 24 23:56:48 2017.* the problem is Catholicism is a branch of the DNC. #irishcatholicism
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Posted by Fred G* on Sun Jun 25 05:36:23 2017, in response to Re: List of Nones, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jun 25 02:36:22 2017.* Other than the Knights of Columbus segment, maybe Personally most people I know that I actually follow Catholicism are conservative
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Posted by LuchAAA* on Sun Jun 25 05:37:38 2017, in response to Re: List of Nones, posted by Fred G on Sun Jun 25 05:36:23 2017.* LOL. You live in a very Catholic and very Democrat part of the country. The Dems can't have success in New England without large support from Catholics.
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Posted by LuchAAA* on Sun Jun 25 05:59:47 2017, in response to Re: List of Nones, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 24 23:28:02 2017.* New England is strongly Democrat. It's strongly Irish-Catholic. It's no coincidence.
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Posted by Fred G* on Sun Jun 25 06:19:14 2017, in response to Re: List of Nones, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jun 25 05:37:38 2017.* The ones I know personally are really focused on being anti-abortion so that defines their loyalty to the GOP. They further lose me when they think they can worship Jesus Christ and Ayn Rand at the same time 😒 But yeah the ones that I actually want to feed the poor and cure the sick, likely Democrats
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Posted by LuchAAA* on Sun Jun 25 06:37:06 2017, in response to Re: List of Nones, posted by Fred G on Sun Jun 25 06:19:14 2017.* Ayn Rand is a Leftist talking point from the 80's when her book was big, before there was Rush Limbaugh or Fox News Channel and now Youtubers who appeal to the right. Only the Left brings her and her book up. New England is very Leftist and has the voting record to back it up.
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Posted by Fred G* on Sun Jun 25 08:13:54 2017, in response to Re: List of Nones, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jun 25 06:37:06 2017.* The righties are about that Ayn Rand life; don't kid yourself.
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Posted by Fred G* on Sun Jun 25 08:22:23 2017, in response to Re: List of Nones, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jun 25 05:59:47 2017.* Here is a collection of maps suitable for OTChat
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Posted by Dave* on Sun Jun 25 11:40:21 2017, in response to Re: List of Nones, posted by Fred G on Sat Jun 24 19:31:26 2017.* You, you, you. It's all about you, isn't it, Fred? (LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Sun Jun 25 11:50:09 2017, in response to Re: List of Nones, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jun 25 06:37:06 2017.* Ayn Rand is a Leftist talking point from the 80s when her book was big You don't seem to realize that there was a movie made of her book The Fountainhead made all the way back in 1949, starring Gary Cooper as Howard Roark. The Fountainhead - 1949 - p1 from Trương Phước Hiệp on Vimeo.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Sun Jun 25 11:52:33 2017, in response to Re: List of Nones, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jun 25 02:25:13 2017.* I see Nones as the present and future Then you're a Marxist. That's how they see the future.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Sun Jun 25 11:54:01 2017, in response to Re: List of Nones, posted by ClearAspect on Sun Jun 25 02:16:37 2017.* Oh and the right which wants Christiandom the law of the land? No. Stop listening to the godless Marxists and get back to your faith. If anyone on the US right wanted that, they would be calling for the end of the First Amendment, not for it to be bolstered. Do you really have faith? Or are you fooling yourself?
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Posted by Fred G* on Sun Jun 25 12:04:13 2017, in response to Re: List of Nones, posted by Dave on Sun Jun 25 11:40:21 2017.* No it's me me me LOL
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sun Jun 25 12:22:13 2017, in response to Re: List of Nones, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jun 25 06:37:06 2017.* Prime Minister Ryan still praises Rand.
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Posted by orange blossom special* on Sun Jun 25 12:37:13 2017, in response to Re: List of Nones, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Jun 24 19:55:21 2017.* He disagrees with the new regime of the Catholics though. I was just reading about the division in the Southern Baptist, that guy is goign to get booted. Most members ask their churchs if they pay their association dues and tell them not to.
