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Re: One of these presidents...

Posted by bingbong on Sat Aug 29 13:11:21 2015, in response to Re: One of these presidents..., posted by R2ChinaTown on Sat Aug 29 12:31:11 2015.

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What they were has nothing to do with what they are now. Which is the primary healthcare for millions of lower income American women. They are saving lives now, and anyone that's against that is against women.

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Posted by bingbong on Sat Aug 29 13:16:14 2015, in response to Re: One of these presidents..., posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Aug 29 11:57:05 2015.

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Unless math has changed, 7 out of 10 is a profound majority.

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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Sat Aug 29 13:18:05 2015, in response to Re: One of these presidents..., posted by bingbong on Sat Aug 29 13:11:21 2015.

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Yet the Confederate flag "was" a symbol of slavery, so since there is no slavery now, what it was has nothing to do what it is now. N'est pas?

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Posted by bingbong on Sat Aug 29 13:20:15 2015, in response to Re: One of these presidents..., posted by kew gardens teleport on Sat Aug 29 12:13:57 2015.

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Exactly. That's why all options must be available to all.

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Posted by bingbong on Sat Aug 29 13:27:03 2015, in response to Re: One of these presidents..., posted by R2ChinaTown on Sat Aug 29 13:18:05 2015.

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Hardly, because racism still exists. And that flag has become its signature.

Planned Parenthood has nothing to do now with eugenics, an outmoded discredited "science". They're a medical provider for women and men now. Yunno that mammogram machine? They do men with it too. Have a nice day!

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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Aug 29 13:48:18 2015, in response to Re: One of these presidents..., posted by bingbong on Sat Aug 29 13:16:14 2015.

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Of course you agree with a pro murder, pro genocide group.

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Posted by bingbong on Sat Aug 29 13:50:07 2015, in response to Re: One of these presidents..., posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Aug 29 13:48:18 2015.

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It's a fetus, not a baby until the mother says it is.

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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Aug 29 13:52:30 2015, in response to Re: One of these presidents..., posted by bingbong on Sat Aug 29 13:50:07 2015.

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And not what the Lord says. Oh yeah that's right, you are G-dless.

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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 29 14:08:26 2015, in response to Re: One of these presidents..., posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Aug 29 13:52:30 2015.

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How do you know what "the Lord" says? Does God speak to you?

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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Aug 29 14:12:45 2015, in response to Re: One of these presidents..., posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 29 14:08:26 2015.

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He speaks to all of us. BTW, are you back home? How was your trip?

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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 29 14:17:39 2015, in response to Re: One of these presidents..., posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Aug 29 14:12:45 2015.

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No, he doesn't. And yes. It was OK. Next time I visit the Aretz, I'm staying in a hotel.

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Re: One of these presidents…

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 29 16:35:35 2015, in response to Re: One of these presidents…, posted by ftgreeneg on Sat Aug 29 01:09:40 2015.

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the reason they were so many arrest is called civil disobedience

Defecating on patrol cars, creating walls of garbage, breaking the legs of emergency personnel and raping women is "civil disobedience"??? No; it's crime. Civil disobedience is refusing to obey unjust laws.

As for the tea party protest i've seen so many signs depicting their racism and intolerance

You're a very bad liar.

As for handouts which cost this country more handouts to corps or handouts for poor ppl? Its not even close it's the corps but never seen tea party folk protest that

Again, you're a very bad liar; no Tea Party person is for what is today called "crony 'capitalism'".

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Posted by bingbong on Sat Aug 29 16:38:35 2015, in response to Re: One of these presidents…, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 29 16:35:35 2015.

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So why don't they come out and talk about that? (Hint: they aren't against corporate welfare, like wasted military spending for unwanted materiel as one example)

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Posted by Gamera on Sat Aug 29 17:00:23 2015, in response to Re: One of these presidents..., posted by bingbong on Sat Aug 29 13:50:07 2015.

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So you support abortion up to the minute before birth occurs?

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Posted by R2Chinatown on Sat Aug 29 17:10:38 2015, in response to Re: One of these presidents..., posted by bingbong on Sat Aug 29 13:27:03 2015.

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So are you denying that you support Hillary Clinton because she is a racist?

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Posted by R2Chinatown on Sat Aug 29 17:11:49 2015, in response to Re: One of these presidents..., posted by Gamera on Sat Aug 29 17:00:23 2015.

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So does Debbie Wasserman Shultz. It's the true liberal position.

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Posted by bingbong on Sat Aug 29 17:33:47 2015, in response to Re: One of these presidents..., posted by Gamera on Sat Aug 29 17:00:23 2015.

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Roe v Wade doesn't support abortion after fetal viability. Why would anyone? I do support losing the ban on D&X for stillbirths, as the least invasive procedure in those cases is best, with better chances for preserving future fertility and eliminating the automatic need for a caesarian in a future pregnancy.

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Posted by bingbong on Sat Aug 29 17:36:01 2015, in response to Re: One of these presidents..., posted by R2Chinatown on Sat Aug 29 17:10:38 2015.

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Hillary Clinton is not a racist.

