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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Jan 16 17:34:27 2017 DC Police Prohibited From Having Body Cameras On At Inauguration Day ProtestsYou can't make this stuff up. After the liberals protested to get the cameras in the first place, now they're saying they can't use them. Could it be because it turns out the cameras have been found to back up the officer's side more often than the so-called victim's? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jan 16 17:43:18 2017, in response to DC Police forbidden to use body cameras at Inauguration Day protests, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Jan 16 17:34:27 2017. People don't understand how dangerous The Left is. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Mon Jan 16 17:49:14 2017, in response to Re: DC Police forbidden to use body cameras at Inauguration Day protests, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jan 16 17:43:18 2017. Normal people do realize. That's why we have republican controlled executive and legislature. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Jan 16 17:53:36 2017, in response to DC Police forbidden to use body cameras at Inauguration Day protests, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Jan 16 17:34:27 2017. If there is 1 day of 365 they need it, it's THAT day.Cameras don't lie. They have contradicted the cop's side as well. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jan 16 18:06:32 2017, in response to Re: DC Police forbidden to use body cameras at Inauguration Day protests, posted by R2ChinaTown on Mon Jan 16 17:49:14 2017. No, it's because the system is rigged in favor of the right kind of people. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Jan 16 18:23:12 2017, in response to Re: DC Police forbidden to use body cameras at Inauguration Day protests, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jan 16 17:43:18 2017. Yep. That's why the Left is running Congress, the Presidency, and most state legislatures. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Jan 16 18:43:11 2017, in response to DC Police forbidden to use body cameras at Inauguration Day protests, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Jan 16 17:34:27 2017. The major question is what happens to the camera data, if there is no incident. If it's stored for future use, that data can be used to create a dossier of people hostile or friendly to the Trump regime.The use of facial recognition software, means names can be applied to anonymous faces. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Jan 16 20:07:30 2017, in response to Re: DC Police forbidden to use body cameras at Inauguration Day protests, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Jan 16 18:43:11 2017. They already know everyone who's there anyway with cell phone tower data. While the NSA isn't (supposed to be) grabbing it anymore, the private carriers are archiving it for the required amount of time, ready to be subpoena'd into the hands of law enforcement anyway.Plus all the videos by the protesters that will be ending up on social media. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Mon Jan 16 20:07:51 2017, in response to Re: DC Police forbidden to use body cameras at Inauguration Day protests, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jan 16 18:06:32 2017. LOL. Spoken like a loyal snowflake. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Mon Jan 16 20:11:23 2017, in response to Re: DC Police forbidden to use body cameras at Inauguration Day protests, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Jan 16 18:43:11 2017. yeah, huh? wow. talk about hypocrisy..."we must record every interaction between cop and citizen! and now, belatedly, "arguments" are being made against using them by the same people who were proselytizing their introduction because somebody said "wait! holy shit, our faces are now gonna be on record!!". well, tough titties. everyone wanted the cameras...now y'all gets to reap what yee hath sown.fuggin' dopes. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Jan 16 20:24:38 2017, in response to Re: DC Police forbidden to use body cameras at Inauguration Day protests, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jan 16 18:06:32 2017. Rigged? Oh please. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Jan 16 20:29:51 2017, in response to Re: DC Police forbidden to use body cameras at Inauguration Day protests, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Jan 16 20:07:30 2017. They already know everyone who's there anyway with cell phone tower data.1. Much more controlled even if the NSA has it, which it shouldn't. 2. People have to turn their phone on. 3. It just tells you who is in the general area. It doesn't say whether they were yelling "Fuck Trump" or just marching peacefully. Too many people to use as an enemies list. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Jan 16 20:30:55 2017, in response to Re: DC Police forbidden to use body cameras at Inauguration Day protests, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Jan 16 20:24:38 2017. You said it yourself. You prefer rural and suburban voters to have a greater voice in electing the president than urban voters.And House districts are clearly gerrymandered. No one denies that. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Jan 16 20:44:53 2017, in response to Re: DC Police forbidden to use body cameras at Inauguration Day protests, posted by AlM on Mon Jan 16 20:30:55 2017. Yet Democrats win regardless. But of course, when they don't, it's "rigged" |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jan 16 21:25:56 2017, in response to Re: DC Police forbidden to use body cameras at Inauguration Day protests, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Jan 16 20:44:53 2017. Democrats only win when they have near-supermajorities. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Jan 16 22:03:52 2017, in response to Re: DC Police forbidden to use body cameras at Inauguration Day protests, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jan 16 21:25:56 2017. No, not true. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jan 16 22:23:24 2017, in response to Re: DC Police forbidden to use body cameras at Inauguration Day protests, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Jan 16 22:03:52 2017. How else do you explain Democrats losing despite winning majorities? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jan 16 23:01:01 2017, in response to Re: DC Police forbidden to use body cameras at Inauguration Day protests, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Jan 16 20:24:38 2017. Say, he's talking exactly like Trump! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jan 16 23:37:43 2017, in response to Re: DC Police forbidden to use body cameras at Inauguration Day protests, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jan 16 23:01:01 2017. It’s not rigged in the way Trump claimed it was. Everything about the election was transparent and within the clear, established rules. No corruption. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Jan 17 09:26:04 2017, in response to Re: DC Police forbidden to use body cameras at Inauguration Day protests, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Jan 16 22:03:52 2017. In multiple elections in this century, Democrats have won the popular vote for the House, and yet lost the House, or won the popular vote for the presidency, and yet lost the presidency. And you think that is good.It's certainly legal, and therefore the elections weren't rigged. But by saying it's good, you agree the "system" (not the elections themselves) is rigged. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 17 09:31:22 2017, in response to Re: DC Police forbidden to use body cameras at Inauguration Day protests, posted by AlM on Tue Jan 17 09:26:04 2017. Again, if not for the electoral college, the popular vote will always go thew way three metropolitan areas go, Los Angeles, New York, and perhaps add Chicago. The rest of the country be damned. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 17 09:31:23 2017, in response to Re: DC Police forbidden to use body cameras at Inauguration Day protests, posted by AlM on Tue Jan 17 09:26:04 2017. Again, if not for the electoral college, the popular vote will always go thew way three metropolitan areas go, Los Angeles, New York, and perhaps add Chicago. The rest of the country be damned. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 17 09:33:24 2017, in response to Re: DC Police forbidden to use body cameras at Inauguration Day protests, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jan 16 23:37:43 2017. And again, that is correct. And if the system was different to get elected, campaigning would have been different also. So the popular vote in this situation would be different (in either favor) if both Clinton and Trump would have had to do different things to win. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Jan 17 09:46:40 2017, in response to Re: DC Police forbidden to use body cameras at Inauguration Day protests, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 17 09:31:22 2017. the popular vote will always go the way three metropolitan areas go, Los Angeles, New York, and perhaps add Chicago. The rest of the country be damned.That's why Bush lost the popular vote in 2004, right? You are agreeing you want the system to be rigged in favor of rural and suburban voters. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Jan 17 09:47:13 2017, in response to Re: DC Police forbidden to use body cameras at Inauguration Day protests, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jan 16 23:37:43 2017. In my opinion thats not true. Going back to the nominations, the media continually gave Trump preferential coverage while being harder or ignoring the other republican candidates. They clearly wanted Trump as the Republican nominee because they assumed he would be easily crushed by a hillary Clinton campaign that was better funded and far better organized. Then as soon as Trump got the nomination, the media went after him with a vengeance while largely ignoring all of the hillary scandals. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Jan 17 09:52:20 2017, in response to Re: DC Police forbidden to use body cameras at Inauguration Day protests, posted by AlM on Mon Jan 16 20:30:55 2017. Its no secret that they are gerrymandered with democrats sculpting areas that include large cemeteries. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 17 10:04:15 2017, in response to Re: DC Police forbidden to use body cameras at Inauguration Day protests, posted by AlM on Tue Jan 17 09:46:40 2017. Not at all. Again, the elections would always go the way New york City and Los Angeles go. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 17 10:08:24 2017, in response to Re: DC Police forbidden to use body cameras at Inauguration Day protests, posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Jan 17 09:47:13 2017. They clearly wanted Trump as the Republican nominee because they assumed he would be easily crushed by a hillary Clinton campaign that was better funded and far better organized.That is correct. It's the SMAZ theory. Switch to your opposition party during the primaries, so that you can vote for the "worst" candidate the opposition has, so that he/she will be the nominee of that party, and your preferred party candidates can easier beat him/her. He came right out and said that was his thinking. I attacked him for it years ago (may have been way back in 2004) saying that can "backfire". As for the "better funded" Democrats. Hillary spent 8 TIMES that of Trump, and look how well that worked for her. It says a lot about things. Imagine if Trump spent 8 times the money. We wouldn't even be having this conversation about "popular vote". |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Jan 17 10:09:26 2017, in response to Re: DC Police forbidden to use body cameras at Inauguration Day protests, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 17 10:04:15 2017. Again, the elections would always go the way New york City and Los Angeles go.Sorry, you can have your own opinion but you can't have your own facts. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 17 10:10:08 2017, in response to Re: DC Police forbidden to use body cameras at Inauguration Day protests, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 17 10:04:15 2017. And that is even forgetting that spending, campaigning, and so forth would have been done very differently if the system was different. The voting results are a direct result of how the campaigns spent their money, time, resources, etc. And they were done that way specifically to win the Electoral college, not any other vote. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Jan 17 10:10:53 2017, in response to Re: DC Police forbidden to use body cameras at Inauguration Day protests, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 17 10:08:24 2017. He came right out and said that was his thinking.Not in 2016 he didn't. He specifically said he was registering Republican to stop Trump, and you've been told that before. Again, you don't get to have your own facts. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 17 10:10:54 2017, in response to Re: DC Police forbidden to use body cameras at Inauguration Day protests, posted by AlM on Tue Jan 17 10:09:26 2017. It's fact. the cities would always determine the election. Specifically Los ANgeles and NEw York |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 17 10:14:37 2017, in response to Re: DC Police forbidden to use body cameras at Inauguration Day protests, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 17 09:31:23 2017. Which would not be a problem if most of the people live in those "three metropolitan areas." They don't, so you're wrong. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 17 10:17:29 2017, in response to Re: DC Police forbidden to use body cameras at Inauguration Day protests, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 17 10:10:54 2017. You mean like in 2004?The problem with your claim is that there are rural voters in New York and urban voters in Pennsylvania. The latter are worth more than the former. So you're saying that instead of New York, Chicago and Los Angeles supposedly deciding the election, you want Philadelphia, Cleveland and Miami to decide the election. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 17 10:19:06 2017, in response to Re: DC Police forbidden to use body cameras at Inauguration Day protests, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 17 09:33:24 2017. That's only an argument in favor of not throwing out the results of the previous election. It's not an argument in favor of keeping the system for future elections. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Jan 17 10:21:23 2017, in response to Re: DC Police forbidden to use body cameras at Inauguration Day protests, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 17 10:10:54 2017. You act like those 3 metro areas comprise over 100 million people. Is it total widerness between the Appalachian and Rocky Mountains?And why do you want to treat the citizens who live in and around those cities as inferior to the people who don't? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 17 10:22:32 2017, in response to Re: DC Police forbidden to use body cameras at Inauguration Day protests, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 17 10:17:29 2017. The problem with your claim is that there are rural voters in New York and urban voters in Pennsylvania.Yes, but the rest of the state already gets screwed by the voters in New York City and Philadelphia metro areas. The latter are worth more than the former. No they aren't, as New York State usually goes the way of New York City in the presidental elections. As does Pennsylvania often does, except for the fact that Trump put a lot of time and resource into Pennsylvania's rural areas. (Because that was his strategy to WIN THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE). If he was going for popular vote, campaigning and resources would have been very different. So this popular vs electoral vote thing is moot. As the results would be different. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 17 10:23:27 2017, in response to Re: DC Police forbidden to use body cameras at Inauguration Day protests, posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Jan 17 09:47:13 2017. While I agree with you about the primaries, in the case of the general, you only perceive that because Trump's scandals were actually much worse. Additionally, even though the media gave Trump a lot of free airtime in the primaries, I don't believe it had a significant effect. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 17 10:24:28 2017, in response to Re: DC Police forbidden to use body cameras at Inauguration Day protests, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 17 10:19:06 2017. Sure it is. I am not saying perhaps it doesn't need to be tweaked (state numbers allocated differently, more or less, and so forth), but NOT for why the electoral college does give the whole country a say as opposed to just areas like Los Angeles and New York City metro. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 17 10:28:37 2017, in response to Re: DC Police forbidden to use body cameras at Inauguration Day protests, posted by 3-9 on Tue Jan 17 10:21:23 2017. Is it total widerness between the Appalachian and Rocky Mountains?Of course not. Who said that? There are red areas right in New York City (Suffolk), and Los Angeles has the same. Just as there are a very varied areas all through the country. But areas like Los Angeles metro and New York City metro live in a total bubble. They don't have a clue about other areas. Many barely have a clue of life even 100 miles away, much less further than that. That is especially true of New York City people. And why do you want to treat the citizens who live in and around those cities as inferior to the people who don't? I don't. And most of those areas aren't big enough to sway their entire state in just about every election. It's more level playing field. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 17 10:30:52 2017, in response to Re: DC Police forbidden to use body cameras at Inauguration Day protests, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 17 10:22:32 2017. I don't care that the results would have been different. If Trump had won the popular vote then that would be that. I am arguing this not because I want the election undone (although I wish it could be), but because the electoral college is obsolete bullshit and must be abolished. I am sick of my country treating me like a second-class citizen. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 17 10:35:12 2017, in response to Re: DC Police forbidden to use body cameras at Inauguration Day protests, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 17 10:30:52 2017. No one is treating you like a second hand citizen!If things were different, New York City's and Los Angeles populations would decide every election. I don't care that the results would have been different. But it's an entirely important fact. Campaigning and resources would be different. You can't overlook that, as the results would MOST DEFINITELY different if they were trying to get the vote a different way. Hillary may very well still have won the popular vote. But she may not of. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Jan 17 10:38:48 2017, in response to Re: DC Police forbidden to use body cameras at Inauguration Day protests, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 17 10:10:54 2017. It's fact. the cities would always determine the election. Specifically Los ANgeles and NEw YorkWow. I've specifically pointed out in what way you are wrong (as has S-P) and yet you just won't admit it. And if 2004 is somehow surgically removed from your brain, there are many other years when your statement is wrong: 1952, 1956, 1968, 1972, 1980, 1984, 1988. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 17 10:42:38 2017, in response to Re: DC Police forbidden to use body cameras at Inauguration Day protests, posted by AlM on Tue Jan 17 10:38:48 2017. And there are different events that will sway people different ways in every election also. This election was rust belt. Other elections it's other things. Who the hell cares about what people thought in 1952? 2004 is almost a lifetime ago much less 1984 or 1956. Areas look different bothh rural wise vs urban from just 2004 much less what things looked like in 1972. Every election is different, and the more time goes by the more different it is. I can't believe you are even trying to bring up 1988 much less 1952. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 17 10:43:28 2017, in response to Re: DC Police forbidden to use body cameras at Inauguration Day protests, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 17 10:24:28 2017. Do you realize how many people actually live in the rest of the country? There are about 20 million people in NY metro. Assume that Chicago and LA had the same number (they obviously don't), that adds up to 60 million. That's only 25% of the country.What's hypocritical about your argument is that the electoral college actually allows a candidate to be elected with such a ridiculously low percentage of the popular vote. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Jan 17 10:44:05 2017, in response to Re: DC Police forbidden to use body cameras at Inauguration Day protests, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 17 10:23:27 2017. So you believe that one audio tape was a bigger scandal then the careless way hillary dealt with national security? Do you really believe that the racist and anti. semetic tone of the DNC E-mails were unimportant regardless of who leaked them? What about DW Shultz rigging the primaries against Bernie Sanders or Donna Brazile trying to rig the debates for hillary. The media virtually ignored most of those scandals. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 17 10:44:19 2017, in response to Re: DC Police forbidden to use body cameras at Inauguration Day protests, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 17 10:28:37 2017. And rural areas aren't in a bubble? LOL! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 17 10:47:10 2017, in response to Re: DC Police forbidden to use body cameras at Inauguration Day protests, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 17 10:43:28 2017. Do you realize how many people actually live in the rest of the country? There are about 20 million people in NY metro. Assume that Chicago and LA had the same number (they obviously don't), that adds up to 60 million. That's only 25% of the country.Yes, and I did mention Los Angeles, which is about 18 Million in it's metro area, which comes to about 38 Million combined. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 17 10:47:48 2017, in response to Re: DC Police forbidden to use body cameras at Inauguration Day protests, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 17 10:23:27 2017. What scandals? The bar room Pussy comment? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 17 10:48:33 2017, in response to Re: DC Police forbidden to use body cameras at Inauguration Day protests, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 17 10:44:19 2017. Of course. But there are a lot more of them. Manhattan people are clueless of what goes on on Long Island much less in Walton, New York. |
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