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Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu Mar 26 03:40:56 2015, in response to Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Mar 25 17:08:42 2015.

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What To Do If You Don't Want To Be Drafted
These are your options if you don't want to be drafted:

Don't register.
Don't tell Selective Service your new address when you move.
Get lucky in the draft lottery.
Don't show up for induction.
Show up and flunk the physical.
Show up and refuse induction.
Convince the draft board that you're a conscientious objector, and do alternative service.
Convince the draft board that you qualify for some other deferment (most people don't).
Leave the country, or hide, for the rest of your life.
Organize now against the draft

The surest way not to be drafted is to prevent the draft entirely. This leaflet explains how you can help protect yourself from the draft by joining in the resistance to the draft and wars.
Slave Labor Is Illegal. Resist Draft Registration.
Will There Be A Draft?

With the U.S. at war in Iraq and Afghanistan, recruiters won't be able to meet their quotas forever. With American soldiers dying every day in foreign wars and occupations, people don't want to enlist no matter how desperate they are for a job. Even if the fighting stops soon, U.S. troops will probably stay in Afghanistan, Iraq, and the Gulf for years. If Army recruits have to spend a year sitting in the desert in a hostile country, who's going to volunteer next year ... or the year after? Members of Congress are already talking about bringing back the draft -- but they're afraid of draft resistance.
Who Will Be Drafted?

The first people to get drafted will probably be doctors, nurses, and other health care workers (both men and women). The military was short of health care workers even before the current wars began, and as the bodies pile up Congress may authorize a "Doctor Draft" of medical professionals. Selective Service has contingency plans for a Health Care Personnel Delivery System to draft men and women ages 20 through 44 who are doctors, nurses, technicians, therapists, or other medical professionals. (One way for such people not to be drafted -- unless they are also young men eligible for the general draft -- is to give up their medical or professional licenses. But they'll have to do it before they are drafted. Unless you're already thinking about a career change, that's not much of a choice.) For more on the health workers draft, see www.MedicalDraft.info.

If there is a draft for cannon fodder, men who registered for the draft (if you didn't register, you won't be drafted) and who turn 20 this year would be called up first. In 2012, men born in 1992 would be drafted first. It would be up to Congress, when it decides to reinstate authority for inductions, to decide whether or not to include women.

If you get drafted, you'll get a letter giving you ten days to report for a pre-induction medical exam. If you show up, pass the physical, and submit to induction, they'll put you on a bus to basic training the same day.
What Will Happen To Me?

We can't give you any guarantees. There is a lot you can do to keep from being drafted, but luck plays a big role. The government can always violate its own policies or invent new ones. You have to weigh the uncertain legal risks of resisting the draft, against the very clear hazards of submitting to the draft -- the choices aren't easy.

If the Vietnam War draft is a guide, the odds favor people who resist. Most of the people who resisted illegally -- especially those who never registered -- were never caught. They weren't drafted, they didn't go to prison, and they were never even charged in court. Even of the 210,000 men who were formally accused of violating the draft laws, only 4,000 went to prison. Another 5,000 got probation, and 41,000 avoided prosecution by submitting to induction. The rest -- more than 75% -- were either never caught, never went to trial, won in court, or flunked their induction physicals!
What If I Didn't Register?

You're not alone. Over a million men have refused to register since 1980, and millions more have violated the draft laws in other ways. Only 20 nonregistrants were prosecuted, none since 1986! Between 5-10% of the 19 and 20-year-olds who would be called first have never registered, according to government data. Most of them will never be caught, even if there's a draft.

If you decide to resist registration or induction, you'll probably get warning letters from Selective Service. These letters are usually junk mail, and you are unlikely to be prosecuted for ignoring them. In 2004, for example, the SS forwarded 162,000 names and addresses of suspected nonregistrants to the Justice Department. None of them were investigated or prosecuted. It's been like that every year since 1986.

