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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Dec 7 03:37:58 2005, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by BIE on Wed Dec 7 03:34:47 2005. osama was made by the regan - bush errors just like saddam was aidedand supplied to the hilt back in the 1980s why everone forgets this is beyond me osama bin laden and the organization he is with was all REGAN.... and the mujiadeen and Talaban !! |
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Posted by M15 to South Ferry on Wed Dec 7 03:38:03 2005, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by BIE on Wed Dec 7 03:36:25 2005. Um I was responding to the post about the list of muslim ppl in conflict w/their neighbors.Leave that in another topic. |
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Posted by BIE on Wed Dec 7 03:58:43 2005, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by M15 to South Ferry on Wed Dec 7 03:38:03 2005. Answer the question, Why did the LOSERS give saddam support and CHEMICAL WEAPONS. |
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Posted by mr_brian on Wed Dec 7 09:54:57 2005, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Dec 5 23:24:53 2005. Your post (as usual) makes no sense. |
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Re: IS GEORGE BUSH ... It's ludicrous to call a sitting President ''best'' or ''worst'' |
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Posted by JPC on Wed Dec 7 15:03:13 2005, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH ... It's ludicrous to call a sitting President "best" or "worst", posted by Fred G on Mon Dec 5 18:35:35 2005. I think part of this perception rests in the fact that more recent issues tend to be more controversial. All presidents in their time were quite controversial. Even those presidents that have been all but canonized by modern opinion often were quite vehemently hated in their day - Lincoln for example, as Chris pointed out. But as time goes on, opinions on various issues solidifies and thus our opinions on public figures and events solidifies as well. This is the "verdict of history," and often has little to do with popularity or with opinion at the time of the events.Truman represents the last of the WWII-era presidents, what is generally considered to be the last most recent epoch of history. And you might note that generally opinions on this era are pretty non-controversial - we pretty much all agree on what happened and what should have been done. This was most certainly not the case back when the events were occurring - ask someone old enough to remember. The next epoch after the WWII era was the Cold War, which only recently ended, so my prediction is that within the net 10-20 years you will see opinions gel (and it already is starting to) on issues like containment, disarmament, appeasement, nuclear weapons and deterrence, the Vietnam war, the draft, and of course the associated domestic issues - deficit spending, military buildup, street crime, and so on. What we're in now is likely the next epoch to follow the Cold War. Eactly when and how it started is not apparent yet, but someday will be. Perhaps September 11, 2001, but then again maybe not. It will all be clear someday. The issues we deal with today are dealing with terrorists and other stateless entities and rogue dictators in Third World nations and how to deal with them (as opposed to nuclear superpowers), and on the home front, dealing with the effects of technology, particularly in health care - genetic treatments, the rising cost of health care and government's role in it, the rapidly aging population, as well as issues of domestic security (protection against terrorism). Issues of individual rights (abortion, the right to die, limits to freedom of religion and speech, and so on) may also rise to prominence, as part of the larger debate between the socialism espoused by modern American liberals and the EU, and essentially libertarianism as advocated in the Constitution. (At least, that's one of my pet issues that I'd like to see raised more generally in society). To give a specific example of this gelling of opinion, affirmative action, is an issue that divides Americans nowadays. If we had a discussion on affirmative action on this board, it would quickly devolve into a flame war. But we all agree that slavery is wrong. Unless, perhaps there's one white supremacist out there (and shame on him). The fact that we all agree, and have the same reaction, to the last statement, is testament to the gelling of opinion. But if we had O/T chat back in the 1840's, public opinion on slavery would be just as divided as it is on affirmative action today. There would be all sorts of arguments, sounding quite alien to modern ears, that people would take seriously. The idea that black people were somehow biologically different from white people was taken seriously, even, sadly by many scientists and others who should have known better. If you were brought up in a society where black people were treated as second-class human beings in everyday life, the idea of continuing it does not seem so strange, despite however many persuasive arguments by abolitionists to the contrary. But as time goes on, opinions gel on various issues. The abolitionists won the slavery debate, the Union won the War Between the States (which became known as the Civil War), and the president who led the Union through this war was virtually deified. Someday virtually all of us will come to some common conclusion about affirmative action, about abortion, about the federal deficit, about socialized medicine, about the death penalty, about how to deal with terrorism, and so on. That future discussion on affirmative action would be completely one-sided, with all the other arguments that would pop up on this board seeming as senseless and immoral to our descendants as the archaic justifications of slavery proffered in the 1840's. If I knew what that position would be, I'd be a far wiser person than I am. All we can do is go along for the ride, but isn't that the wonder of life? And once these opinions gel, we will generally be able