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Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral

Posted by Dave on Sat Mar 28 07:35:34 2015

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According to the Manhattan Institute, premiums climbed by 41 percent on average from 2013 to 2014, and premiums are likely to rise sharply again after two insurance company bailout programs included in Obamacare expire in 2017.


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Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral

Posted by Nilet on Sat Mar 28 08:07:43 2015, in response to Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral, posted by Dave on Sat Mar 28 07:35:34 2015.

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And you're just starting to notice what us liberals have been saying about Obamacare since the 90s when it was still the Republicans' answer to Clintoncare.

Well done. Better 20 years late than never.

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Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral

Posted by Fred G on Sat Mar 28 12:26:29 2015, in response to Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral, posted by Dave on Sat Mar 28 07:35:34 2015.

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According to the Manhattan Institute...

Sounds like the think tank has a plan B for if and when the Supreme Court shoots down the current challenge to the ACA.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Mar 28 12:48:17 2015, in response to Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral, posted by Dave on Sat Mar 28 07:35:34 2015.

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Where's this "universal healthcare" I was hearing about in 2011?

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Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral

Posted by Nilet on Sun Mar 29 03:42:54 2015, in response to Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Mar 28 12:48:17 2015.

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You and your fellow conservatives destroyed it.

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Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral

Posted by Mitch45 on Sun Mar 29 10:38:41 2015, in response to Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral, posted by Dave on Sat Mar 28 07:35:34 2015.

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I think that other than his liberal base, the rest of the civilized world can't wait to see Obama gone.

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Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral

Posted by Dave on Sun Mar 29 10:53:59 2015, in response to Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral, posted by Mitch45 on Sun Mar 29 10:38:41 2015.

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IAWTP.

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Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral

Posted by Nilet on Sun Mar 29 11:40:38 2015, in response to Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral, posted by Mitch45 on Sun Mar 29 10:38:41 2015.

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Obama doesn't have a liberal base. Obama is a right-wing nut and the left hasn't supported him since 2009.

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Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral

Posted by SMAZ on Sun Mar 29 19:51:57 2015, in response to Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral, posted by Mitch45 on Sun Mar 29 10:38:41 2015.

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If Obama could run in 2016, he would win a walk.

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Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral

Posted by R2ChinaTown on Sun Mar 29 23:37:19 2015, in response to Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral, posted by Mitch45 on Sun Mar 29 10:38:41 2015.

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I was a supporter in 2008 but I agree. He's been a complete failure.

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Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Mar 30 05:56:44 2015, in response to Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral, posted by Dave on Sat Mar 28 07:35:34 2015.

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Mine went down for 2015.

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Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral

Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Mar 30 09:13:15 2015, in response to Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Mar 30 05:56:44 2015.

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Mine went up, as always IIRC.

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Re: Obamacare - House Republican Asks

Posted by Fred G on Mon Mar 30 11:19:23 2015, in response to Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral, posted by Dave on Sat Mar 28 07:35:34 2015.

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house-republican-asks-for-obamacare-tales-gets-positive-comments

Cathy McMorris Rodgers Facebook


your pal,
Fred

PS my health care premium went up 19 bucks a month. That's not a sharp increase.



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Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral

Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Mon Mar 30 22:53:46 2015, in response to Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral, posted by Mitch45 on Sun Mar 29 10:38:41 2015.

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Yawn.

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Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral

Posted by italianstallion on Mon Mar 30 23:24:56 2015, in response to Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral, posted by SMAZ on Sun Mar 29 19:51:57 2015.

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IAWTP.

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Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral

Posted by italianstallion on Mon Mar 30 23:25:41 2015, in response to Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral, posted by Mitch45 on Sun Mar 29 10:38:41 2015.

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You guys live in a closed right-wing bubble. Obama has almost a 50% approval rating.

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Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral

Posted by italianstallion on Mon Mar 30 23:25:56 2015, in response to Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral, posted by Nilet on Sun Mar 29 11:40:38 2015.

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You are a faux liberal.

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Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral

Posted by italianstallion on Mon Mar 30 23:26:20 2015, in response to Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral, posted by R2ChinaTown on Sun Mar 29 23:37:19 2015.

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What nonsense.

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Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 30 23:26:33 2015, in response to Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral, posted by italianstallion on Mon Mar 30 23:25:41 2015.

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I have something to say but won't.



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Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 30 23:27:32 2015, in response to Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral, posted by italianstallion on Mon Mar 30 23:25:56 2015.

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Go for it.

I dare you.

He'll rip you a new one!

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Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral

Posted by italianstallion on Mon Mar 30 23:31:13 2015, in response to Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral, posted by Dave on Sat Mar 28 07:35:34 2015.

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Your source is laughably incorrect.

Sticker shock? Not. Obamacare's proposed 2015 rates

And in the 38 states and D.C. that have finalized rates or released proposed rates for such plans, the average premium would rise 6 percent, PwC said.

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Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 30 23:35:15 2015, in response to Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral, posted by italianstallion on Mon Mar 30 23:31:13 2015.

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antarctica

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Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral

Posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Mar 31 00:00:56 2015, in response to Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral, posted by SMAZ on Sun Mar 29 19:51:57 2015.

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Fuck you

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Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral

Posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Mar 31 00:01:05 2015, in response to Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral, posted by SMAZ on Sun Mar 29 19:51:57 2015.

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Fuck you

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Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral

Posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Mar 31 00:02:05 2015, in response to Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral, posted by italianstallion on Mon Mar 30 23:24:56 2015.