The dangerous letters are Certified or Registered letters (letters you have to sign for). Don't sign for any letter from Selective Service or the Justice Department. Your signature is evidence that you know you are supposed to register or appear for induction. Refuse to accept the letter, and see a draft counselor or lawyer immediately.

Even if you are caught, there's a good chance you won't be prosecuted. The courts are already overwhelmed by the war on drugs; the government could only afford to prosecute a few token or outspoken draft resisters.

Most people who are caught will be able to avoid prosecution by registering and submitting to the draft. Even the vocal public nonregistrants prosecuted in the early 1980s were allowed to register without penalty up until the day they went on trial.

Some will choose to go to trial, and a few may not get that "last chance" to register. A criminal record is no laughing matter, but many draft resisters imprisoned during the Vietnam War, as well as some of the 20 nonregistrants prosecuted in the early 1980s, now hold professional jobs in business, in academia, and with non-governmental organizations. Most are proud of what they did and would do it again. Besides, is life in a minimum-security prison any worse than life in the Army? Some of us who have been there think not.
But What If I Already Registered?

If Selective Service doesn't know where you live, they might never find you. They admit their computers have the wrong addresses for about 10% of the men who registered, and the real figure is probably a lot higher -- 50% or more. So, again, you're not alone. If you don't tell Selective Service where you live, or if you ignore an induction notice, the same legal risks we talked about for nonregistrants would apply. In order to prosecute you, they would have to prove that you actually knew you were breaking the law. That will be very difficult without proof that you got their notices. So if they finally found you, you could probably avoid prosecution by submitting to the draft at that point.

You should think about what you want your parents (or whoever lives at the address you gave when you registered) to do if the government comes looking for you. If you want to resist the draft and your parents support you, they can help by sending back, unopened, any mail for you from Selective Service. You can help yourself by doing the same thing.

It's a crime to lie to Selective Service or the FBI, but you have the right to remain silent. When they say, "Anything you say will be used against you," they mean it. Your family doesn't have to accept mail for you, or tell the Feds where you live or anything else about you.
What If I Refuse To Go?

If you ignore your induction notice, and they find you, you'll almost certainly be given another chance to cooperate. Selective Services records are so inaccurate that tens of thousands of people will never receive their induction notices. Selective Service will probably assume you're one of them.

If you get a draft notice, show up, and refuse induction, you'll probably be prosecuted. However, some people will slip through the cracks in the system, and some will win in court.

If you show up and take the physical, there's a good chance that you'll flunk. (If you have a medical problem that would make it hard for you to be a soldier, you should see a draft counselor and a doctor now and get documentation of your condition.) But if you pass, you'll really be stuck. Those who get that far and then refuse induction will be much easier to find and convict than those who don't show up at all.

If you pass the physical and then don't want to go, tell the soldiers who are ordering you around that you are refusing to be inducted. Remember: once you submit to induction, you'll be under military law, which is much harsher than civilian law. Don't take that step.
Can I Go To Canada?

Maybe, but you can't count on it. So far, Canada has refused to grant sanctuary to U.S. military resisters. Like other countries, Canada has its own unemployment and economic problems, and doesn't welcome unskilled young Americans. If your asylum claim is denied, and you don't meet the qualifications for Canadian immigration, you'd be deported back to the U.S. Health care workers might be more welcome, though licensing might present a problem. workers might be more welcome, though licensing might present a problem.

If you have or can get citizenship in another country, if you're familiar with the language and culture, if you think you'd like to live there for the rest of your life, and if you have resources to get there and establish yourself, then emigration might make sense. If you leave the U.S. after you get an induction notice, you risk prosecution if you ever come back.
What About Deferments?

To get a deferment you must register, notify Selective Service whenever you move, and then apply for a deferment within a few days of receiving your induction notice. By applying for a deferment, you admit you received the induction notice, which will make it harder to wean in court if you later decide to refuse induction.