to weigh the worth of our modern presidents with less uncertainty and certainly less controversy. Did Reagan's hardline policies with respect to the Soviet Union work? It appears they did. What about his various jaunts through Central America? Supporting Saddam Hussein in the 1980's and taking a hardline stance against Iran? What about ballooning the federal deficit? Once we have a better handle on these issues, it will be much clearer to evaluate President Reagan's influence. Bush 41 presided smoothly over the collapse of the Soviet Union and the end of the Cold War. He successfully removed Saddam Hussein from Kuwait, but as a political realist, left Hussein in power, did not support the Iraqi rebellions to overthrow him after the Gulf War, and left a mess that would lead to a war just twelve years later. The economy also went south during his term. What will Bush 41's legacy be? We won't know until we have come to agreements on the value of these decisions. But of course by then we will have a whole new crop of issues to deal with. Rights of aliens (the kind from outer space)? Genetically modified humans? Habitability of other planets? Dealing with whatever results today's environmental concerns cause? And so on. |
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Posted by M15 to South Ferry on Wed Dec 7 15:42:05 2005, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by BIE on Wed Dec 7 03:58:43 2005. Fine, to attack Iran and keep them at bay. Happy? |
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Posted by BIE on Thu Dec 8 07:13:22 2005, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by M15 to South Ferry on Wed Dec 7 15:42:05 2005. Why was the former shah dictatorship propped up by the US far so long? |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Thu Dec 8 15:04:08 2005, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by BIE on Thu Dec 8 07:13:22 2005. He supported the Western lifestyle, had he been supported Iran and Iraq could've been kept at bay. Unfortunately the Ayatollahs had to take over. Thus leading to us to prop up Saddam to fight Iran and keep the balance of power. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 6 21:11:29 2017, in response to IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Dec 5 01:36:56 2005. No, George W. Bush is not the worst president ever, no question. |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Sat May 6 21:19:52 2017, in response to IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Dec 5 01:36:56 2005. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 6 21:22:55 2017, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by Chicagomotorman on Sat May 6 21:19:52 2017. Look at the date of the first post. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat May 6 21:29:53 2017, in response to IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Dec 5 01:36:56 2005. many feel he exploited 9/11 to go into Iraq. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat May 6 21:54:48 2017, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by LuchAAA on Sat May 6 21:29:53 2017. He did....amazingly, it seems to pale in comparison to what this twit is doing...... |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat May 6 22:02:19 2017, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by LuchAAA on Sat May 6 21:29:53 2017. Another zucchini park syndrome. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat May 6 22:04:18 2017, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by Catfish 44 on Sat May 6 22:02:19 2017. i think stories about dynamite in the towers is crazy.controlled implosion. all that is crazy. But did Bush did get a free pass to invade Iraq on 9/11. That's just a fact. Without 9/11 I don't think we would have invaded Iraq. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Sat May 6 22:08:46 2017, in response to IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Dec 5 01:36:56 2005. Jimmy Carter was the worst President of my lifetime. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat May 6 22:14:17 2017, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by LuchAAA on Sat May 6 22:04:18 2017. I understand that but its a moot point. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat May 6 22:28:26 2017, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by Mitch45 on Sat May 6 22:08:46 2017. I disagree. It was bush, followed by Reagan. |
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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Sat May 6 22:45:51 2017, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by bingbong on Sat May 6 22:28:26 2017. Come on lady, stop trying to show your historical ignorance. If you really believe that Reagan was worse than Carter, Clinton and Obama you might need an anal brain transplant. That statement is below the pale for historical ignorance. Already Reagan has been elevated on many historical lists as a near great President, and it will only get better as the years go on and he's compared with some of his successors. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 6 22:49:31 2017, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by Mitch45 on Sat May 6 22:08:46 2017. You must have died months ago and are now posting from beyond the grave. |
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Posted by R30a on Sat May 6 22:52:30 2017, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 6 22:49:31 2017. Nah, he is simply delusional. Nobody who survived the Carter administration can really say that Carter was the worst. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat May 6 22:56:01 2017, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 6 22:49:31 2017. That's insensitive. |
