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How The South Screws America

Posted by SMAZ on Sat Jul 4 10:01:45 2015

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Happy Independence day
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How the South Skews America
We’d be less violent, more mobile and in general more normal if not for Dixie.

Michael Lind - Politico Magazine


Every year the Fourth of July is marked by ringing affirmations of American exceptionalism. We are a special nation, uniquely founded on high ideals like freedom and equality. In practice, however, much of what sets the United States apart from other countries today is actually Southern exceptionalism. The United States would be much less exceptional in general, and in particular more like other English-speaking democracies such as Britain, Canada, Australia and New Zealand were it not for the effects on U.S. politics and culture of the American South.

I don’t mean this in a good way. A lot of the traits that make the United States exceptional these days are undesirable, like higher violence and less social mobility. Many of these differences can be attributed largely to the South.
All English-speaking democracies share certain characteristics in common. Compared to continental European and East Asian democracies, the Anglophone nations tend to be more market-oriented and less statist, with somewhat lower levels of social spending and weaker bureaucracies. We might even speak of “Anglosphere exceptionalism.”
But even by the standards of the English-speaking world, the U.S. appears as an extreme outlier, in areas ranging from religiosity to violence to anti-government attitudes. As we learned after the slaughter last month in Charleston, S.C., some deluded Southerners still pine for secession from the Union. Yet no doubt there are also more than a few liberal Northerners who would be happy to see them go.

Minus the South, the rest of the U.S. probably would be more like Canada or Australia or Britain or New Zealand—more secular, more socially liberal, more moderate in the tone of its politics and somewhat more generous in social policy. And it would not be as centralized as France or as social democratic as Sweden.
As a fifth-generation Texan, and a descendant of Southerners back to the 1600s, I don’t want to encourage lurid stereotypes of a monolithic South. The states of the former Confederacy include ethnic minorities like Louisiana Cajuns and Texas Germans, along with African Americans. And the dominant conservatives in the South have always been challenged from within the ranks of the white community by populists, liberals and radicals.

But the South really is different from the rest of the country. Here are some examples of how the South skews American statistics.
Today there is more inter-generational social mobility in Europe than in the United States, contrary to the American myth that the United States is still the world’s No. 1 land of opportunity. The Economic Mobility Project of Pew Charitable Trusts has shown that children are far less likely to rise above the socio-economic levels of their parents in the U.S. than are those in Britain, Canada and Australia, as well as Germany, France and the Nordic nations. The American South, with the lowest rates of intergenerational social mobility in the U.S., clearly skews the national statistics, creating an embarrassing and depressing version of American exceptionalism.

Economic inequality? Apart from California and New York, where statistics reflect the wealth of Wall Street, Hollywood and Silicon Valley, the South is the region with the greatest income inequality. Southern exceptionalism has helped to ensure that the American Dream is more likely to be realized in the Old World than in the New.
The mythology of American exceptionalism holds that ever since 1776 the United States has led the rest of the world in expanding individual liberty and the growth of the middle class. This makes for inspiring Fourth of July rhetoric, but it has never been true. In reality, the United States has frequently lagged behind Britain and her other offspring in these areas. Britain peacefully abolished slavery within its empire in the 1830s; thanks to Southern opposition, the U.S. did so only as the result of the catastrophic Civil War. And thanks to mid-century Southern members of Congress, welfare-state policies from home ownership to Social Security were designed to reinforce segregation or exclude the disproportionately-Southern black and white poor. Not until the 1960s, with the help of federal military intervention in Southern states, was the right of African-Americans to vote secured. And today white Southern Republicans are at the forefront of efforts to roll back the voting rights revolution by making voter registration more difficult.


Religiosity is one example of American exceptionalism among English-speaking countries that is largely the result of Southern exceptionalism within the United States. “We don’t do God,” Tony Blair’s aide Alastair Campbell famously remarked, emphasizing that religion is kept out of the public sphere in modern-day Britain. In most modern English-speaking countries, voters find ostentatious piety on the part of political candidates troubling, not reassuring. But in the U.S., born-again Southern evangelical politicians like Jimmy Carter and George W. Bush who troll for votes with piety have given U.S. presidential politics a flavor more reminiscent of Tehran than of London or Ottawa or Canberra. According to Gallup, in 2014 the most religious Americans were all found in Southern states, with the exceptions of Mormon Utah and semi-Southern Oklahoma. Mississippi led the nation in zeal.

Southern violence also goes a long way toward explaining the exceptional violence of the United States in general compared to otherwise similar countries. The pre-modern “culture of honor” continues to exist to a greater degree in the South. White Southerners are more likely than white northerners to respond to insults with increased testosterone and aggression, according to social scientists. According to the FBI in 2012, the South as a region, containing only a quarter of the population, accounted for 40.9 percent of U.S. violent crime.