If you're opposed to all war you might qualify as a conscientious objector, although you'd still have to do alternative service. There are several other deferments, but very few people will qualify for them. (Students are not exempt from the draft or likely to be deferred.) If you plan to try for a deferment, you should talk to a draft counselor now. Once draft notices go out, there won't be enough time or enough draft counselors.
Why Break The Law?

People resist the draft for many reasons. If you're healthy and can't qualify as a conscientious objector, breaking the law is probably the only way you can avoid being drafted.

The most useful thing you can do today to keep from being drafted is to organize against the draft! Members of Congress are worried about the domestic unrest a draft will provoke -- and if the price looks too high, they won't dare try to draft you or anybody else.
If enough of us resist now, no one will be drafted.
www.resisters.info

[This page and more, including printable versions of this and related leaflets in PDF format, are at http://www.resisters.info. This Web site is published by Edward Hasbrouck, individually and not on behalf of any organization including any of the organizations linked to. I have drawn on contributions over many years by many other people, and I do not claim copyright in this Web site, but I take full personal responsibility for it.]

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Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;

Posted by Nilet on Thu Mar 26 03:41:34 2015, in response to Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Mar 26 03:39:12 2015.

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If I did, you would have shown me by now.

Why should I bother? You'd just stick your fingers in your ears and scream: "NUH-UH!"

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Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Mar 26 03:42:53 2015, in response to Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;, posted by Nilet on Thu Mar 26 03:41:34 2015.

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Just as I thought.

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Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;

Posted by Nilet on Thu Mar 26 03:43:13 2015, in response to Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Mar 26 03:35:38 2015.

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*condescending headpat* Good luck!

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Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;

Posted by Nilet on Thu Mar 26 03:45:13 2015, in response to Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Mar 26 03:35:09 2015.

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I asked you the SAME type of questions that you asked me.

And I answered them.

I'm white, so I have white privilege. That much is obvious.

The segregation question was asked and amswered already.

Were you in one of the Israel threads last year? The trick of dodging a question repeatedly and then suddenly claiming you'd already answered it was very popular there.

That said, you haven't answered.

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Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Mar 26 03:45:28 2015, in response to Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;, posted by Nilet on Thu Mar 26 03:43:13 2015.

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Are you doing that to yourself?

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Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;

Posted by Nilet on Thu Mar 26 03:48:26 2015, in response to Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Mar 26 03:38:04 2015.

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But you don't have 100% European ancestry— your parents and paternal grandparents were American, it would seem, and if you go further back you'll find all manner of other foreign ancestry as well.

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Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;

Posted by Nilet on Thu Mar 26 03:48:55 2015, in response to Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Mar 26 03:42:53 2015.

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Exactly. You have a long history of doing exactly that.

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Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;

Posted by Nilet on Thu Mar 26 03:49:55 2015, in response to Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Mar 26 03:45:28 2015.

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Click where it says "...in response to..." above the post and keep clicking until you find my post. The click once more to see who it was directed towards.

I'm sure you can figure it out.

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Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Mar 26 03:55:00 2015, in response to Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;, posted by Nilet on Thu Mar 26 03:49:55 2015.

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Pw3nt!

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Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;

Posted by Nilet on Thu Mar 26 03:56:13 2015, in response to Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Mar 26 03:55:00 2015.

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Yes, you were.

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Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Mar 26 03:58:17 2015, in response to Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;, posted by Nilet on Thu Mar 26 03:48:26 2015.

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I'm sure you'll have to go back at least 800 years or so. BTW, I took part in a DNA test and no other DNA was found other than European.

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Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Mar 26 03:59:20 2015, in response to Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;, posted by Nilet on Thu Mar 26 03:48:55 2015.

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And YOU have a longer history of ducking questions.

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Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;

Posted by Nilet on Thu Mar 26 04:02:29 2015, in response to Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Mar 26 03:58:17 2015.

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I'm sure you'll have to go back at least 800 years or so.

