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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Aug 20 02:04:32 2016 Now that specific medications have been mentioned, this whole hoohah becomes hillary-larious. Armourthyroid and coumadin? Family uses both, they work better than any of the newer crap. Read on to see how full of shit the original story was ...https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/fact-checking-dr-drew-on-hillary-173133779.html Dr. Drew didn’t hesitate to comment on Hillary Clinton’s health care. (Photos: Getty Images) During a radio interview yesterday, Dr. Drew Pinsky made some strong accusations about Hillary Clinton’s health care, referring to her medical treatment as “bizarre,” “very unconventional,” and “old-fashioned.” Astonishingly, the “records” Dr. Pinsky chose to comment on have been making the rounds for months and have been proved to be fake. In a statement provided to FactCheck.org by the Clinton campaign, Clinton’s longtime physician, Lisa Bardack, MD, director of internal medicine, Mount Sinai Health System at CareMount Medical, dismissed the authenticity of these documents, saying they are “false, were not written by me, and are not based on any medical facts.” “Just to preface this, it’s extremely difficult to make an assessment from afar on specific treatments for specific people because not everyone falls into one treatment category,” Kristine S. Arthur, MD, internist at Orange Coast Memorial Medical Center in Fountain Valley, Calif., tells Yahoo Beauty. Here’s what our medical expert had to say in regards to Dr. Drew’s evaluation: Dr. Drew said: “She’s being treated with hyperthyroidism with something called Armour Thyroid, which is very unconventional and something that we used to back in the ’60s.” Dr. Arthur says: “We would typically start with a different type of thyroid formulation, more commonly like Synthroid or Levothyroxine. It’s [Armour] an appropriate option — it’s just not considered the typical first-line option. I would think they would have tried the commonly used or conventional treatment first, and then if perhaps she could not tolerate those, they moved her on to something not used as much but can still balance out her thyroid.” Related: Tom Arnold Pens Passionate Essay Arguing for Gun Control After Nephew’s Suicide Dr. Drew said: “So she goes on Coumadin — that’s weird because Coumadin really isn’t used anymore.” Dr. Arthur says: “These new blood thinners like the medication Dr. Drew was talking about aren’t typically used for this type of a clot [a brain clot] — they’re used for the leg clots. And, yes, Coumadin has been around for a long time and it’s an old drug. It was used and it’s still used. There are some newer medications, as he mentioned, that could be used for those types of leg blood clots, but Coumadin is certainly still used. It’s kind of a personal preference as to what people are comfortable with. “But when it comes to something like this [a brain clot], Coumadin would be an indicated treatment for it. Typically, that would be several months and then you’d be done. “From her letter last summer—which was a couple of years after it [her concussion] happened — the doctor formally said she was still taking Coumadin. That suggests to me that maybe there is something else going on that would be putting her at a predisposition of developing blood clots. If her doctor felt she needed to leave her on lifelong anticoagulation — it’s a big commitment to put someone on it — you would really want to make sure there’s a reason for it.” According to a 2013 New York Times article, Geoffrey T. Manley, MD, the vice chairman of neurological surgery at the University of California, San Francisco, stated that given Clinton’s history of having a blood clot in her leg back in 1998, this suggests she may have a tendency to form clots and may need blood-thinners long-term or even for the rest of her life. Dr. Bardack, her longtime physician, told USA Today that follow-up medical exams in 2013 “revealed complete resolution of the effects of the concussion.” Related: Gabby Douglas Responds to ‘Hurtful’ Social Media Bullying at Rio Olympics: ‘It Doesn’t Really Feel Good’ Dr. Drew said: “When they screened her for heart disease, again, they did an old-fashioned screening.” Dr. Arthur says: “I couldn’t find any type of heart test they did on Hillary. Typically, we do stress testing, where it can be putting someone on the treadmill or nuclear medicine stress testing. What would be considered old-fashioned screening? I’m not entirely sure. “All I can say is that maybe it was only a treadmill test, when now we have some newer type of nuclear imaging that we can get great pictures of the heart, for instance — that would be a more in-depth type of test. But I would hate to have someone read this and think, My doctor gave me a treadmill test and I guess that’s old-fashioned. It’s a perfectly acceptable test to do. “But again, you have to take the whole patient into consideration. For one person, the treadmill test can be perfectly acceptable and for someone else it would be considered not adequate. Unless her legitimate doctor released exactly what she’s had, it’s impossible to judge. “Again, you never know unless you go into somebody’s specific chart as to why they would need certain treatments versus others. Sometimes there’s a great medication that we would love to give someone yet they can’t tolerate it, so they we move to something else that might be not as good — or older — because it’s all we can do. It’s difficult to judge from afar.” 