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Fuck you

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Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral

Posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Mar 31 00:03:18 2015, in response to Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral, posted by italianstallion on Mon Mar 30 23:25:41 2015.

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You're a fraud.

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Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral

Posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Mar 31 00:07:47 2015, in response to Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral, posted by italianstallion on Mon Mar 30 23:25:41 2015.

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You're a fraud.

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Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral

Posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Mar 31 00:07:47 2015, in response to Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral, posted by italianstallion on Mon Mar 30 23:24:56 2015.

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Fuck you

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Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 31 00:54:28 2015, in response to Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral, posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Mar 31 00:07:47 2015.

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Jorge Mario

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Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Mar 31 04:05:43 2015, in response to Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral, posted by italianstallion on Mon Mar 30 23:25:41 2015.

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Lol!!!!

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Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral

Posted by Fred G on Tue Mar 31 05:07:09 2015, in response to Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral, posted by italianstallion on Mon Mar 30 23:25:41 2015.

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Obama Approval Ratings For 7th Year Top George W. Bush's So Far

LEL

Your pal,
Fred

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Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Mar 31 06:14:19 2015, in response to Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral, posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Mar 30 09:13:15 2015.

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Mine went up, as always IIRC.

Then your company sucks and you should should come to mine. Our mailroom is severely understaffed.

Mine has gone up every single year I've been working. The only exception was when I was laid off and briefly went on Medicaid. This is the first time my weekly premium has gone down.

I've also been getting rebates over the past couple of years because of the provision in the ACA that says an insurer's overhead can't exceed 20 percent. I haven't calculated what my total annual premium has been the past couple of years because of those rebates; I'm basing "going down" only on the weekly premium.





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Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral

Posted by gp38/r42 CHRIS on Tue Mar 31 07:03:10 2015, in response to Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral, posted by Fred G on Tue Mar 31 05:07:09 2015.

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Oh so he's doing good because he's slightly higher than another president that didn't have good ratings. Lol.

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Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral

Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Mar 31 07:19:33 2015, in response to Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Mar 31 06:14:19 2015.

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My mailroom is looking for a manager with at least 4 years experience handling small packages and at least another four years handling large packages. But you're way over qualified. Sorry.

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Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral

Posted by SMAZ on Tue Mar 31 08:51:17 2015, in response to Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral, posted by gp38/r42 CHRIS on Tue Mar 31 07:03:10 2015.

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So tell me.

Who among the prospective candidates that the GOP is planning on running next year would be able to beat Obama?

None.



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Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral

Posted by cortelyounext on Tue Mar 31 09:08:20 2015, in response to Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral, posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Mar 31 00:01:05 2015.

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Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral

Posted by AlM on Tue Mar 31 09:11:53 2015, in response to Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral, posted by SMAZ on Tue Mar 31 08:51:17 2015.

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If things go just right for him, Jeb could take all of Mitt's states plus FL, VA, OH,and CO.


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Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral

Posted by Nilet on Tue Mar 31 09:41:43 2015, in response to Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 30 23:27:32 2015.

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<aside>He don't know me very well!</aside>

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Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral

Posted by Nilet on Tue Mar 31 09:41:46 2015, in response to Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral, posted by italianstallion on Mon Mar 30 23:25:56 2015.

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How so?

Just because I can't stand the Obamabots who keep making excuses for one of the most conservative presidents in recent history?

Obama supports torture and mass spying. He supports endless wars. He opposes any reform that will fundamentally benefit the middle class (let alone the poor), he's happy to let the rich and powerful write the laws so they don't have to bother breaking them, and no president has been more ruthless in cracking down on whistleblowers who expose the criminal activity of the rich and powerful.

And now you're accusing me of being a "faux liberal" because I support health care reform— something else Obama strongly opposes.

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Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Mar 31 10:37:43 2015, in response to Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral, posted by gp38/r42 CHRIS on Tue Mar 31 07:03:10 2015.

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Oh so he's doing good because he's slightly higher than another president that didn't have good ratings. Lol.

Barack Obama, 3/13-15/2015, 48 percent.
Ronald Reagan, 3/14-18/1987, 46 percent.

LOL!


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Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Mar 31 11:07:36 2015, in response to Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 31 00:54:28 2015.

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Bergoglio

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Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Mar 31 11:08:33 2015, in response to Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 30 23:27:32 2015.

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Still kissing his ass

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Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Mar 31 11:30:37 2015, in response to Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral, posted by cortelyounext on Tue Mar 31 09:08:20 2015.

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Who is that?

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Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Mar 31 11:36:47 2015, in response to Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral, posted by SMAZ on Tue Mar 31 08:51:17 2015.

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Ted Cruz.

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Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral

Posted by mtk52983 on Tue Mar 31 11:48:51 2015, in response to Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Mar 31 11:30:37 2015.

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José María Olazábal

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Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 31 12:11:55 2015, in response to Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Mar 31 11:36:47 2015.

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LOLOLOLOL!

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Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral

Posted by r30a on Tue Mar 31 12:26:06 2015, in response to Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Mar 31 11:36:47 2015.

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Cruz Vs Clinton

The Democrats thank you.

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Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral

Posted by Bingbong on Tue Mar 31 12:29:08 2015, in response to Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral, posted by AlM on Tue Mar 31 09:11:53 2015.

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Fortunately the chances are slim at best.

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Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral

Posted by SMAZ on Tue Mar 31 12:39:41 2015, in response to Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Mar 31 10:37:43 2015.

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PWN3D!!!

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Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Mar 31 12:52:32 2015, in response to Re: Obamacare flying machine begins a death spiral, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Mar 31 11:48:51 2015.

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never heard of him

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