So your parents were born in Europe?

BTW, I took part in a DNA test and no other DNA was found other than European.

Now I know you're lying. DNA isn't colour-coded by continent— there's no such thing as "European DNA."

The closest you can get is to look for specific markers of specific mutations, and that's just a statistical trend not definitive for an individual.

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Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;

Posted by Nilet on Thu Mar 26 04:02:46 2015, in response to Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Mar 26 03:59:20 2015.

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I haven't dodged a single question.

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Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Mar 26 04:03:55 2015, in response to Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;, posted by Nilet on Thu Mar 26 04:02:29 2015.

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Can you NOT comprehend what I'm writing?

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Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Mar 26 04:04:42 2015, in response to Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;, posted by Nilet on Thu Mar 26 04:02:46 2015.

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Correct. You've dodged ALL of them.

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Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;

Posted by Nilet on Thu Mar 26 04:05:26 2015, in response to Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Mar 26 04:03:55 2015.

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Oh I can comprehend it— it's just not very coherent.

First you claimed "white" meant 100% European ancestry. Then you claimed you are white but don't have 100% European ancestry. Then you made up some "genetic test" you didn't take and prayed that I wouldn't notice the lie.

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Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;

Posted by Nilet on Thu Mar 26 04:06:04 2015, in response to Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Mar 26 04:04:42 2015.

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I have dodged precisely zero questions. The number of questions I have dodged is equal to zero. Do you need this any blunter?

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Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;

Posted by Nilet on Thu Mar 26 04:06:40 2015, in response to Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Mar 26 03:36:51 2015.

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You're not very big on internal consistency, are you?

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Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Mar 26 04:23:01 2015, in response to Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;, posted by Nilet on Thu Mar 26 04:06:04 2015.

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Yes.

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Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Mar 26 04:31:04 2015, in response to Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;, posted by Nilet on Thu Mar 26 04:05:26 2015.

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When did I EVER claim that I don't have 100% European ancestry? I took the National Geographic DNA Project test about 10 years ago. So, how is that a lie?

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Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Mar 26 04:31:21 2015, in response to Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;, posted by Nilet on Thu Mar 26 04:06:40 2015.

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I guess!

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Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 26 04:33:19 2015, in response to Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Mar 26 04:31:04 2015.

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This is all you need to know about this guy.

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Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;

Posted by Nilet on Thu Mar 26 04:49:56 2015, in response to Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Mar 26 04:23:01 2015.

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OK, name one question I've dodged.

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Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;

Posted by Nilet on Thu Mar 26 04:52:39 2015, in response to Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Mar 26 04:31:04 2015.

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When did I EVER claim that I don't have 100% European ancestry?

Right here.

I took the National Geographic DNA Project test about 10 years ago. So, how is that a lie?

It's a lie because your claim that you have 100% European ancestry is inconsistent with what DNA tests are capable of providing and inconsistent with the facts of human history and evolution.

You came out of Africa same as the rest of us, buddy.

So were your parents born in Europe? You didn't say.

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Re: Questions Olog Can't Answer

Posted by Nilet on Thu Mar 26 04:54:23 2015, in response to Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 26 04:33:19 2015.

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Here's the list of questions Olog can't answer without revealing his complete intellectual and moral bankruptcy:

1. Define "liberal."
     a. Define "Marxist."
     b. Define "collectivist."
     c. Define "national-socialist."
     d. Define "antisemitic."

2. Define "conservative."

3. Define "weather."

4. Define "climate."

5. When did the trait of skin with limited pigmentation first appear in the Americas and why did it appear at that time?

6. Describe exactly what form of government you would endorse. In more detail than "small." As in, name a few government programs and/or activities that you support.

