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Posted by ntrainride on Thu Aug 25 02:58:59 2016 is...that it's impossible. something? from nothing? |
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Re: politics? p'shaw. the ''secret'' of the universe |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Aug 25 08:48:35 2016, in response to politics? p'shaw. the "secret" of the universe, posted by ntrainride on Thu Aug 25 02:58:59 2016. Better than nothing from nothing :) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 25 11:32:15 2016, in response to politics? p'shaw. the "secret" of the universe, posted by ntrainride on Thu Aug 25 02:58:59 2016. If something can't come from nothing, where did your god come from? |
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Re: politics? p'shaw. the ''secret'' of the universe |
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Posted by WillD on Thu Aug 25 17:57:10 2016, in response to politics? p'shaw. the "secret" of the universe, posted by ntrainride on Thu Aug 25 02:58:59 2016. Why assume there was nothing prior to the Big Bang? A number of cosmogenic theories attempt to explain the origin of the universe, including the interactions of higher dimension branes, strings, the result of dark energy creating a big rip in a prior universe, or a self-creating closed loop.Of course our inability to make observations before 13 billion years ago and the breakdown of phyiscal models at the Planck Time scale makes any cosmogenic discussion about as metaphysical as that related to religion. But the non-uniformity of cosmic microwave background radiation may point to something before the big bang which kept the universe from being uniform. |
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Re: politics? p'shaw. the ''secret'' of the universe |
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Posted by ntrainride on Thu Aug 25 21:26:26 2016, in response to Re: politics? p'shaw. the ''secret'' of the universe, posted by WillD on Thu Aug 25 17:57:10 2016. hear you...kind of. but it doesn't matter what the form is. doesn't matter if there were twenty prior universes. dont matter who "god" is. point is, "something" came from "nothing". a concept that's hard to grasp, and then some. |
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Re: politics? p'shaw. the ''secret'' of the universe |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 25 21:50:14 2016, in response to Re: politics? p'shaw. the ''secret'' of the universe, posted by ntrainride on Thu Aug 25 21:26:26 2016. Why? How do you know something came from nothing? What if there were always something and there will always be something? |
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Posted by ntrainride on Thu Aug 25 22:05:40 2016, in response to Re: politics? p'shaw. the ''secret'' of the universe, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 25 21:50:14 2016. ummmm, exactly. (knocks head against wall, repeatedly.) |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Aug 26 12:56:01 2016, in response to Re: politics? p'shaw. the ''secret'' of the universe, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 25 21:50:14 2016. Something cannot come from nothing.If there always was something, that means that time had no beginning. But then that means that an infinite amount of time has elapsed for the present moment to arrive, which is itself impossible. An infinite amount of time by definition cannot elapse. I disagree that the universe (or whatever) is impossible. It is possible to reconcile all of the above. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 26 14:26:31 2016, in response to Re: politics? p'shaw. the ''secret'' of the universe, posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Aug 26 12:56:01 2016. I don't agree with your definition. Time can be infinite.Assume that you are correct that something can't come from nothing, then where did God come from? |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Aug 26 14:55:25 2016, in response to Re: politics? p'shaw. the ''secret'' of the universe, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 26 14:26:31 2016. Do you think that an infinite amount of time can elapse?I cannot speak for all theists but I do not see God as either coming from something or coming from nothing. That which is timeless does not "come." |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 26 14:59:43 2016, in response to Re: politics? p'shaw. the ''secret'' of the universe, posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Aug 26 14:55:25 2016. So there you go. You create a "god" outside of the laws of the Universe for the sole purpose of solving a mystery of the Universe. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Aug 26 15:03:56 2016, in response to Re: politics? p'shaw. the ''secret'' of the universe, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 26 14:59:43 2016. Besides the fact that you are clearly in a desperate rush to get God into this and get Him out of the way, you have failed to address the arguments. All of them. Typical atheist. All emotional. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 26 16:35:36 2016, in response to Re: politics? p'shaw. the ''secret'' of the universe, posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Aug 26 15:03:56 2016. How is this at all emotional?In this case I am using your prior arguments and responding to them. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Fri Aug 26 17:22:11 2016, in response to Re: politics? p'shaw. the ''secret'' of the universe, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 26 16:35:36 2016. Exactly. Pwn3d. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Aug 26 17:28:11 2016, in response to Re: politics? p'shaw. the ''secret'' of the universe, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 26 16:35:36 2016. No. You got an answer to your question about God you could not handle and responded with a nonsensical claim about me. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Aug 26 17:50:41 2016, in response to Re: politics? p'shaw. the ''secret'' of the universe, posted by TerrApin Station on Fri Aug 26 17:22:11 2016. The thead was about the universe. He asked a question about God, Who I had no plan on mentioning anytime soon. He got an answer to his question about God. Not liking it, he said I made up God for the purposes of solving a mystery of the universe. I never tried to solve the mystery here, let alone use God to do so. He wants to defend atheism. I want to talk about the universe. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 26 22:42:47 2016, in response to Re: politics? p'shaw. the ''secret'' of the universe, posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Aug 26 17:28:11 2016. It was not nonsensical. It was based on what you've posted you believe. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 26 22:43:50 2016, in response to Re: politics? p'shaw. the ''secret'' of the universe, posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Aug 26 17:50:41 2016. I don't want to defend atheism. I want to defend a cosmological model that lacks any fictional explanations. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Aug 27 08:06:05 2016, in response to Re: politics? p'shaw. the ''secret'' of the universe, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 26 22:43:50 2016. Then why would you twice introduce into the thread a character you take to be fictional? And do you have any viable model to propose? |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Aug 27 08:11:20 2016, in response to Re: politics? p'shaw. the ''secret'' of the universe, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 26 22:42:47 2016. No. There is nothing in my previous posts to suggest I created something. |
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