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Top IT official: Disabling security for Clinton server laid out 'welcome mat' for hackers |
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Posted by Dave on Sat Jun 25 16:24:18 2016 "You're putting not just the Clinton server at risk but the entire Department of State emails at risk," said Bob Gourley, former chief technology officer (CTO) for the DIA. "When you turn off your defensive mechanisms and you're connected to the Internet, you're almost laying out the welcome mat for anyone to intrude and attack and steal your secrets." |
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Re: Top IT official: Disabling security for Clinton server laid out 'welcome mat' for hackers |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jun 25 16:31:02 2016, in response to Top IT official: Disabling security for Clinton server laid out 'welcome mat' for hackers, posted by Dave on Sat Jun 25 16:24:18 2016. #trollpost ?#trollthread ? |
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Re: Top IT official: Disabling security for Clinton server laid out 'welcome mat' for hackers |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Jun 25 16:58:31 2016, in response to Top IT official: Disabling security for Clinton server laid out 'welcome mat' for hackers, posted by Dave on Sat Jun 25 16:24:18 2016. Indeed. Very bad judgment. |
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Re: Top IT official: Disabling security for Clinton server laid out 'welcome mat' for hackers |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 25 18:23:21 2016, in response to Top IT official: Disabling security for Clinton server laid out 'welcome mat' for hackers, posted by Dave on Sat Jun 25 16:24:18 2016. *IF* the issue was that her emails were getting dumped into a spam folder and that's why this was done, then this whole article is bullshit. All you have to do with any mail server where mails are being incorrectly "classified" (heh) is to whitelist the sender's address so that it goes to the inbox instead of the spam filter. Harmful content in the form of attachments gets filtered through the "border router firewall" before it ever gets to the mail server, so this whole "analysis" here was done by blithering idiots who probably don't even know how to use AOL much less a server farm.Never heard of Bob Gourley either. |
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Re: Top IT official: Disabling security for Clinton server laid out 'welcome mat' for hackers |
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Posted by Dave on Sat Jun 25 19:37:20 2016, in response to Re: Top IT official: Disabling security for Clinton server laid out 'welcome mat' for hackers, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 25 18:23:21 2016. Never heard of Bob Gourley either.Which means he doesn't exist, right? Protip: there are people out there who know far more about internet security than you. https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertgourley Please explain to us how you fit your head through the front door each day? |
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Re: Top IT official: Disabling security for Clinton server laid out 'welcome mat' for hackers |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sat Jun 25 19:45:50 2016, in response to Re: Top IT official: Disabling security for Clinton server laid out 'welcome mat' for hackers, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 25 18:23:21 2016. It could be that the security software was unstable and kept dumping Clinton's emails even after it was configured. Or else the IT people were a bunch of noobs. It's hard to tell, there isn't enough detail in the story which says exactly what was done. |
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Re: Top IT official: Disabling security for Clinton server laid out 'welcome mat' for hackers |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Jun 25 21:54:19 2016, in response to Re: Top IT official: Disabling security for Clinton server laid out 'welcome mat' for hackers, posted by 3-9 on Sat Jun 25 19:45:50 2016. Slashdot reported the same thing - basically, management told them to disable the spam filter, the IT department had no choice in the matter. No one important thought it worthwhile to waste time trying to configure it properly. |
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Re: Top IT official: Disabling security for Clinton server laid out 'welcome mat' for hackers |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Jun 25 22:00:25 2016, in response to Re: Top IT official: Disabling security for Clinton server laid out 'welcome mat' for hackers, posted by Dave on Sat Jun 25 19:37:20 2016. Ha, nice. |
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Re: Top IT official: Disabling security for Clinton server laid out 'welcome mat' for hackers |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 25 23:51:17 2016, in response to Re: Top IT official: Disabling security for Clinton server laid out 'welcome mat' for hackers, posted by Dave on Sat Jun 25 19:37:20 2016. I didn't say he didn't exist, I said that I've never heard of him and I've been in that business since 1997 and know most of the majors including those still in classified work. Still work with many of them to this very day.Like I said though in what you completely ignored is that the STORY is bullshit *IF* the issue was mails going to a spam folder. Either "Robert" or FOX News doesn't know what they're talking about. At all. But sure ... be an asshole about it, I've come to expect that. So how's your boy Trump doing? |
