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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Mar 26 18:06:41 2015 fiogf49gjkf0d Are you planning to jump rope at your seder??? Yes! After the meal, before afikomen & Birkat ha-mazon. Challenge the kids to make up pesach jumping rhymes, e.g., Pharaoh, Pharaoh, Let my people go How many times will you say “no”? 1, 2, 3, 4… As with other Jewish customs, there is a historic basis for the custom and numerous symbolic explanations. Symbolic Reasons: Rope resembles the whips w/ which the Egyptians beat the slaves. We have the last laugh, turning the whip into a plaything. Thrown on the ground, rope resembles Moses’ staff, turned into a snake. Jumping into the turning rope requires courage, like Nachshon stepping into the sea of reeds. Midrash from the Zohar about King David and the frog: King David was strolling in his garden strumming his harp and singing psalms. A frog sitting at the side of the path began to croak along. King David, who could speak the language of animals, but who was very vain, said to the frog, “Frog! I am known as the ‘sweet singer of Zion.’ How dare you CROAK while I am singing?” “King David,” answered the frog. “It is true you are the sweet singer of Zion. But when you sing your psalms, you serve God only with your voice. In Egypt, we frogs served God with our entire bodies. It wasn’t easy to cover the land, invading homes, jumping on Pharaoh’s bed and his head and his toes and his nose. People beat at us with brooms and stomped on us with their feet. But we knew what God wanted of us and we did it.” King David was chastened and invited the frog to sing with him. Now, after we sing Birkat ha-mazon, we continue singing Hallel, psalms of David, serving God with our voices. Is it not appropriate that we also go outside and jump rope and serve God with our entire bodies, as the frogs did in Egypt? [The Zohar story is retold, with MUCH embellishment in Stories of King David by Lillian S. Freehof (JPS, 1952) The contemporary Haggadah in which our family custom appears is A Family Haggadah II by Shoshana Silberman (Kar-Ben Copies, 1997). The idea appears on p. 45, and the acknowledgement is in footnote 15, on p. 63.] Historic Reason: In 1968 there was a lunar eclipse on the night of the seder. (Because Pesach falls on the full moon of the vernal equinox, if there is a lunar eclipse, it must fall on Pesach, unless it is a Jewish leap year, in which case the eclipse falls on Purim.) The seder included 4 boys of BMtz age, give or take a year , and 2 little girls, one of whom had just learned to jump rope. While the adults lingered over coffee, the kids went outside to see the eclipse. When we called them back in at about 11 o’clock, the boys said everyone should come out, the eclipse was at its peak. We did, and found that the little girls had become bored of the moon and were jumping rope. Before we went back inside, everyone either jumped or turned rope for others. We went back inside, finished the Haggadah by midnight, and continued singing for 2 hours. The next morning, everyone who had been at the seder was at shul, and all agreed it had been the best seder ever. What made the difference? Jumping rope! So we’ve been doing it every year since then.
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Posted by Express Rider* on Thu Mar 26 18:38:06 2015, in response to Pesach is about one week away..., posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Mar 26 18:06:41 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d nice story. "we knew what God wanted of us and we did it.” - I hope they were paid way more than minimum. "King David was chastened and invited the frog to sing with him." - wonder if they sang, "I Cover the Waterfront" re: Jews passing through the parted Red sea.
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman* on Thu Mar 26 19:12:36 2015, in response to Pesach is about one week away..., posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Mar 26 18:06:41 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d First Gut Yuntif. Have you ever, or do you have a problem attending a Passover Seder in a non Jewish home?
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Posted by Dave* on Thu Mar 26 19:29:05 2015, in response to Re: Pesach is about one week away..., posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Mar 26 19:12:36 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d Why would there be a seder in a non-Jewish home?
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH* on Thu Mar 26 19:49:26 2015, in response to Re: Pesach is about one week away..., posted by Dave on Thu Mar 26 19:29:05 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d The Kangaroo Court is trying to illicit a response about the seder President Obama holds at the White House.
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH* on Thu Mar 26 19:54:55 2015, in response to Re: Pesach is about one week away..., posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Mar 26 19:12:36 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d Chag kasher v'sameach to you. I have never attended a seder in a non-Jewish home. However, I have been to sedarim where non-Jews have been invited and attended, including in my parents own house. I can't imagine ever being invited to attend a seder in a non-Jewish home. Do you have an issue with a non-Jew hosting a chanukiyah lighting?