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Posted by orange blossom special* on Sun Jun 25 13:44:34 2017, in response to Re: List of Nones, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 24 07:30:54 2017.* Before you said you were spiritual. You cannot really be religious without being spiritual. I used to be so called "spiritual", maybe. The line that I was Jewish but didn't know anything got on my nerves. Then I came to the conclusion that there are 3000 years worth of books. An unknowable amount of books. They say one who doesn't know is an ignoramus. Between the resources of the internet, the unbelievable volumes of books around, and classes, there really is no excuse at all not to know anything. The real problem is, where does one start? It's hard to find something appealing. I found some volumes of "sermons", called commentaries. In the 50's-70's this one Rabbi has a commentary that's about the stuff of the day, and he relates it back to the biblical stories. (About the NYSlimes, The Pope, the UN, the usual, but 40 years ago). They're entertaining, and dare I say educational, in a way that is "light" on Bible content. Because, in my opinion, it's not easy to just get into reading it, the way they portray Christians on television pretending to read random pages of the Bible as though it's a novel. Alternatively, This gets detailed, and I wonder if it's considered dry. Then there's really specific books, laws of this, commentary of that, headlines of the day, whatever. The trouble is finding something to read. One sect is annoying, crying over Trump and ignoring religion altogether. The other side is too matter of fact imo, and some of it gets dry. I personally like the Jewish Mystics, though everyone else hates them. But then I'm "spiritual" I guess. The best, however, is the random JLI classes at any Chabad. It's always a useful subject for everyday living, or history, but they infuse biblical stories. The nice thing is they'll never corner you into coming more frequently, you can come and go. But then again, I don't live anywhere where they haev "mitzvah tanks", so I've never experienced large groups of them. The ones in the middle of nowhere places I live have claimed that they really love meeting people from all stripes. In other words, it would be more authoritative to reject something you know more about, than to do so blindly.
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Posted by orange blossom special* on Sun Jun 25 13:50:27 2017, in response to Re: List of Nones, posted by ClearAspect on Sat Jun 24 04:32:19 2017.* Father Pflager is going to be disappointed.
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Posted by New Flyer #857* on Sun Jun 25 13:58:00 2017, in response to Re: List of Nones, posted by orange blossom special on Sun Jun 25 13:44:34 2017.* You cannot really be religious without being spiritual. Yes, you can. To be religious does not require adhering to one of the "traditional" religions. It simply implies living and acting according to firmly set beliefs. Those beliefs need not include anything in the spiritual realm. Everybody who consciously considers anything and makes any sort of conscious decision is religious. They are depending on what they believe to be good, true, and/or beautiful and worth taking into account when making the decision.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sun Jun 25 14:00:28 2017, in response to Re: List of Nones, posted by orange blossom special on Sun Jun 25 13:44:34 2017.* I never once in my life called myself spiritual. I've not believed in any supernatural God since I was 12. I don't agree that you can't be religious without being spiritual. The problem that I have is that I don't want to reject religion simply because I choose not to believe in fantasy. There are so many other things besides belief in a supernatural God.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Sun Jun 25 14:14:16 2017, in response to Re: List of Nones, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Jun 25 13:58:00 2017.* Too loose of a definition. That makes even Marxists "spiritual".
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Posted by orange blossom special* on Sun Jun 25 14:14:33 2017, in response to List of Nones, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jun 24 04:01:21 2017.* This is a fun thread! I don't know what everyones talking about, I like getting a dose of who all the frequent posters are. Yesterday was nice. I gave up on the 90 year old building that the dodo's are rumored to want to sell off, so I didn't listen to some retired guy visiting from Massachusetts give me his opinion, and went to whatever I characterize the "community center" instead. I'd rather sit in a big place unnoticed, but I did get to dress the Torah. Not too bad.
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Posted by orange blossom special* on Sun Jun 25 14:38:35 2017, in response to Re: List of Nones, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Jun 25 13:58:00 2017.* I don't fully follow, in that this doesn't sound right. If I believe in a hard days work, and getting up before dawn, and having a pizza every wednesday, that firm set of belief isn't a religion per se. Although that's really far of a stretch, so instead, I'll give some of the blue city sayings I hear. I don't believe in war, and I refuse to settle down because "someone better and more hotter may come along". That's also not a religion. I'm not even sure if that's a philosphy. maybe give me an example.
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Posted by orange blossom special* on Sun Jun 25 14:50:00 2017, in response to Re: List of Nones, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 25 14:00:28 2017.* To quote the founders of the county, it's Natures God. There's nothing "supernatural" about it. It's not a conversation I want to flow towards though, I'm not here to convert people, unlike Mormans and Muzzies, I don't care that much about ppl. I'll only postulate these three things: A) I had to suffer through so many science classes and genetics classes, that I thoroughly enjoyed, only to find out that the "science changed" and half of what I learned appears to be wrong. Did you hear this nonsense that peoples eye colors are more complicated than just brown being dominant, etc etc? Leading to B) It's fascinating that what George Carlin and Bill Mahar taught me is so far from what "religion" is supposed to be, that one feels as though they've been actively lied to. If you like diversity and learning about other people, it's an interesting subject. C) Even if it were fantasy, you have to admit the Rabbi's 3300 years ago were pretty dang smart to come up with a guide on interpersonal relations and creating a relatively decent society! That alone makes it a worth the read. What's more reactionary? Flat earth theories, global warming, or a blanket guesstimate against religion because it's just simply not as cool as worrying about a Free Gaza? For an example, not pointing fingers at you regarding free gaza. I think Star Trek TNG is beyond stupid with it's utopia, but I still love the show. Though I'm still PO'd that Enterprise was cancelled, that was a good one.
