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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Sep 22 11:06:55 2016, in response to Hilly starting to look desperate, posted by Dave on Thu Sep 22 10:57:30 2016. Wow. This whole election is not on what "i" can do, but how horrible my opponent is.That's all either side has on themselves. Terrible. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 22 11:08:21 2016, in response to Re: Hilly starting to look desperate, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Sep 22 11:06:55 2016. Stop calling them "sides" They're all on the same side ultimately. They are "parties", and just in the nominal sense too. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 22 11:09:24 2016, in response to Re: Hilly starting to look desperate, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Sep 22 11:06:55 2016. On EACH side, 40% are voting FOR their candidate, 50% AGAINST the other. I can't remember ever having such a terrible choice of two defective people. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Sep 22 11:09:24 2016, in response to Re: Hilly starting to look desperate, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 22 11:08:21 2016. The left leaning party does it. The right leaning party does it.Actually, both parties are scared of Trump, as he's so anti establishment. The core Republican elite don't want that, and the core Democratic elite don't want that. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Sep 22 11:10:40 2016, in response to Re: Hilly starting to look desperate, posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 22 11:09:24 2016. Yes. At least you admit both sides have defective people. You go up quite a few notches in respect for that. Some of the diehards on either side seem to think they don't have a defective candidate. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 22 11:13:23 2016, in response to Re: Hilly starting to look desperate, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Sep 22 11:09:24 2016. There is no "right-leaning party". If there were, it would never fully fund Obamacare or all the other social programs. There is no "both parties". |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 22 12:02:18 2016, in response to Re: Hilly starting to look desperate, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Sep 22 11:10:40 2016. Clinton isn't defective, she's just flawed.Now Trump is defective. 17 fucking candidates and they pick the worst one. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 22 12:10:21 2016, in response to Re: Hilly starting to look desperate, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Sep 22 11:09:24 2016. The "establishment" is a republic with liberty and justice for all and peace and prosperity. Trump is against that "establishment." The loser Trumpenproletariat just want to watch the world burn. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 22 12:18:14 2016, in response to Re: Hilly starting to look desperate, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 22 12:02:18 2016. Primary system is fucked up. Maybe lack of voter turnout leads a poor representative sample of the general electorate.It is down to the sane verses insane. IMO, of the 4 candidates one is insane and disproportionately attracts the uneducated, 3 are not. Take your pick of the 3. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Sep 22 12:18:21 2016, in response to Re: Hilly starting to look desperate, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 22 12:02:18 2016. And again, (although you said you didn't), so many staunch Democrats wanted to vote in the Republican primary, reason being, to pick a candidate that would be bad against whoever they ran. Well, this is what can happen with that theory.And he may or may not be the worst out of the original lot (that is up for debate), but Clinton is by far not a good candidate. I would even call her defective. But I have to say, there would be NO WAY in the world that I would have voted for Bernie, so it's possible Trump would be doing even better if it was Bernie instead of Clinton. She's more centrist that Bernie, and I have an easier time possibly voting for her, her baggage aside. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Sep 22 12:21:58 2016, in response to Re: Hilly starting to look desperate, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 22 12:10:21 2016. Oh Please, he does not.I am sick of the political elite, and all their money influencing elections, and everything else political (and even legislative). It's sickening. The elite of both parties are entangled in this. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Sep 22 12:23:13 2016, in response to Re: Hilly starting to look desperate, posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 22 12:18:14 2016. Not to mention the elite of either party also influencing. It's sickening.While I never would have wanted to see Sanders as the Democratic candidate, for fear he could win, what the DNC did to him in terms of Hillary was disgusting. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 22 12:31:37 2016, in response to Re: Hilly starting to look desperate, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Sep 22 12:23:13 2016. He knew what the game was, going in. It's not like he was unaware of superdelegates. That's why he got his before he left the campaign trail (nice house, airplane flights, ad nauseam). His supporters, albeit deserving of no sympathy due to either being ignorant of or supporting what he stood for, ought to be more angry at him, frankly. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 22 12:31:52 2016, in response to Re: Hilly starting to look desperate, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Sep 22 12:23:13 2016. I do disagree with you about Bernie. Given the enthusiasm of the Millenials, and high degree of his ethics and honesty, I think he'd have beat Trump hands down.Likewise Bush or Kasich would have beaten the shit out of Hillary. They are at least sane, rational people you can talk to (despite their horrific record on public transit and Amtrak). |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 22 12:32:14 2016, in response to Re: Hilly starting to look desperate, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Sep 22 12:21:58 2016. lol "both parties". |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Sep 22 12:38:46 2016, in response to Re: Hilly starting to look desperate, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 22 12:32:14 2016. Please. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 22 12:38:52 2016, in response to Re: Hilly starting to look desperate, posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 22 12:31:52 2016. I disagree about Bernie and agree about Bush and Kasich. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Sep 22 12:39:28 2016, in response to Re: Hilly starting to look desperate, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 22 12:31:37 2016. Perhaps, but what went on there was absolutely appalling. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Sep 22 12:40:53 2016, in response to Re: Hilly starting to look desperate, posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 22 12:31:52 2016. I don't agree about Bernie doing better than Clinton, but that said, I do agree with you, that if the Republicans had a better candidate, he/she would be double digits ahead of Hillary. It was their year to win, as sick of people are of "the same", and they messed it up. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 22 12:41:35 2016, in response to Re: Hilly starting to look desperate, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Sep 22 12:39:28 2016. Of course it was. But he was part of it. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 22 12:43:55 2016, in response to Re: Hilly starting to look desperate, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Sep 22 12:21:58 2016. Yes, he does, except that he's not smart enough to realize it. Do you realize the horrific police state that would be created if they decided to round up all the illegal aliens? Back when the Republicans nominated a smart person for President, he proposed "self-deportation" and the idiots pilloried him.This election has proven the value of elitism over populism. I may have been for populism before, but no more. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 22 12:48:20 2016, in response to Re: Hilly starting to look desperate, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Sep 22 12:40:53 2016. There is a part of me who is thankful for that as you know I support the Democrats, but there is a real danger here. It's not worth the risk. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 22 13:37:19 2016, in response to Re: Hilly starting to look desperate, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 22 12:43:55 2016. Ike's attempts at it failed miserably. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Thu Sep 22 13:41:52 2016, in response to Re: Hilly starting to look desperate, posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 22 12:18:14 2016. Errt lack of turn out? Maybe you missed the bulletin but Trump had the most primary votes in Republican primary history. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 22 13:45:53 2016, in response to Re: Hilly starting to look desperate, posted by R2ChinaTown on Thu Sep 22 13:41:52 2016. Still poor turnout to a primary, as opposed to general election, which is nothing to brag about either. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Thu Sep 22 13:55:41 2016, in response to Re: Hilly starting to look desperate, posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 22 13:45:53 2016. Duh. You get apples and oranges mixed up too. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Sep 22 14:32:11 2016, in response to Re: Hilly starting to look desperate, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 22 12:43:55 2016. Oh please, it's no more realistic (or able to happen) than Obama's unrealistic claims that he would immediately close Guantanamo Bay, or other Liberal unicorn ideas that looked great on paper, but in the real world, won't happen. The sky didn't fall when Obama took office (although yes, many things are worse (depending on someone's point of view), and it won't fall with Trump either. That's liberal hysteria. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Sep 22 14:32:49 2016, in response to Re: Hilly starting to look desperate, posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 22 13:37:19 2016. They all promise stuff that probably won't work or ever happen. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Sep 22 14:33:28 2016, in response to Re: Hilly starting to look desperate, posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 22 13:45:53 2016. ?????????? You are talking about two totally different topics. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Thu Sep 22 14:51:47 2016, in response to Re: Hilly starting to look desperate, posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 22 12:31:52 2016. I'm not so sure about Bush and Kasich. No one really dug into the skeletons of their pasts. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 22 14:52:43 2016, in response to Re: Hilly starting to look desperate, posted by R2ChinaTown on Thu Sep 22 13:55:41 2016. It is called a stastically bad small sample that produced highly flawed candidates on each side, and most people voting in the general are voting against the other, not for their own. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Thu Sep 22 14:54:39 2016, in response to Re: Hilly starting to look desperate, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Sep 22 11:06:55 2016. How is that different from many elections of the past, where attack ads were run against opponents? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Sep 22 14:55:53 2016, in response to Re: Hilly starting to look desperate, posted by 3-9 on Thu Sep 22 14:54:39 2016. There's always negative ads. However, the entire platform is on how bad the other candidate is this time around. |
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Posted by R2Chinatown on Thu Sep 22 15:15:23 2016, in response to Re: Hilly starting to look desperate, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Sep 22 14:55:53 2016. +1 |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 22 15:41:53 2016, in response to Re: Hilly starting to look desperate, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Sep 22 14:32:11 2016. Yes, it won't happen. But he proposed it. That's a window into the kind of ideas he has for government.And no, I don't agree that things are worse, but that is not worthwhile to argue. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Sep 22 15:44:27 2016, in response to Hilly starting to look desperate, posted by Dave on Thu Sep 22 10:57:30 2016. there's no almparticipation.AlM is a big Hillary supporter. I just hate liberals. Many Marxists post on Subchat |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Sep 22 15:55:32 2016, in response to Re: Hilly starting to look desperate, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 22 15:41:53 2016. Plenty were saying many of Obama's, as unrealistic as they were where enough to make the world crash. It didn't, and depending on your political point of view, they were just as extreme as trumps are from the other side. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 22 15:57:44 2016, in response to Re: Hilly starting to look desperate, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Sep 22 15:44:27 2016. Name one Marxist who has posted on SubChat/OTChat recently. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Thu Sep 22 16:01:12 2016, in response to Re: Hilly starting to look desperate, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Sep 22 14:55:53 2016. Well, Hillary does have info about what she would do and her past experience, but since people either yawned at it or ignored it, she's going for something more emotional. :-) |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 22 17:17:06 2016, in response to Re: Hilly starting to look desperate, posted by 3-9 on Thu Sep 22 14:51:47 2016. Kasich is very popular in Ohio. (His public transit record is of course awful). He's was in the House, chaired the Budget committee for a number of years. He's been vetted.Cruz, OTOK, most people can't stand him. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Sep 22 17:17:36 2016, in response to Re: Hilly starting to look desperate, posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 22 17:17:06 2016. Lollol |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Sep 22 19:31:32 2016, in response to Re: Hilly starting to look desperate, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 22 15:57:44 2016. 
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Posted by R2Chinatown on Thu Sep 22 20:21:35 2016, in response to Re: Hilly starting to look desperate, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Sep 22 19:31:32 2016. He was a Harpo-Marxist |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Sep 23 10:06:43 2016, in response to Re: Hilly starting to look desperate, posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 22 12:31:52 2016. Jeb! would have lost badly against Hillary.The last thing voters want to be reminded of is the Bush Years. Kasich I agree. There's no telling what a race between Bernie and Trump would have looked like. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Sep 23 10:10:03 2016, in response to Re: Hilly starting to look desperate, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Sep 22 14:32:11 2016. Obama's unrealistic claims that he would immediately close Guantanamo BayMcCain proposed the same thing. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Sep 23 11:52:50 2016, in response to Re: Hilly starting to look desperate, posted by SMAZ on Fri Sep 23 10:10:03 2016. And? |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Sep 23 11:56:20 2016, in response to Re: Hilly starting to look desperate, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Sep 23 11:52:50 2016. It wasn't an exclusively liberal idea, which is how you labeled it. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Sep 23 11:57:14 2016, in response to Re: Hilly starting to look desperate, posted by AlM on Fri Sep 23 11:56:20 2016. Yes it was the way Obama put it out there. Reality set in however. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Sep 23 14:57:07 2016, in response to Re: Hilly starting to look desperate, posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 22 11:09:24 2016. Even the independent candidates are lousy! |
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