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Re: Top IT official: Disabling security for Clinton server laid out 'welcome mat' for hackers |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 25 23:59:47 2016, in response to Re: Top IT official: Disabling security for Clinton server laid out 'welcome mat' for hackers, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Jun 25 21:54:19 2016. Right ... but that's only because clearly someone didn't know how to configure it properly. The salient point however is that spam filtering is done on the actual mail server, WAY downstream from the firewall/router filtering that normally disposes of potentially dangerous attachments or malware. So no "welcome mat", that's total bullshit. |
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Re: Top IT official: Disabling security for Clinton server laid out 'welcome mat' for hackers |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Jun 26 05:42:05 2016, in response to Re: Top IT official: Disabling security for Clinton server laid out 'welcome mat' for hackers, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jun 25 16:31:02 2016. #trollthread ? No pizza summit ? :) 
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Re: Top IT official: Disabling security for Clinton server laid out 'welcome mat' for hackers |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 26 05:44:40 2016, in response to Re: Top IT official: Disabling security for Clinton server laid out 'welcome mat' for hackers, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Jun 26 05:42:05 2016. I'll take two on the left, extra pickle, no sardines please. :) |
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Re: Top IT official: Disabling security for Clinton server laid out 'welcome mat' for hackers |
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Posted by Dave on Sun Jun 26 06:25:42 2016, in response to Re: Top IT official: Disabling security for Clinton server laid out 'welcome mat' for hackers, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 25 23:51:17 2016. So the former CTO of the Defense Intelligence Agency doesn't know what he's talking about? Maybe you don't know most of the majors!"Member of executive team that created a single technological enterprise from what was once 11 different major organizations. Final technical authority for the Department of Defense Intelligence Information System (DoDIIS). Responsible for establishing and overseeing enterprise-wide technology decision-making processes. Provided technical and operational advice and senior technical review regarding DIA and DoDIIS information architectures, data processing, IT systems, applications, networks and communications. Senior technical interface to the military Services, combatant commands, and agencies. Led DIA’s strategic engagements with industry, venture capital and academia." I'm not being an asshole, Unca Kev...you brought this one on yourself. |
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Re: Top IT official: Disabling security for Clinton server laid out 'welcome mat' for hackers |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sun Jun 26 08:07:33 2016, in response to Re: Top IT official: Disabling security for Clinton server laid out 'welcome mat' for hackers, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 25 23:59:47 2016. I'm not sure if the firewall/router will always be the one to stop bad attachments - that job can be given to security software located on the mail server (in this case, they mentioned Trend Micro). So yeah, it's plausible that they knocked down the filter which would have stopped bad attachments. Now, whether or not it rolled out a "welcome mat" is another matter - the sender shouldn't get any indication that the filter is down (since the filter should work silently) until he gets a response. It's a better analogy to say that the dog stops chewing on the mail coming through the slot. :-) |
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Re: Top IT official: Disabling security for Clinton server laid out 'welcome mat' for hackers |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Jun 26 10:14:16 2016, in response to Top IT official: Disabling security for Clinton server laid out 'welcome mat' for hackers, posted by Dave on Sat Jun 25 16:24:18 2016. You party's nominee is Donald Trump. |
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Re: Top IT official: Disabling security for Clinton server laid out 'welcome mat' for hackers |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Sun Jun 26 11:46:39 2016, in response to Re: Top IT official: Disabling security for Clinton server laid out 'welcome mat' for hackers, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 25 23:51:17 2016. Who works with many of them to this very day? |
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Re: Top IT official: Disabling security for Clinton server laid out 'welcome mat' for hackers |
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Posted by WayneJay on Sun Jun 26 14:24:29 2016, in response to Re: Top IT official: Disabling security for Clinton server laid out 'welcome mat' for hackers, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 26 05:44:40 2016. Well... Whatever the outcome... I wish it would happen so that these two will either get their orgasm or get a life. |
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Re: Top IT official: Disabling security for Clinton server laid out 'welcome mat' for hackers |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 26 19:26:42 2016, in response to Re: Top IT official: Disabling security for Clinton server laid out 'welcome mat' for hackers, posted by Dave on Sun Jun 26 06:25:42 2016. Executive this, executive that. Bean counter. That explains why I've never heard of him. I asked around last night. He's not very well regarded by his peers and folks like myself who actually do the work.And you STILL won't budge on the fact that his whole rap is bullshit. Even interns know that spam filters are on the MX server, not all the way upstream where intrusion detection occurs. That was my only point throughout, not how many stars he has on his beak. If Fox News is reporting that this information came from him, then he's an idiot. That was all I ever said. That's NOT how spam filters work. |