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman* on Thu Mar 26 20:06:16 2015, in response to Re: Pesach is about one week away..., posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Mar 26 19:54:55 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d Yes I do. I feel that Seders that are hosted by non Jews, is mocking my faith and heritage. And I have a big problem with the Seder beung hosted at the White House by obama. Or any other occupier of the White House. Especially by obama.
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH* on Thu Mar 26 20:11:11 2015, in response to Re: Pesach is about one week away..., posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Mar 26 20:06:16 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d I think you need thicker skin.
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Posted by chicagomotorman* on Thu Mar 26 20:31:29 2015, in response to Re: Pesach is about one week away..., posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Mar 26 20:11:11 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d Oh really? It's probably because of your thick skin, you can't see the obvious, that obama is the most anti Israel, anti Semetic president in history. And any Jew who dares to attend a so called Passover Seder with the obamas, are self hating Jewish traitors. That so called Seder in the White House is a sham and an insult to my faith and heritage.
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH* on Thu Mar 26 20:39:45 2015, in response to Re: Pesach is about one week away..., posted by chicagomotorman on Thu Mar 26 20:31:29 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d Obama may very well be the most anti-Israel president if he keeps down the path he embarked on last week, but that doesn't necessarily mean his holding a seder in the White House is a mockery of our religion.
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Posted by Stephen Bauman* on Thu Mar 26 20:49:31 2015, in response to Re: Pesach is about one week away..., posted by chicagomotorman on Thu Mar 26 20:31:29 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d obama is the most anti Israel, anti Semetic president in history. Which US President wrote the following: "The Jews, I find are very, very selfish. They care not how many Estonians, Latvians, Finns, Poles, Yugoslavs or Greeks get murdered or mistreated as D[isplaced] P[ersons] as long as the Jews get special treatment. Yet when they have power, physical, financial or political neither Hitler nor Stalin has anything on them for cruelty or mistreatment to the under dog."
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Posted by LuchAAA* on Thu Mar 26 21:01:12 2015, in response to Re: Pesach is about one week away..., posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Mar 26 20:39:45 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d Obama may very well be the most anti-Israel president if he keeps down the path he embarked on last week, but that doesn't necessarily mean his holding a seder in the White House is a mockery of our religion. If Obama reveals himself to be anti-Israel in the last year or so in the White House, then FUCK YOU, because you voted overwhelmingly for him even though you knew about the LA Times roast tape, his wacky church, and the fact that the anti-Israel movement is a left-wing movement and you come up with stupid shit about a tiny percentage of Christians who want the Jews to occupy Israel for the second-coming as if they're the real thread.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Thu Mar 26 21:05:36 2015, in response to Re: Pesach is about one week away..., posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 26 21:01:12 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d If Obama reveals himself to be anti-Israel in the last year or so in the White House What would you call declassifying twenty years of critical information about Israel's nuclear program and military cooperation with the US?
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Posted by LuchAAA* on Thu Mar 26 21:06:41 2015, in response to Re: Pesach is about one week away..., posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 26 21:05:36 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d I call it in the best interest of Israel because Jews overwhelmingly voted for Obama thus supporting the behavior.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Thu Mar 26 21:08:27 2015, in response to Re: Pesach is about one week away..., posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Mar 26 20:06:16 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d I feel that Seders that are hosted by non Jews, is mocking my faith and heritage Why? What about the other eleven tribes of Israel? I feel that Christians have to reject Easter and instead celebrate Passover.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Thu Mar 26 21:09:38 2015, in response to Re: Pesach is about one week away..., posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 26 21:06:41 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d Nice liberal logic. That's exactly what Kerry is thinking, that is until Iran sends a nuclear-tipped ICBM or ten our way.
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Posted by LuchAAA* on Thu Mar 26 21:16:36 2015, in response to Re: Pesach is about one week away..., posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 26 21:09:38 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d you l0se.
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Posted by chicagomotorman* on Thu Mar 26 21:18:48 2015, in response to Re: Pesach is about one week away..., posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Mar 26 20:39:45 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d Wow! You're making progress.