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/* on Sun Jun 25 14:52:52 2017, in response to Re: List of Nones, posted by orange blossom special on Sun Jun 25 14:50:00 2017.* enterprise sucked sorry
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Sun Jun 25 14:57:01 2017, in response to Re: List of Nones, posted by orange blossom special on Sun Jun 25 14:50:00 2017.* They should have gotten into the Earth-Romulan War in Enterprise, especially when it was set in that general era. They were starting to build up to it. We could have seen the ancestors of Lieutenant Stiles from the Balance of Terror episode too.
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Posted by orange blossom special* on Sun Jun 25 15:01:36 2017, in response to Re: List of Nones, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sun Jun 25 14:52:52 2017.* Seriously?!??! You hate Captain Archer? If I ignore the battle of original vs. TNG, I love Enterprise followed by DS9. The captains made those two shows. But enterprise seemed so realistic, in just the way the characters interacted.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sun Jun 25 15:07:09 2017, in response to Re: List of Nones, posted by orange blossom special on Sun Jun 25 14:50:00 2017.* What is "Nature's God?" Nature doesn't have a conscious entity guiding it. What's more reactionary? Flat earth theories, global warming, or a blanket guesstimate against religion because it's just simply not as cool as worrying about a Free Gaza? What does that mean?
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/* on Sun Jun 25 15:31:09 2017, in response to Re: List of Nones, posted by orange blossom special on Sun Jun 25 15:01:36 2017.* DS9 rocked the early episodes however i thought voyager was good too oh well
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Posted by orange blossom special* on Sun Jun 25 15:33:53 2017, in response to Re: List of Nones, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 25 15:07:09 2017.* You reject things in a reactionary manner without going through the scientific method, or the English majors method even. Just because it's the cool thing to do.
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Posted by orange blossom special* on Sun Jun 25 15:34:40 2017, in response to Re: List of Nones, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 25 15:07:09 2017.* Secondly, I don't argue with urban dwellers about nature. That ones even more obvious than the religion discussion.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sun Jun 25 15:36:16 2017, in response to Re: List of Nones, posted by orange blossom special on Sun Jun 25 15:33:53 2017.* It's not reactionary to reject a supernatural god.
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Posted by orange blossom special* on Sun Jun 25 15:41:11 2017, in response to Re: List of Nones, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 25 15:36:16 2017.* You do so in such a swift and unknowing reactionary manner though. And the "supernatural" is such a Christian thing. Your rejection of the connection with nature shows that you should read a book or two at first, because the whole thing regarding miracles are all based in nature itself. My original post was just some suggestions that it's nice to know what you are rejecting, because at least you have a reason for it. Judging from your confusion over nature and the so-called "supernatural"(what are you talking about St. Michael or something?), I'm going to have to secretly convert you.
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Posted by orange blossom special* on Sun Jun 25 15:47:06 2017, in response to Re: List of Nones, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sun Jun 25 15:31:09 2017.* I agree about the early episodes of DS9 too. The later ones seemed like they were trying to compete and copy Babylon 5. Voyager I have a hard time with, I want to follow through and watch all the seasons in the hopes that the show finds its footing later on. I like some of the characters, but the whole rebel crew thing, whatever they were called is iffy for me.
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/* on Sun Jun 25 15:54:53 2017, in response to Re: List of Nones, posted by orange blossom special on Sun Jun 25 15:47:06 2017.* yeah babylon 5 is nice too and ..... i was given a set of dvds on that however i will not watch enterprise wich sucked in my honest opinion
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/* on Sun Jun 25 15:55:49 2017, in response to Re: List of Nones, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sun Jun 25 15:54:53 2017.* whoops spelling errors
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Posted by Dave* on Sun Jun 25 15:57:57 2017, in response to Re: List of Nones, posted by orange blossom special on Sun Jun 25 15:47:06 2017.* Although I found Voyager to be by far the weakest of any in the franchise, their episode "The Thaw," with the creepy clown played by Michael McKean, was IMO one of the very best ever.
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Posted by orange blossom special* on Sun Jun 25 18:00:05 2017, in response to Re: List of Nones, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jun 24 15:59:11 2017.* I don't know if the sound effects, music and the screaming "Diablo!" is really charismatic in my definition.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sun Jun 25 18:26:44 2017, in response to Re: List of Nones, posted by orange blossom special on Sun Jun 25 15:41:11 2017.* So you're advocating deism? What's the point of claiming that nature is "God" when it really doesn't resemble an interventionist god?
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