Compared to other Americans, Southerners disproportionately support sanctioned violence in all of its forms, from military intervention abroad to capital punishment to corporal punishment of children. According to Gallup, Southern households have a far higher rate of gun ownership (38 percent) than households in the East (21 percent), Midwest (29 percent) or West (27 percent).

The death penalty has been abolished in Britain, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Isolated among the major English-speaking nations, the U.S. is among the world’s leaders when it comes to per capita executions, competing with the regimes in Saudi Arabia, China, Iran and North Korea. The U.S. owes this dubious honor to the South. Between the time the Supreme Court ended the ban on the death penalty and mid-June of this year, the South was responsible for 81 percent of the executions in the United States, with Texas and Oklahoma alone accounting for 45 percent of the whole.

The racial polarization of the American electorate is exacerbated by the white Southern electorate. In 2012, Barack Obama, the first African-American president, won only 39 percent of the white vote. But low numbers among white voters in the South dragged down his nationwide total. Obama did better than his national average with white voters in the Midwest and won outright with 51 percent in Iowa.
Voting is far more polarized along racial lines in the Southern states than elsewhere. According to a recent study by political scientists Avidit Acharya, Matthew Blackwell and Maya Sen, “the larger the number of slaves in his or her county of residence in 1860, the greater the probability that a white Southerners today will identify as a Republican, express opposition to race-coded policies such as affirmative action and express greater racial resentment towards African Americans.”

White Southern political culture has shown remarkable continuity, despite the half-century flight of Southern conservatives from the Democratic to the Republican Party. It is true, as some historians and pundits point out, that the Republican Party’s post-World War II resurgence in the South owed a lot to its appeal to suburbanites and business elites. But that is ancient history. More recently, the country-club Republican supporters of Barry Goldwater and John Connally have been swamped in Southern Republican parties by a wave of working-class white Southerners who are heirs to paranoid and sullen Dixiecrat conservatism, not sunny and optimistic Goldwater-Reagan conservatism. Indeed, on issues from gay marriage to immigration to public investment in infrastructure, the business community and the GOP’s white Southern base are increasingly at odds.

All of this leaves little doubt that, in the absence of Southern exceptionalism, the U.S. would be much more similar to other English-speaking democracies, which don’t subject their leaders to religious tests, don’t suffer from high levels of gun violence and don’t rival communist China and despotic Saudi Arabia in the number of executions per capita. Without the gravitational force exerted on the South, American conservatism itself would be radically different—more Bob Dole than Ted Cruz.

The northern progressives who joke about the U.S. jettisoning “Jesusland” and merging with Canada will not get their wish. But there is hope: A combination of demographic change and generational change is weakening the ability of the old-fashioned South to skew American politics and culture in the future. Peripheral Southern states like Florida and Virginia are increasingly competitive, and the Deep South may join them in time. In Texas once-reactionary cities like Houston and Dallas are competing with Austin as tolerant meccas for transplants who prefer the Sun Belt to the Old South. Immigration into the South from other countries and American regions is breaking down local oligarchies and old folkways.
The decline in Southern exceptionalism in time may lead to more of a convergence among the U.S. and other modern democracies. Let us hope so. We have had enough of the wrong kind of American exceptionalism.

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Michael Lind is a contributing editor to Politico Magazine and author of Made in Texas: George W. Bush and the Southern Takeover of American Politics.




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Re: How The South Screws America

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Jul 4 10:04:57 2015, in response to How The South Screws America, posted by SMAZ on Sat Jul 4 10:01:45 2015.

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You are prejudiced against people from south of the Mason Dixon line.

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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Jul 4 10:19:00 2015, in response to Re: How The South Screws America, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Jul 4 10:04:57 2015.

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Some of the finest people I know are from south of the Mason-Dixon Line.

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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Jul 4 10:29:36 2015, in response to Re: How The South Screws America, posted by SMAZ on Sat Jul 4 10:19:00 2015.

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Me too. Bu I can't tell when you post titles like this How The South Screws America.

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Posted by bingbong on Sat Jul 4 10:31:24 2015, in response to How The South Screws America, posted by SMAZ on Sat Jul 4 10:01:45 2015.

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Thanks, great article. Surprised to see it out of Politico.

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Posted by bingbong on Sat Jul 4 10:32:03 2015, in response to Re: How The South Screws America, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Jul 4 10:29:36 2015.

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Because as a whole they do.

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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Jul 4 10:38:20 2015, in response to Re: How The South Screws America, posted by bingbong on Sat Jul 4 10:32:03 2015.

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That makes you prejudiced.

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Posted by bingbong on Sat Jul 4 10:40:47 2015, in response to Re: How The South Screws America, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Jul 4 10:38:20 2015.