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Re: Top IT official: Disabling security for Clinton server laid out 'welcome mat' for hackers |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 26 19:40:17 2016, in response to Re: Top IT official: Disabling security for Clinton server laid out 'welcome mat' for hackers, posted by 3-9 on Sun Jun 26 08:07:33 2016. That's a very bad design were that the case. And by the year 2000, that concept fell quickly by the wayside in favor of deep packet inspection and filtering rules. Email file attachments are in MIME-types such as UUENCODE, XXENCODE or MEME64 because the email standards we still use are 7 bit for text and attachments, usually being binaries, require 8 bit encoding. So even when emails weren't encrypted, testing the contents of attachments prior to being unpacked were difficult.Now, because of encryption, networks have border routers that actually decrypt and examine every piece of what goes through prior to sending along into the actual network. The reason why I criticize Fox News on this story, and their "expert" if he actually explained this to them that way, is that the days when you would have an antivirus on the mail server went by the wayside in corporate systems back around 2004. It took a few years for government to catch up, but they had gone to this methodology by 2007 at the behest of the military who had been doing this since around 2001. And Trend Micro? Seriously? They never were very good. |
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Re: Top IT official: Disabling security for Clinton server laid out 'welcome mat' for hackers |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 26 19:49:40 2016, in response to Re: Top IT official: Disabling security for Clinton server laid out 'welcome mat' for hackers, posted by R2ChinaTown on Sun Jun 26 11:46:39 2016. Yep. Why? Did you think I mix drinks and wait tables at the Genius bar? Lulz |
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Re: Top IT official: Disabling security for Clinton server laid out 'welcome mat' for hackers |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 26 19:52:30 2016, in response to Re: Top IT official: Disabling security for Clinton server laid out 'welcome mat' for hackers, posted by WayneJay on Sun Jun 26 14:24:29 2016. Heh. I'm surprised nobody noticed the sardine substitution. :) |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Sun Jun 26 19:56:54 2016, in response to Re: Top IT official: Disabling security for Clinton server laid out 'welcome mat' for hackers, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 26 19:49:40 2016. Klutz |
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Re: Top IT official: Disabling security for Clinton server laid out 'welcome mat' for hackers |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 26 20:03:25 2016, in response to Re: Top IT official: Disabling security for Clinton server laid out 'welcome mat' for hackers, posted by Chicagomotorman on Sun Jun 26 19:56:54 2016. Beer, whine, soda, mixed drinks. :)
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Sun Jun 26 20:05:55 2016, in response to Re: Top IT official: Disabling security for Clinton server laid out 'welcome mat' for hackers, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 26 20:03:25 2016. Beer. And unlike most midwesterners I do say soda, and not pop. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 26 20:09:13 2016, in response to Re: Top IT official: Disabling security for Clinton server laid out 'welcome mat' for hackers, posted by Chicagomotorman on Sun Jun 26 20:05:55 2016. You gotta get out of there before somebody notices. :) |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Sun Jun 26 20:16:07 2016, in response to Re: Top IT official: Disabling security for Clinton server laid out 'welcome mat' for hackers, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 26 20:09:13 2016. No. I still prefer Chicago Hot Dogs, Italian Beef. Gyros pronounced Heeros, Pan pizza, Wrigley Field, Lake Shore Drive. |
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Re: Top IT official: Disabling security for Clinton server laid out 'welcome mat' for hackers |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 26 20:21:25 2016, in response to Re: Top IT official: Disabling security for Clinton server laid out 'welcome mat' for hackers, posted by Chicagomotorman on Sun Jun 26 20:16:07 2016. Yeah, kinda hard to give up the good stuff unless you're close enough to get it when you want it, and leave it when you don't. :) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 26 20:22:34 2016, in response to Re: Top IT official: Disabling security for Clinton server laid out 'welcome mat' for hackers, posted by Chicagomotorman on Sun Jun 26 20:05:55 2016. Why? |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sun Jun 26 20:33:09 2016, in response to Re: Top IT official: Disabling security for Clinton server laid out 'welcome mat' for hackers, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 26 20:22:34 2016. My late father said soda, and never called it pop. He was originally from New York. |
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Re: Top IT official: Disabling security for Clinton server laid out 'welcome mat' for hackers |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 26 20:39:50 2016, in response to Re: Top IT official: Disabling security for Clinton server laid out 'welcome mat' for hackers, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sun Jun 26 20:33:09 2016. That would explain it then. |
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Re: Top IT official: Disabling security for Clinton server laid out 'welcome mat' for hackers |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sun Jun 26 20:55:54 2016, in response to Re: Top IT official: Disabling security for Clinton server laid out 'welcome mat' for hackers, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 26 20:39:50 2016. lol |
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