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Posted by Gamera on Sat Aug 29 18:10:55 2015, in response to Re: One of these presidents..., posted by bingbong on Sat Aug 29 17:33:47 2015.

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But you said it's not a baby till the mother says it is. That's very different from what you are saying now.

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Re: One of these presidents...

Posted by bingbong on Sat Aug 29 18:21:23 2015, in response to Re: One of these presidents..., posted by Gamera on Sat Aug 29 18:10:55 2015.

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No it isn't.

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Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Aug 29 18:43:07 2015, in response to Re: One of these presidents..., posted by bingbong on Sat Aug 29 17:36:01 2015.

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No, but she is a hypocrite.

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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Sat Aug 29 19:08:48 2015, in response to Re: One of these presidents..., posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Aug 28 23:20:54 2015.

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You know Selkirk, you're one of my old friends on this board, but some of the other people I don't know or remember that well, and this stuff about an "enemy list" can only be hatched by liberals that cannot see the other side or by conservatives who are so rapped up in ideology that anyone who strays a tad is labeled a RINO. Well I guess a lot of us are on that list....heh?

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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Sat Aug 29 19:08:48 2015, in response to Re: One of these presidents..., posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Aug 28 23:20:54 2015.

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You know Selkirk, you're one of my old friends on this board, but some of the other people I don't know or remember that well, and this stuff about an "enemy list" can only be hatched by liberals that cannot see the other side or by conservatives who are so rapped up in ideology that anyone who strays a tad is labeled a RINO. Well I guess a lot of us are on that list....heh?

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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Sat Aug 29 19:10:30 2015, in response to Re: One of these presidents…, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 29 08:17:05 2015.

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Smaller government? Check!!!!! Open Borders? NYET!!!!! I think that should make me pass your smell test Olag. We are politically on the same side even if on a few issues we may have divergent opinions.

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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Sat Aug 29 19:21:32 2015, in response to Re: One of these presidents..., posted by AlM on Sat Aug 29 07:48:35 2015.

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Thanks AIM----I should have been clearer. The Republicans never have won a Presidential Election if they failed to carry Ohio, and in my opinion they won't this time if they don't. No Democrat is going to beat Kasich in Ohio.

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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Sat Aug 29 19:27:09 2015, in response to Re: One of these presidents..., posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Aug 29 09:34:46 2015.

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CM---Illegal immigration IS a priority for me. I want that fence built lickety split with no more bullshit from politicians that wind up being paralysis by analysis. My differing opinion is only for the children of the illegals who were taken here by their parents. They broke the law and should NOT become citizens but they can stay because as you well know deportation would take years since every illegal would have recourse to the courts and how long that would take is pretty damn long. Their kids came with their parents; they had no choice and now they live and go to school here and some are now married and are Americans in everything but name. I just think an exception should be made for them.

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Posted by Gamera on Sat Aug 29 19:34:22 2015, in response to Re: One of these presidents..., posted by bingbong on Sat Aug 29 18:21:23 2015.

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So if the mother says that it is not a baby yet in the ninth month of her pregnancy you would be fine with aborting it even though it is viable per Roe vs Wade?

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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Aug 29 19:35:29 2015, in response to Re: One of these presidents..., posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Sat Aug 29 19:27:09 2015.

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what about the people who hire the illegals

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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Aug 29 19:36:37 2015, in response to Re: One of these presidents..., posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Sat Aug 29 19:27:09 2015.

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I am sorry Fred, but I respectfully disagree with you, those anchor baby kids have to go to. No exceptions.

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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Sat Aug 29 19:36:57 2015, in response to Re: One of these presidents…, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 29 05:43:13 2015.

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Olag, once the Republicans nominated men and women like Joni Ernst, Shelley Caputo, Thom Tillis, Steve Daines, Tom Cotton, Cory Gardner and others of their ild----and not the likes of pukes like Akin, Buck, Angle, O'Donnell and Mourdock, bum candidates in 2010 and 2012, anyone with a brain knew the Senate would slip over to the Republicans. Good candidates like Gardner, Tillia, Daines and their ilk win, ideolgues like Angle, Mourdock and Akin don't. Hopefully we learned a lesson that you win with good candidates, and instead of having 54 Senate seats right now, with better candidates we could have 60 or 61 right now.

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Posted by bingbong on Sat Aug 29 19:45:22 2015, in response to Re: One of these presidents..., posted by Gamera on Sat Aug 29 19:34:22 2015.

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No doctor would abort a healthy pregnancy at that stage. It's illegal. Not happening.

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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 29 19:51:25 2015, in response to Re: One of these presidents…, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Sat Aug 29 19:36:57 2015.

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To that psycho Olog-hai you are a RINO.

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Posted by Gamera on Sat Aug 29 20:00:13 2015, in response to Re: One of these presidents..., posted by bingbong on Sat Aug 29 19:45:22 2015.

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So then your statement that "it's not a baby till the mother says it is" was not true. Was it?

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Posted by AlM on Sat Aug 29 20:08:46 2015, in response to Re: One of these presidents..., posted by Gamera on Sat Aug 29 20:00:13 2015.