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Posted by chicagomotorman* on Thu Mar 26 21:19:43 2015, in response to Re: Pesach is about one week away..., posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 26 21:01:12 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d Excellent post.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Thu Mar 26 21:21:03 2015, in response to Re: Pesach is about one week away..., posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 26 21:16:36 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d You don't think Iran will do that? Guess again.
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Posted by chicagomotorman* on Thu Mar 26 21:21:48 2015, in response to Re: Pesach is about one week away..., posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 26 21:01:12 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d Excellent post.
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Posted by chicagomotorman* on Thu Mar 26 21:21:49 2015, in response to Re: Pesach is about one week away..., posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Mar 26 20:39:45 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d Wow! You're making progress.
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Posted by chicagomotorman* on Thu Mar 26 21:27:38 2015, in response to Re: Pesach is about one week away..., posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Mar 26 20:39:45 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d Any Jew who voted for obama is disgrace to our people.
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Posted by DanD124* on Thu Mar 26 23:15:25 2015, in response to Re: Pesach is about one week away..., posted by Dave on Thu Mar 26 19:29:05 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d The person hosting it is an ologist Christian.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Thu Mar 26 23:30:19 2015, in response to Re: Pesach is about one week away..., posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Mar 26 20:49:31 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d According to which source? Google turns up a mere six hits for that first sentence, and the closest source to legitimate is the CSM. And action speaks louder than words ultimately.
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Posted by Nilet* on Thu Mar 26 23:35:19 2015, in response to Re: Pesach is about one week away..., posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Mar 26 20:06:16 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d I feel that Seders that are hosted by non Jews, is mocking my faith and heritage. Last year, I'm pretty sure you said the same about most Seders hosted by Jews.
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Posted by Nilet* on Thu Mar 26 23:37:04 2015, in response to Re: Pesach is about one week away..., posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 26 21:05:36 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d What would you call declassifying twenty years of critical information about Israel's nuclear program and military cooperation with the US? Do you think he should have kept it classified?
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Posted by Nilet* on Thu Mar 26 23:37:28 2015, in response to Re: Pesach is about one week away..., posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Mar 26 20:39:45 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d What "anti-Israel" things has Obama supposedly done?
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Posted by Nilet* on Thu Mar 26 23:40:31 2015, in response to Pesach is about one week away..., posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Mar 26 18:06:41 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d I went to a dedicated kosher grocery store today and they didn't have any macaroons (except the gross coconut ones). Did all the almonds magically stop existing? Five years ago, I'm pretty sure every store had proper macaroons nearly a month in advance!
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Posted by Stephen Bauman* on Thu Mar 26 23:54:31 2015, in response to Re: Pesach is about one week away..., posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 26 23:30:19 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d According to which source? His diary, which may be viewed in his own handwriting or a transcription. It's on the web but not on any of the sites you listed.
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Posted by Stephen Bauman* on Fri Mar 27 00:05:50 2015, in response to Pesach is about one week away..., posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Mar 26 18:06:41 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d I came to the conclusion that the Seder is the most hypocritical and sadistic ritual in the Jewish calendar. Forty years of Jewish wandering and suffering are commemorated by having a feast. One starves oneself during the day, knowing he will eat to excess at the Seder dinner. One arrives starved. What happens? One then has to sit through the recitation of half the Hagaddah before one can eat. It takes about an hour. The aroma of the food is wafting from the kitchen during that hour. One's only thought during that hour is hoping to hear dayenu.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Fri Mar 27 00:12:42 2015, in response to Re: Pesach is about one week away..., posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 26 21:08:27 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d They're not Jews are they?
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH* on Fri Mar 27 00:48:31 2015, in response to Re: Pesach is about one week away..., posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Mar 27 00:05:50 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d An hour? My family sedarim usually start at around 7 and we don't eat until 9 or 9:30.
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Posted by Stephen Bauman* on Fri Mar 27 07:25:33 2015, in response to Re: Pesach is about one week away..., posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Mar 27 00:48:31 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d We ran express.
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Posted by Dave* on Fri Mar 27 10:49:50 2015, in response to This Is Getting Ridiculous! (Re: Pesach is about one week away...), posted by Nilet on Thu Mar 26 23:40:31 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d By now cans of the other flavors are probably all sold out.