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Posted by R2Chinatown on Sat May 6 23:11:50 2017, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by bingbong on Sat May 6 22:28:26 2017. Thank you! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 6 23:14:54 2017, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Sat May 6 22:45:51 2017. Anal brains? Thought only cockroaches had them? |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Sat May 6 23:41:39 2017, in response to Re: reve — tnediserp tsrow eht hsub egroeg si, posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 6 21:22:55 2017. I already did. |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Sat May 6 23:42:26 2017, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by bingbong on Sat May 6 21:54:48 2017. No, you're a twit. |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Sat May 6 23:44:58 2017, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by bingbong on Sat May 6 22:28:26 2017. You never were, you're not now, and you never will be. |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Sat May 6 23:45:35 2017, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Sat May 6 22:45:51 2017. Excellent post. |
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Posted by ftgreeneg on Sat May 6 23:46:15 2017, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Sat May 6 22:45:51 2017. Ehhhh Reagan's depictions of blacks as 'Welfare Queens', and pretty much everything wrong in America through his use of the Southern Strategy. His cuts to programs helping poor ppl resulting in rising homelessness he was not the angel the Right depicts him to be and he can kiss my ass.BTW the worst Pres is Bush the 2nd and it's not even close. The man ushered in ths country's worzt recession since the Great Depression. |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Sat May 6 23:48:22 2017, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by ftgreeneg on Sat May 6 23:46:15 2017. Go ahead, call Reagan a racist. It might make you feel better. |
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Posted by ftgreeneg on Sat May 6 23:56:17 2017, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by Chicagomotorman on Sat May 6 23:48:22 2017. Don't have to say it. His actions spoke for itself. |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Sat May 6 23:58:44 2017, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by ftgreeneg on Sat May 6 23:56:17 2017. He wasn't blunt enough for you with his racism as the obamas. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun May 7 00:06:59 2017, in response to Re: reve — tnediserp tsrow eht hsub egroeg si, posted by Chicagomotorman on Sat May 6 23:41:39 2017. Ah good. |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Sun May 7 00:13:27 2017, in response to Re: reve — tnediserp tsrow eht hsub egroeg si, posted by Olog-hai on Sun May 7 00:06:59 2017. What is that? Japanese? |
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Posted by ftgreeneg on Sun May 7 00:29:15 2017, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by Chicagomotorman on Sat May 6 23:58:44 2017. Obama's racist? Lol. There might be complaints to be made about Obama as pres but racist isn't one of them. And he was far from the worst. |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sun May 7 00:38:51 2017, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Mon Dec 5 19:42:51 2005. i am gald you are gone !!!big lol |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sun May 7 00:39:19 2017, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 6 21:11:29 2017. i know trump is |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sun May 7 00:44:30 2017, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by ftgreeneg on Sat May 6 23:46:15 2017. IAWTP |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Sun May 7 00:49:06 2017, in response to IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Dec 5 01:36:56 2005. Nope!!LBJ, Carter and numerous others can def earn thet spot |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sun May 7 00:52:10 2017, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by ClearAspect on Sun May 7 00:49:06 2017. carter was not that bad |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sun May 7 00:55:09 2017, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by ClearAspect on Sun May 7 00:49:06 2017. Wait AlM reads this |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sun May 7 00:57:15 2017, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sun May 7 00:52:10 2017. malaiseA wonderful time. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun May 7 01:05:49 2017, in response to Re: reve — tnediserp tsrow eht hsub egroeg si, posted by Chicagomotorman on Sun May 7 00:13:27 2017. What is what? |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Sun May 7 02:45:04 2017, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by ftgreeneg on Sun May 7 00:29:15 2017. obamas. Plural. |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Sun May 7 02:46:54 2017, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sun May 7 00:38:51 2017. I'm not. I miss him. |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Sun May 7 02:48:57 2017, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sun May 7 00:44:30 2017. Birds of a feather. |
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Posted by ftgreeneg on Sun May 7 03:05:53 2017, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by Chicagomotorman on Sun May 7 02:45:04 2017. Michelle Obama? What did she besides wanting to wanting healthy school lunch and fight childhood obesity...lol. During the Obama presidency don't think I've seen so many ppl hate one a first lady as much as Michelle Obama. |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Sun May 7 03:21:12 2017, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by ftgreeneg on Sun May 7 03:05:53 2017. I am not on my computer now. Later this morning I will post various You tube videos with proof. Which of course you will have nothing but excuses for. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Sun May 7 03:23:38 2017, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by bingbong on Sat May 6 22:28:26 2017. Surely you must be joking. And yes, I'm calling you Shirley. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun May 7 03:48:48 2017, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by ftgreeneg on Sun May 7 03:05:53 2017. honestly, I have to say, I never heard Prager rant on Michelle Obama. |
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