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No, it makes me pragmatic. It's only been the past month that the south is realizing they lost the Civil War. Took 150 years. What about that?

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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Jul 4 10:45:57 2015, in response to Re: How The South Screws America, posted by bingbong on Sat Jul 4 10:40:47 2015.

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iawtp

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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Jul 4 10:48:55 2015, in response to Re: How The South Screws America, posted by bingbong on Sat Jul 4 10:40:47 2015.

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No, it makes me pragmatic. OK, I'll remember that the next time you call me a racist.






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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Jul 4 10:49:53 2015, in response to Re: How The South Screws America, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Jul 4 10:45:57 2015.

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You have no idea what you ever agree on.

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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Jul 4 10:53:55 2015, in response to Re: How The South Screws America, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Jul 4 10:49:53 2015.

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oh yeah i do
they are still fighting the civil war in the south today
i know i have been there

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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Jul 4 10:56:53 2015, in response to Re: How The South Screws America, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Jul 4 10:53:55 2015.

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I have been there too. And believe me, unlike you, they love the United States of America.

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Posted by bingbong on Sat Jul 4 11:05:34 2015, in response to Re: How The South Screws America, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Jul 4 10:48:55 2015.

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You get called a racist for behaving as one. On the other hand, stating the fact that the south has held back this nations progress is simply stating fact. There is nothing untrue, unfactual in that article.

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Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Jul 4 11:16:42 2015, in response to Re: How The South Screws America, posted by bingbong on Sat Jul 4 11:05:34 2015.

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Thank you for confirming you're a hypocrite.

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Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Jul 4 11:17:32 2015, in response to Re: How The South Screws America, posted by bingbong on Sat Jul 4 11:05:34 2015.

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Thank you for confirming you're a hypocrite.

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Posted by bingbong on Sat Jul 4 11:25:20 2015, in response to Re: How The South Screws America, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Jul 4 11:16:42 2015.

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LOL! What's hypocritical about what I said? Nothing.......fact is, the south as a whole HAS held this country back.

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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Jul 4 11:35:18 2015, in response to Re: How The South Screws America, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Jul 4 10:56:53 2015.

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sure ChicagoMotorman ! sure

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Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Jul 4 11:37:04 2015, in response to Re: How The South Screws America, posted by bingbong on Sat Jul 4 11:25:20 2015.

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You are prejudiced against southerners.

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Posted by bingbong on Sat Jul 4 11:40:08 2015, in response to Re: How The South Screws America, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Jul 4 11:37:04 2015.

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Wrong. However, most of the southerners I know cannot figure what is with the haters down there.

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Posted by AlM on Sat Jul 4 11:45:13 2015, in response to Re: How The South Screws America, posted by SMAZ on Sat Jul 4 10:19:00 2015.

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Hmm.

Some of your best friends too?


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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Jul 4 11:57:15 2015, in response to Re: How The South Screws America, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Jul 4 10:56:53 2015.

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you are full of shit as usual

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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Jul 4 11:59:17 2015, in response to Re: How The South Screws America, posted by bingbong on Sat Jul 4 11:40:08 2015.

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First you said the south as a whole HAS held this country back.

Then you say most of the southerners I know cannot figure what is with the haters down there.

Please make up your mind.

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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Jul 4 12:00:32 2015, in response to Re: How The South Screws America, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Jul 4 11:57:15 2015.

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you are full of shit as usual


Then maybe it's time for ex lax.


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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Jul 4 12:02:03 2015, in response to Re: How The South Screws America, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Jul 4 12:00:32 2015.

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ooooooooooooooooo
you are nasty

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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Jul 4 12:04:33 2015, in response to Re: How The South Screws America, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Jul 4 12:02:03 2015.

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You asked for it. You got it. Toyota.

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Posted by mtk52983 on Sat Jul 4 12:19:32 2015, in response to Re: How The South Screws America, posted by bingbong on Sat Jul 4 11:25:20 2015.

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Fact is illegal immigrants have held this country back by taking jobs from honest, hard working Americans. Doesn't mean I am racist, just the facts ma'am

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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Jul 4 12:20:46 2015, in response to Re: How The South Screws America, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Jul 4 12:04:33 2015.

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i drive a AMERICAN CAR a 1982 chevrolet caprice
built by americans too

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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Jul 4 12:21:39 2015, in response to Re: How The South Screws America, posted by mtk52983 on Sat Jul 4 12:19:32 2015.

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yeah ! they do the jobs americans dont want to and cant do

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Posted by mtk52983 on Sat Jul 4 12:24:27 2015, in response to Re: How The South Screws America, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Jul 4 12:21:39 2015.