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Posted by terRAPIN station* on Fri Mar 27 13:08:21 2015, in response to This Is Getting Ridiculous! (Re: Pesach is about one week away...), posted by Nilet on Thu Mar 26 23:40:31 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d You're looking for macaroons that contain absolutely no coconut ingredient?
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Posted by terRAPIN station* on Fri Mar 27 13:09:12 2015, in response to Re: Pesach is about one week away..., posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Mar 27 00:48:31 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d 7 is a wee bit early this year.
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH* on Fri Mar 27 15:06:58 2015, in response to Re: Pesach is about one week away..., posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Mar 27 13:09:12 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d We tell people to come long before we actually want to start, there is no way to start on time otherwise.
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH* on Fri Mar 27 15:07:09 2015, in response to Re: Pesach is about one week away..., posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Mar 27 07:25:33 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d OK, we take the local.
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Posted by terRAPIN station* on Fri Mar 27 15:17:04 2015, in response to Re: Pesach is about one week away..., posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Mar 27 15:06:58 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d Well then your 7 to 9:30 length isn't quite honest.
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH* on Fri Mar 27 15:30:17 2015, in response to Re: Pesach is about one week away..., posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Mar 27 15:17:04 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d 7:30 to 9 or 9:30 then maybe. It really depends on the year. And we don't go strictly by zmanim, otherwise we might be there until 3 AM.
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Posted by Nilet* on Fri Mar 27 17:46:19 2015, in response to Re: This Is Getting Ridiculous! (Re: Pesach is about one week away...), posted by Dave on Fri Mar 27 10:49:50 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d For what it's worth— I've never seen non-coconut macaroons in cans, but in previous years most every store had boxes of them in stock until well after Passover.
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Posted by Nilet* on Fri Mar 27 17:46:32 2015, in response to Re: This Is Getting Ridiculous! (Re: Pesach is about one week away...), posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Mar 27 13:08:21 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d Yep. I hate coconut.
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH* on Fri Mar 27 17:58:49 2015, in response to Re: This Is Getting Ridiculous! (Re: Pesach is about one week away...), posted by Nilet on Fri Mar 27 17:46:19 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d Order them online.
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Posted by Stephen Bauman* on Fri Mar 27 18:35:12 2015, in response to Re: This Is Getting Ridiculous! (Re: Pesach is about one week away...), posted by Nilet on Fri Mar 27 17:46:19 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d Let me speculate as to what is happening. All domestic almonds are grown in California. Almonds require a lot of irrigation. There's been an extended drought and irrigation water use has been drastically cut. This has caused the almond output to tumble and the price of domestic almonds to rise. The major source of imported almonds is Iran. The trade embargo means that Iranian almonds are not leaving Iran. The consequence is that many merchants felt the price of almond macaroons would be so high that people would not buy them. If you really need an almond fix and are willing to consume almonds that have not been blessed by some Rabbi, try marzipan at an Italian pastry shop. It's so sweet that only a little can be consumed at one sitting. You can feel your tooth enamel dissolving with each bite.
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Posted by Nilet* on Fri Mar 27 18:41:13 2015, in response to Re: This Is Getting Ridiculous! (Re: Pesach is about one week away...), posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Mar 27 18:35:12 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d Ah, that may well be it. :( On the plus side, my mother usually sends me macaroons in a box so at least I'll have those.
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Fri Mar 27 18:45:44 2015, in response to Re: This Is Getting Ridiculous! (Re: Pesach is about one week away...), posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Mar 27 18:35:12 2015. fiogf49gjkf0d What rabbi blesses almonds?
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Posted by Nilet* on Fri Mar 27 18:46:17 2015, in response to Re: This Is Getting Ridiculous! (Re: Pesach is about one week away...), posted by TerrApin Station on Fri Mar 27 18:45:44 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d Where do kosher-certified almonds come from?
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Posted by TerrApin Station* on Fri Mar 27 18:46:29 2015, in response to Re: This Is Getting Ridiculous! (Re: Pesach is about one week away...), posted by Nilet on Fri Mar 27 17:46:32 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d Can you show me an example of such a mass market kosher for passover product?
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Posted by TerrApin Station* on Fri Mar 27 18:51:39 2015, in response to Re: This Is Getting Ridiculous! (Re: Pesach is about one week away...), posted by Nilet on Fri Mar 27 18:46:17 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d Plenty of places probably. Why does it matter and what does that have to do with anything?
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