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Are you incapable of reading?

She never said that killing a viable fetus is an OK thing to do. She just said a fetus, even if viable, isn't a baby.

And that is legally correct. It's not a baby until it's born; it's a fetus. It's still a very serious crime to kill that fetus, and no one said differently.



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Posted by Gamera on Sat Aug 29 20:20:13 2015, in response to Re: One of these presidents..., posted by AlM on Sat Aug 29 20:08:46 2015.

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Are you her lawyer? Why doesn't she say that for herself if that is what she means?

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Posted by bingbong on Sat Aug 29 20:24:48 2015, in response to Re: One of these presidents..., posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Aug 29 18:43:07 2015.

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No, she is neither. Want a hypocrite? Try trump. Wasn't too long ago he was spewing 180° from where he's at now.

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Posted by bingbong on Sat Aug 29 20:27:30 2015, in response to Re: One of these presidents..., posted by Gamera on Sat Aug 29 20:00:13 2015.

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If a mother feels it's a baby at six weeks then that's her choice. Doubt she'd want to abort, barring significant problems as the pregnancy progresses. Fact it, that's her call, and the government has no say or interest until viability. Just like Roe v Wade says.

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Posted by bingbong on Sat Aug 29 20:30:38 2015, in response to Re: One of these presidents..., posted by Gamera on Sat Aug 29 20:20:13 2015.

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What makes you think I didn't?

Only thing here is, I give the women slightly broader rights, in that if SHE wants the pregnancy, calling the fetus a baby is fine. It's an emotional designation, not a scientific one. Law addresses the scientific. By law, it's a fetus until born.

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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Aug 29 20:32:00 2015, in response to Re: One of these presidents..., posted by bingbong on Sat Aug 29 20:24:48 2015.

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iawtp
told the truth

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Posted by Gamera on Sat Aug 29 20:32:01 2015, in response to Re: One of these presidents..., posted by bingbong on Sat Aug 29 20:27:30 2015.

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So Roe vs Wade determines when a fetus is viable. It is not the mothers choice to make that determination like your statement. I rest my case!

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Posted by Gamera on Sat Aug 29 20:52:53 2015, in response to Re: One of these presidents..., posted by bingbong on Sat Aug 29 20:30:38 2015.

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So you respond to a comment about abortion being murder by saying "it isn't a baby till the mother says it is". If you had made it clear that you support abortion within the guidelines set forth in Roe then you and I would not be having this debate.

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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 29 21:04:20 2015, in response to Re: One of these presidents..., posted by Gamera on Sat Aug 29 17:00:23 2015.

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Probably after birth too, like some people . . . you know, they start as fringe and later become "mainstream".

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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 29 21:07:12 2015, in response to Re: One of these presidents…, posted by bingbong on Sat Aug 29 16:38:35 2015.

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They do. Why don't you try listening instead of to Marxist propaganda?

they aren't against corporate welfare, like wasted military spending for unwanted materiel as one example

Lying won't get you anywhere. The military is shrinking faster than California's water supply.

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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 29 21:10:00 2015, in response to Re: One of these presidents…, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Sat Aug 29 19:36:57 2015.

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So you're only concerned with the "party" winning, shifting ever further leftward and openly aiding Obama's agenda rather than the slide off the cliff halting? Party over country? That's de-facto Democratic Party.

Hint: The GOP won on promises that the RINOs lied about keeping. You've been brainwashed by being in the L.O.F.A.N. for too long.

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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 29 21:11:08 2015, in response to Re: One of these presidents..., posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Sat Aug 29 19:27:09 2015.

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Their kids came with their parents; they had no choice and now they live and go to school here and some are now married and are Americans in everything but name. I just think an exception should be made for them

You going to be fine with them being taken away from their abusive parents?

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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 29 21:12:20 2015, in response to Re: One of these presidents..., posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Sat Aug 29 19:08:48 2015.

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conservatives who are so rapped up in ideology

Define that, please.

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Re: One of these presidents…

Posted by AlM on Sat Aug 29 21:18:41 2015, in response to Re: One of these presidents…, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 29 19:51:25 2015.

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Yes, Olog is really giving Fred a hard time. He can't bear that Fred considers himself a conservative.




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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 29 21:41:15 2015, in response to Re: One of these presidents..., posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Sat Aug 29 19:21:32 2015.

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Ohio's gone blue, sorry to say. I remember about 10-15 years ago that there were lots of people moving there from NJ, skipping over PA (except for the very eastern half, from the Poconos through the Lehigh Valley down to the Philly suburban area).

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Posted by AlM on Sat Aug 29 21:48:18 2015, in response to Re: One of these presidents…, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 29 21:41:15 2015.

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It would be very hard for any Republican candidate to win in 2016 without Ohio. Republicans need to win FL, OH, VA, and at least one other state that Obama won in 2012, or else find a different approach that wins some states where Obama did even better in 2012 than he did in those 3 states.



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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sat Aug 29 21:50:18 2015, in response to Re: One of these presidents..., posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Aug 28 15:29:05 2015.

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You deserved it.

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