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Posted by SLRT on Mon Jan 23 12:06:45 2017 He has withdrawn support to the pact.Wapo says this is mostly symbolic because it probably wouldn't have passed the Congress anyway. Almost all Democrats should be ecstatic. It was a big issue for Bernie, and Hillary claimed to have turned against it. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jan 23 12:15:30 2017, in response to Trump Cancels TPP, posted by SLRT on Mon Jan 23 12:06:45 2017. Not me, I am tradeholio. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Jan 23 12:19:03 2017, in response to Trump Cancels TPP, posted by SLRT on Mon Jan 23 12:06:45 2017. Almost all Democrats should be ecstatic.Why? Opposition to the TPP was a failed attempt by Democrats to cater to the Trumpenproletariat. The TPP was actually an attempt to reduce Chinese power on trade - the Chinese weren't part of the TPP - I wonder how many Trump supporters realize that. Trump has been in office only 3 days and he's already been suckered by the Chinese. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jan 23 12:20:11 2017, in response to Re: Trump Cancels TPP, posted by AlM on Mon Jan 23 12:19:03 2017. Excellent post. |
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Posted by SLRT on Mon Jan 23 12:32:44 2017, in response to Re: Trump Cancels TPP, posted by AlM on Mon Jan 23 12:19:03 2017. Why? Opposition to the TPP was a failed attempt by Democrats to cater to the Trumpenproletariat.No, it was an attempt to appeal to Bernie's voters and keep them from bolting Hillary. Love how everything gets reinterpreted to involve Trump. Someone who boasted that she would put coal miners out of work and characterized the Trumpenproletariat as "a basket of deplorables" wasn't trying to kiss up to them with TPP opposition. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 23 12:47:00 2017, in response to Re: Trump Cancels TPP, posted by SLRT on Mon Jan 23 12:32:44 2017. Love how everything gets reinterpreted to involve Trump.It's hysterical actually. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jan 23 13:19:57 2017, in response to Re: Trump Cancels TPP, posted by SLRT on Mon Jan 23 12:32:44 2017. pwn4g3. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Jan 23 21:00:39 2017, in response to Re: Trump Cancels TPP, posted by AlM on Mon Jan 23 12:19:03 2017. The only pro TPP candidate of the four was Gary Johnson.Just sayin :). |
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Posted by displaced angeleno on Tue Jan 24 00:39:48 2017, in response to Re: Trump Cancels TPP, posted by SLRT on Mon Jan 23 12:32:44 2017. From Politifact:So what did Clinton say about putting coal miners out of work? We decided to look at the full context. She made the comment during a March 13 CNN Town Hall. Journalist Roland Martin asked, in effect, why should poor white people vote for her. In her response, Clinton did say that she would be putting coal companies out of business, as a result of moving toward renewable energy sources. But she followed that by saying she wanted to create new economic opportunities for current coal workers, possibly spurred by clean energy development. Here are her full remarks, with the most relevant parts in bold: Look, we have serious economic problems in many parts of our country. And Roland is absolutely right. Instead of dividing people the way Donald Trump does, let's reunite around policies that will bring jobs and opportunities to all these underserved poor communities. So for example, I'm the only candidate which has a policy about how to bring economic opportunity using clean renewable energy as the key into coal country. Because we're going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business, right? And we're going to make it clear that we don't want to forget those people. Those people labored in those mines for generations, losing their health, often losing their lives to turn on our lights and power our factories. Now we've got to move away from coal and all the other fossil fuels, but I don't want to move away from the people who did the best they could to produce the energy that we relied on. So whether it's coal country or Indian country or poor urban areas, there is a lot of poverty in America. We have gone backwards. We were moving in the right direction. In the '90s, more people were lifted out of poverty than any time in recent history. Because of the terrible economic policies of the Bush administration, President Obama was left with the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression, and people fell back into poverty because they lost jobs, they lost homes, they lost opportunities, and hope. So I am passionate about this, which is why I have put forward specific plans about how we incentivize more jobs, more investment in poor communities, and put people to work. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 24 01:50:02 2017, in response to Re: Trump Cancels TPP, posted by displaced angeleno on Tue Jan 24 00:39:48 2017. Wow, she really put her foot in her mouth there. |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Jan 24 09:41:45 2017, in response to Re: Trump Cancels TPP, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Jan 23 21:00:39 2017. My guess is that if Hillary had become President, she would have "carefully studied" the TPP, and then announced that changes would be made to make it better and thus support it again. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 24 09:50:23 2017, in response to Re: Trump Cancels TPP, posted by SLRT on Tue Jan 24 09:41:45 2017. IAWTP. That was one reason to support Hillary. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Jan 24 09:53:04 2017, in response to Re: Trump Cancels TPP, posted by SLRT on Tue Jan 24 09:41:45 2017. My guess is that if Hillary had become President, she would have "carefully studied" the TPP, and then announced that changes would be made to make it better and thus support it again.There is no reason to believe that Trump will not do the same within the next four years. Consistency has not been his strong point. |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Jan 24 11:00:06 2017, in response to Re: Trump Cancels TPP, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Jan 24 09:53:04 2017. Proff? |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Jan 24 11:08:02 2017, in response to Re: Trump Cancels TPP, posted by SLRT on Tue Jan 24 11:00:06 2017. Google his public statements since he declared his candidacy. They clearly show that consistency is not his strong point. |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Jan 24 11:21:06 2017, in response to Re: Trump Cancels TPP, posted by AlM on Tue Jan 24 11:08:02 2017. Give me some significant ones. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Tue Jan 24 11:21:28 2017, in response to Re: Trump Cancels TPP, posted by SLRT on Tue Jan 24 11:00:06 2017. Then: I will release my tax returns after the audit is completeNow: I am never releasing my tax returns Then: Lock her up! Now: We'll see Then: "I am very Pro Choice" -1999 Interview Now: "I am pro-life, and I will be appointing pro-life judges" |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Jan 24 11:27:55 2017, in response to Re: Trump Cancels TPP, posted by SLRT on Tue Jan 24 11:21:06 2017. LOL.I'll give you two. His position on trade has varied from 45% tariffs on everything made in China to essentially "we'll be tough negotiators to insure that we get treated fairly." His position on abortion has varied from "women who have abortions should be punished" to "we'll try to make it impossible for low income women in states whose legislatures cooperate to have legal abortions." |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Jan 24 11:40:57 2017, in response to Re: Trump Cancels TPP, posted by AlM on Tue Jan 24 11:27:55 2017. The first was not a specific issue like TPP.The second was a brief comment solicited by Chris Matthews (IIRC) that Trump walked back immediately. I don't see a pattern that says he will change core values. Nothing of the magnitude of Hillary being the virtual architect of TPP and then opposing it when she was scared Bernie would beat her. |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Jan 24 11:51:44 2017, in response to Re: Trump Cancels TPP, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Jan 24 11:21:28 2017. Obama:If you like your plan, you can keep your plan. If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. Raise the minimum wage and index it to inflation. Close the prison at Guantanamo Bay. Create a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants. Restrict people moving between lobbying and working in the administration. Convene a bipartisan group of key lawmakers to foster better executive-legislative relations on foreign policy. End the practice of writing legislation behind closed doors. Close special-interest corporate loopholes. Enact a windfall profits tax on excessive oil company profits to provide a $1,000 emergency energy rebate to U.S. families. Establish a low national carbon-fuel standard. Make a sustained push to support Israel and achieve the goal of two states — a Jewish state in Israel and a Palestinian state. Ensure freedom to unionize and fight for passage of the Employee Free Choice Act. Double federal funding for basic research over 10 years (2009-2018). Create 1 million new manufacturing jobs between 2012 and 2016. Double U.S. exports over the next five years (2013-2017). End the war in Afghanistan in 2014. Lead the world in college graduates by 2020. Train 2 million Americans in a community college-business partnership. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Jan 24 12:14:52 2017, in response to Re: Trump Cancels TPP, posted by SLRT on Tue Jan 24 11:51:44 2017. Irrelevant. You disputed Trump's inconsistency and got replies to that. |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Jan 24 12:26:53 2017, in response to Re: Trump Cancels TPP, posted by AlM on Tue Jan 24 12:14:52 2017. All politicians have inconsistencies. Let's see what Trump backs off on once he's been in office a while. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 24 14:14:55 2017, in response to Re: Trump Cancels TPP, posted by AlM on Tue Jan 24 12:14:52 2017. Irrelevant.LOL!!! |
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Posted by displaced angeleno on Tue Jan 24 15:30:37 2017, in response to Re: Trump Cancels TPP, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 24 01:50:02 2017. How so? The death of coal is an inevitable result of technological progress, much like Radio Shack and toll booths, just ask Mitch McConnell.She said that these jobs were going away, it's a good thing for them and everyone one else that the jobs will disappear. However, it will be a tragedy if those jobs aren't replaced with new, better jobs. |
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Posted by TonyG on Tue Jan 24 16:07:33 2017, in response to Trump Cancels TPP, posted by SLRT on Mon Jan 23 12:06:45 2017. It'll come back in some form.This is just to appease his base. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Jan 25 03:02:37 2017, in response to Re: Trump Cancels TPP, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Jan 24 09:53:04 2017. He'll do something on that level. You don't get Japan's prime minister singing your praises without having promised something interesting...Truth is the TPP as written was a raw deal for pretty much everyone. It was fast tracked in the dark of night. Rewritten with some transparency is a good idea regardless. |
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