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Posted by AlM on Sat Aug 20 07:01:54 2016, in response to Dead Hillary: Fact check time!, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Aug 20 02:04:32 2016. None of your liberal counter-propaganda changes the fact that Hillary is going to die. :)Seriously, being on blood thinners for the rest of your life is a serious thing to do. So she's not in totally ideal health. But she's still almost certainly in better health than Wilson, Harding, Roosevelt, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Reagan, or Cheney when they were last elected. And where are the results of Trump's Alzheimer gene test? His father died of the disease. That test is actually relevant. Clinton is being more open about her medical conditions than Trump. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Aug 20 10:10:19 2016, in response to Re: Dead Hillary: Fact check time!, posted by AlM on Sat Aug 20 07:01:54 2016. She's on Coumadin, which requires monitoring for blood levels of the drug, and a careful eye on the diet. It's probably a bit of an overreach, but in and of itself not that indicative of ongoing problems.....more of a preventative since it seeious reduces stroke riak in older people, especially women. If anyone takes a baby aspirin daily they're on a blood thinner. Ginko, ginseng and other herbs have similar effects.The smart thing about Coumadin is that it's easily and readily reversible, unlike the newer substitutes on the market. Armour thyroid is the old school thyroid, purified from hog thyroid extract. It is an excellent medicine. A large minority of thyroid patients (almost 40%) do not metabolise synthetic thyroids well. These people need the natural form to combat persistent weight gain, lethargy and for some, superhypercholesterol levels. I believe it's hypo thyroid, not hyperthyroid we're discussing here. Hashimotos is a common genetic disease. Hyperthyroid is usually treated by removing part of the gland itself surgically. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Sat Aug 20 10:15:34 2016, in response to Re: Dead Hillary: Fact check time!, posted by bingbong on Sat Aug 20 10:10:19 2016. Stayed at Holiday Inn again last night? |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Aug 20 10:27:21 2016, in response to Re: Dead Hillary: Fact check time!, posted by R2ChinaTown on Sat Aug 20 10:15:34 2016. Nope. As Selkirk said, family members use these. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Aug 20 11:18:43 2016, in response to Re: Dead Hillary: Fact check time!, posted by bingbong on Sat Aug 20 10:10:19 2016. Coumadin is more than just baby aspirin. It increases your risk of some kind of disastrous hemmorhage, so you don't prescribe it as a precautionary measure. You prescribe it for a real reason.She's almost 69. She won't live forever. But there's no reason based on the evidence to think she doesn't have another 8 good years. |
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Posted by R2Chinatown on Sat Aug 20 11:24:14 2016, in response to Re: Dead Hillary: Fact check time!, posted by AlM on Sat Aug 20 11:18:43 2016. How dare you contradict Dr. Bingbong. |
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Posted by R2Chinatown on Sat Aug 20 11:26:03 2016, in response to Re: Dead Hillary: Fact check time!, posted by bingbong on Sat Aug 20 10:27:21 2016. Oh so it was selturd that stayed at the Holiday Inn? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 20 11:35:19 2016, in response to Re: Dead Hillary: Fact check time!, posted by AlM on Sat Aug 20 11:18:43 2016. And even if she dies in fewer than 4, then it's Tim Kaine vs. Donald Trump. Still a very easy choice. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Aug 20 11:41:35 2016, in response to Re: Dead Hillary: Fact check time!, posted by AlM on Sat Aug 20 11:18:43 2016. I never said it wasn't. I did say both are blood thinners. Which they are. Coumadin is strong stuff but it is also reversible (spent a looong day in an ER with my mother when she had a bleeding problem with the stuff.....meanwhile, she just coulda had a salad and gone in to the office the next day. {that was a joke...hers, in fact}) Coumadin is best as preventing stroke. In no way should it be considered to make one unfit for the Oval office.Hillary probably has a good fifteen to twenty years left. Women have greater lifespans. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Aug 20 11:57:12 2016, in response to Re: Dead Hillary: Fact check time!, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 20 11:35:19 2016. Indeed.Anyway, Trump could have serious Alzheimer's in less than 4 years. Just as plausible as Hillary dying in less than 4. And it's easier to get someone out of office if they have a stroke than if they have moderate Alzheimer's. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Aug 20 11:58:36 2016, in response to Re: Dead Hillary: Fact check time!, posted by AlM on Sat Aug 20 11:57:12 2016. True. Reagan proved that. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 20 12:21:22 2016, in response to Dead Hillary: Fact check time!, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Aug 20 02:04:32 2016. In a statement provided to FactCheck.org by the Clinton campaign, Clinton’s longtime physician, Lisa Bardack, MD, director of internal medicine, Mount Sinai Health System at CareMount Medical, dismissed the authenticity of these documents . . .Denial is not proof. FAIL |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Aug 20 12:26:00 2016, in response to Re: Dead Hillary: Fact check time?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 20 12:21:22 2016. LOL. Clinton is being more open than Trump. Where are the results of Trump's Alzheimer's gene test? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 22 02:02:36 2016, in response to Re: Dead Hillary: Fact check time!, posted by AlM on Sat Aug 20 07:01:54 2016. Interesting turn of events. Hannity's "diazepam syringe, 'for patients who experience recurrent seizures.'" turns out to have been an ordinary flashlight according to Secret Service spokeswoman Nicole Mainor. But then, as Hannity takes great pride in reminding people when caught in his shit, "I am not a journalist."Interesting article on the great propaganda machine, and Hannity in particular: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/22/business/media/sean-hannity-turns-adviser-in-the-service-of-donald-trump.html?_r=0 And no snark please on the New York Times here. Last few days have been loaded with propaganda from the Washington Times, whose purpose is not to be a journalistic newspaper, they proudly wear their propaganda badge too, just like Faux News. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Mon Aug 22 02:31:07 2016, in response to Dead Hillary: Fact check time!, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Aug 20 02:04:32 2016. here's my physical test for both these yokels: drive 'em to rockaway beach. both start walking up cross bay boulevard. see how far they get. he/she who falls out before the other one gets one chance to redeem them self...arm wrestle, best two outta three. final test: see who can hold their breath longer.mental test: sat exam. psychological test: lock both up in a small cage. see who cracks first. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 22 02:49:46 2016, in response to Re: Dead Hillary: Fact check time!, posted by ntrainride on Mon Aug 22 02:31:07 2016. Heh. Then put them both on a bus, send them up this way, climb a mountain and then argue with a bobcat. Last one standing wins. :)Psych test ... lock them in a room with only the talking head cable news channels to watch until one or the other cracks. The first one to crack would be the winner here. (grin) Well played, sir! |
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Posted by ntrainride on Mon Aug 22 02:57:39 2016, in response to Re: Dead Hillary: Fact check time!, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 22 02:49:46 2016. just seems more honest. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 22 03:03:20 2016, in response to Re: Dead Hillary: Fact check time!, posted by ntrainride on Mon Aug 22 02:57:39 2016. Yeah, but let's face reality. If something actually worked, and had good results, it would never be allowed. When I was a kid, got to stay with an uncle in Alaska over the winter, Air Force base. The local elections in town were a hoot, because the way it worked there back in the 60's was that they would call each other out, and whoever had the best bullshit won. In the case of a close race, it was usually finished off with arm "wrassling" and whoever stood at the end won the most votes.Just seemed better. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 22 03:04:08 2016, in response to Re: Dead Hillary: Fact check time!, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 22 03:03:20 2016. And I don't doubt for a minute that Hillary could kick some Donald ass. Heh. |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Mon Aug 22 03:04:34 2016, in response to Re: Dead Hillary: Fact check time!, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 22 02:02:36 2016. Of course you don't like Sean Hannity. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Mon Aug 22 03:08:18 2016, in response to Re: Dead Hillary: Fact check time!, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 22 03:04:08 2016. null statement. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 22 03:09:50 2016, in response to Re: Dead Hillary: Fact check time!, posted by ntrainride on Mon Aug 22 03:08:18 2016. Aw c'mon ... everybody postures here. OTchat has been a fact-free world for years, much to the turtle's dismay. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 22 03:10:34 2016, in response to Re: Dead Hillary: Fact check time!, posted by Chicagomotorman on Mon Aug 22 03:04:34 2016. Not one bit. Let's even the score ... do you like Al Franken? See? Settled. ;) |
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Posted by ntrainride on Mon Aug 22 03:27:17 2016, in response to Re: Dead Hillary: Fact check time!, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 22 03:04:08 2016. null statement. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Mon Aug 22 03:28:15 2016, in response to Re: Dead Hillary: Fact check time!, posted by ntrainride on Mon Aug 22 03:27:17 2016. sorry. typo. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 22 03:54:31 2016, in response to Re: Dead Hillary: Fact check time!, posted by ntrainride on Mon Aug 22 03:28:15 2016. No worries ... I'm a coder ... I do null statements all the time to keep a CPU busy until a valid result comes in from elsewhere. We cool. :) |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 22 04:00:30 2016, in response to Re: Dead Hillary: Fact check time!, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 22 03:54:31 2016. you're all worked up about politics, FOX NEWS, and C2C. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 22 04:03:56 2016, in response to Re: Dead Hillary: Fact check time!, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 22 04:00:30 2016. Hardly worked up, but I have no interest in listening to a right wing echo chamber and the shit that gets constantly clogged in the vents of it. Your side can't even come up with halfway decent bullshit. Republicans at least USED to make an effort. :)FOX News ... *officially* part of Trump's campaign and no longer a news channel Breitbart RUNNING Trumps campaign. What would you guys be saying if the democratic party actually owned CNN or MSLSD? Previous claims to "news" are now completely invalid. Not that they ever were, but finally any pretense of journalism is gone. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 22 04:11:56 2016, in response to Re: Dead Hillary: Fact check time!, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 22 04:03:56 2016. i don't like #irishcatholicismFlo The Progressive Girl is the ultimate Irish-Catholic bitchy cuntess personality. Notice how Biden, and now Hillary's VP choice are both Irish-Catholic. Both are Democrats, and this highlights the strong link between liberalism and Irish-Catholicism. On my end I'm going to carb cycle. One day a week I'll do 50 grams of carbs and 150 grams of protein. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 22 04:31:48 2016, in response to Re: Dead Hillary: Fact check time!, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 22 04:11:56 2016. Heh. And you called ME "all worked up." ;)I hear Courtney's actually pretty cool, but then around here it all comes down to which far wall you kiss politically, and nothing else matters. That's why I stopped posting amusing shit a while ago and just let this place rock with "who is the most Jewish?" and "who is most loyal to Trump?" and to hell with it. Not much else to do here which is why I rarely bother unless I see a rare opportunity for some humor. Irish Catholic bashing? No problem. bring it on. THIW here. |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Mon Aug 22 06:06:17 2016, in response to Re: Dead Hillary: Fact check time!, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 22 03:10:34 2016. Of course I don't like Al Franken. Self hating Jew. |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Mon Aug 22 06:06:54 2016, in response to Re: Dead Hillary: Fact check time!, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 22 03:10:34 2016. Of course you like Al Franken. |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Mon Aug 22 06:10:01 2016, in response to Re: Dead Hillary: Fact check time!, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 22 04:31:48 2016. Most of your posts are and always have been amusing shit. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 22 06:41:13 2016, in response to Re: Dead Hillary: Fact check time!, posted by Chicagomotorman on Mon Aug 22 06:06:17 2016. Then we're even. :)Hannity is a self-hating American for being a whore for the bad side of the GOP. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 22 06:41:48 2016, in response to Re: Dead Hillary: Fact check time!, posted by Chicagomotorman on Mon Aug 22 06:06:54 2016. I actually don't ... I was looking for someone comparable who would put shivers up your spine like Hannity does for me. Heh. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 22 06:42:16 2016, in response to Re: Dead Hillary: Fact check time!, posted by Chicagomotorman on Mon Aug 22 06:10:01 2016. Yeah, but we've had a lot of people lately with no sense of humor at all. |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Mon Aug 22 06:55:49 2016, in response to Re: Dead Hillary: Fact check time!, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 22 06:41:13 2016. Lol. You are entertaining. |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Mon Aug 22 06:56:47 2016, in response to Re: Dead Hillary: Fact check time!, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 22 06:41:48 2016. Like Rachel Maddow. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 22 06:57:16 2016, in response to Re: Dead Hillary: Fact check time!, posted by Chicagomotorman on Mon Aug 22 06:56:47 2016. Is SHE still on the air? Yipe! |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Aug 22 09:07:42 2016, in response to Re: Dead Hillary: Fact check time!, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 22 02:02:36 2016. Hannity's "diazepam syringe, 'for patients who experience recurrent seizures.'" turns out to have been an ordinary flashlight according to Secret Service spokeswoman Nicole Mainor.Impossible. The urologist Dave cited was 100% certain it was a diazepam dispenser. |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Mon Aug 22 12:26:07 2016, in response to Re: Dead Hillary: Fact check time!, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 22 06:57:16 2016. She? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 22 18:24:05 2016, in response to Re: Dead Hillary: Fact check time!, posted by AlM on Mon Aug 22 09:07:42 2016. That's what happens when you attend the party rally channel instead of the new event. The spin doctor will see you now. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 22 18:24:41 2016, in response to Re: Dead Hillary: Fact check time!, posted by Chicagomotorman on Mon Aug 22 12:26:07 2016. Wait ... Rachel Maddow is trans? :) |
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Posted by MTK52983 on Mon Aug 22 18:27:25 2016, in response to Re: Dead Hillary: Fact check time!, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 22 18:24:41 2016. She does look like a teenage boy. Would not surprise me if it turned out that both Maddow and Ann Coulter were men. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon Aug 22 20:23:39 2016, in response to Re: Dead Hillary: Fact check time!, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 22 18:24:05 2016. Finally! I needed to see him about my dizziness. :-) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 22 20:44:51 2016, in response to Re: Dead Hillary: Fact check time!, posted by 3-9 on Mon Aug 22 20:23:39 2016. According to "reliable sources," increasing the rate of twirl resolves that handily. There might be side effects however, you could turn into R2D2 without proper medical supervision. :) |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon Aug 22 21:49:45 2016, in response to Re: Dead Hillary: Fact check time!, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 22 20:44:51 2016. How scary! Will I even be able to pass the Turing test? :-) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 22 21:54:39 2016, in response to Re: Dead Hillary: Fact check time!, posted by 3-9 on Mon Aug 22 21:49:45 2016. Better hope not ... if you pass the Turing test, you can't be a republican. :) |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Mon Aug 22 21:56:58 2016, in response to Re: Dead Hillary: Fact check time!, posted by MTK52983 on Mon Aug 22 18:27:25 2016. Well not always in Rachel's case Yeah, I probably would have hit that (though I suspect she was not so inclined even back then) |
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