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Says the person who has not bothered to look for work since the early 1980's and has instead lived on government handouts although perfectly capable of working

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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Jul 4 12:26:04 2015, in response to Re: How The South Screws America, posted by mtk52983 on Sat Jul 4 12:24:27 2015.

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that is bullshit also

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Posted by AlM on Sat Jul 4 12:27:30 2015, in response to Re: How The South Screws America, posted by mtk52983 on Sat Jul 4 12:19:32 2015.

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Not a proven fact.

Very competent economists who don't have an ax to grind on the topic can't resolve that question.

Some citizens' incomes have been reduced, yes. But has GDP per capita been reduced? Let's see proff!



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Posted by AlM on Sat Jul 4 12:28:59 2015, in response to Re: How The South Screws America, posted by mtk52983 on Sat Jul 4 12:24:27 2015.

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He seems to be living far too comfortably to be subsisting on government handouts.



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Posted by bingbong on Sat Jul 4 12:32:28 2015, in response to Re: How The South Screws America, posted by mtk52983 on Sat Jul 4 12:19:32 2015.

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Had the labor laws been enforced, there would be much less of a "illegal immigration" problem.

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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Jul 4 12:34:17 2015, in response to Re: How The South Screws America, posted by AlM on Sat Jul 4 12:28:59 2015.

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you and mtk52983 are both full of shit
and you dont have a clue what you are talking about

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Posted by mtk52983 on Sat Jul 4 12:35:31 2015, in response to Re: How The South Screws America, posted by bingbong on Sat Jul 4 12:32:28 2015.

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If we didn't coddle illegal immigrants that would lessen the problem too, as well as securing our borders to prevent entry in the first place

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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Jul 4 12:45:16 2015, in response to Re: How The South Screws America, posted by mtk52983 on Sat Jul 4 12:19:32 2015.

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iawtlp

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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Jul 4 12:47:21 2015, in response to Re: How The South Screws America, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Jul 4 12:21:39 2015.

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Correction.
they do the jobs salaamallah dont want to and cant do.




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Posted by AlM on Sat Jul 4 12:55:14 2015, in response to Re: How The South Screws America, posted by mtk52983 on Sat Jul 4 12:35:31 2015.

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If we didn't coddle illegal immigrants that would lessen the problem too, as well as securing our borders to prevent entry in the first place

Do you think we currently make insufficient effort to secure our borders?



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Posted by bingbong on Sat Jul 4 12:57:58 2015, in response to Re: How The South Screws America, posted by AlM on Sat Jul 4 12:55:14 2015.

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Our border is as secure as its ever been.

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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Jul 4 13:06:27 2015, in response to Re: How The South Screws America, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Jul 4 12:47:21 2015.

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include your self in this also ChicagoMotorman !!
look at yourself in the mirror first

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Re: How The South Screws America

Posted by SLRT on Sat Jul 4 13:20:19 2015, in response to How The South Screws America, posted by SMAZ on Sat Jul 4 10:01:45 2015.

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What a hate-filled elitist article.

Would they publish an article using statistics to say black people drag America down?

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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Jul 4 13:24:11 2015, in response to Re: How The South Screws America, posted by SLRT on Sat Jul 4 13:20:19 2015.

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proof ?
proff

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Posted by SLRT on Sat Jul 4 13:27:34 2015, in response to Re: How The South Screws America, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Jul 4 13:24:11 2015.

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Proff of wut?

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Posted by mtk52983 on Sat Jul 4 13:27:37 2015, in response to Re: How The South Screws America, posted by AlM on Sat Jul 4 12:55:14 2015.

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We could do better. Too many have gotten in and the President refuses to deport them. You also have NYC giving them even more

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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Jul 4 13:30:59 2015, in response to Re: How The South Screws America, posted by SLRT on Sat Jul 4 13:27:34 2015.

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of what you said
black folks are bringing down america

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Posted by SLRT on Sat Jul 4 13:43:04 2015, in response to Re: How The South Screws America, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Jul 4 13:30:59 2015.

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I didn't say or mean that. I was saying that like that article, you could use statistics to say that black people are bringing down America in the same sense that he's talking about the South.

Liberals like to call others Haters, but they love to dump their own hates on certain groups without challenge. Like the South, Flyover Country, Religion, especially Christian religion.

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Posted by AlM on Sat Jul 4 13:43:42 2015, in response to Re: How The South Screws America, posted by mtk52983 on Sat Jul 4 13:27:37 2015.

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So consider the illegal entry rate now, vs., say in 2005? Are you saying even more money should be spent to reduce the rate below what it is now?





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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Jul 4 13:45:51 2015, in response to Re: How The South Screws America, posted by SLRT on Sat Jul 4 13:43:04 2015.

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...................ok
thx

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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Jul 4 13:47:43 2015, in response to Re: How The South Screws America, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Jul 4 12:20:46 2015.

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