7. What do customer service associates have to do with Godwin?

8. Do you support gay marriage?

9. On what basis do you claim I'm a Nazi?

10. Name three people you believe are not liberal.

11. Where did I express antisemitism or Naziism?

12. How does an income tax attack free enterprise?

13. Where have I, quote, "proven myself a psycho" in any past post?

14. How is it antisemitic that I personally chose not to observe Passover?

15. What does antisemitism have to do with the equipment America's military issues its soldiers?

16. Do you support or oppose the persecution of Edward Snowden? Do you think he's a traitor or a hero?

17. Do you favour open borders?

18. On what basis do you believe the Society of Professional Journalists is liberal?

19. On what basis do you believe that Barack Obama is liberal?

20. How would health care be cheaper if the government stopped paying for it?

21. What's wrong with the ad Wendy Davis ran?

22. What did Stalin do that was in any way liberal? Note that you may only name things he did, not lies he told in his propaganda.

23. Name one of my "godless liberal political idols."

24. Do you favour a feudal system where most political power is wielded by a hereditary monarch but some influence is held by a small class of hereditary aristocrats?

25. Do you support the creation of an official state religion?

26. Exactly how is this article antisemitic?

27. Define "antisemitism."

28. So who do you think built the roads and the public schools? Who do you think makes sure the air and water are relatively unpolluted? Who do you think keeps the trains running?

29. Where have I called the CDC "pseudoscience?"

30. So what is your proposed plan for removing non-Jews from Judea, Samaria, and Gaza without causing the deaths of many of them?

31. What's so threatening about saying: "If you don't vote, people will know that you didn't vote?"

32. How is it "anti-First Amendment" to criticise the Salvation Army?

33. Where have left-wing policies have caused misery, totalitarianism, and genocide?

34. Do you post on Free Republic under the same handle as on SubChat?

35. How does offering to help someone make a living will constitute a "death panel?"

36. How are Iraqi children "murderers?"

37. In what way is this statement bigoted?

Several years since the list began, and Olog continues to dodge the questions. Every time I mention them, he runs whimpering in the other direction.

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Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;

Posted by Nilet on Thu Mar 26 04:54:38 2015, in response to Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Mar 26 04:31:21 2015.

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Thanks for admitting it.

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Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;

Posted by SMAZ on Thu Mar 26 07:16:21 2015, in response to Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;, posted by Nilet on Wed Mar 25 22:04:42 2015.

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so fundamental it didn't even go into the Constitution because no one assumed it needed to be spelled out.

Article I - Section 8

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

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Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;

Posted by SMAZ on Thu Mar 26 07:19:54 2015, in response to Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;, posted by Dave on Wed Mar 25 18:20:52 2015.

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Then you should have been jailed.

He should have shit in pants on purpose like Ted Nugent.

Then he would have became a conservative hero.

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Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;

Posted by Dave on Thu Mar 26 07:20:54 2015, in response to Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Mar 25 23:05:17 2015.

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You truly are too stupid to live.

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Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;

Posted by Dave on Thu Mar 26 07:24:53 2015, in response to Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;, posted by Nilet on Wed Mar 25 22:26:41 2015.

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Less than a man is a child. A child is someone who doesn't live up to a man's responsibilities. Someone who sucks the government teat and then whines when he doesn't get his own way, blaming everyone but himself for his shortcomings.

Look in the mirror, Troll.

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Posted by Dave on Thu Mar 26 07:26:28 2015, in response to Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;, posted by SMAZ on Thu Mar 26 07:16:21 2015.

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He's sad, our resident Troll. Thinks he knows so much but displays his ignorance every time he posts.

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Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;

Posted by Dave on Thu Mar 26 07:28:20 2015, in response to Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Mar 25 23:34:21 2015.

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First he's interested in my ass and now he's interested in babies.

Wow. What a sicko!

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Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;

Posted by Dave on Thu Mar 26 07:35:03 2015, in response to Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;, posted by Nilet on Thu Mar 26 01:24:51 2015.

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Funny thing, facts.


Hamas calls Egypt blockade a 'crime against humanity'

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Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;

Posted by Dave on Thu Mar 26 07:39:56 2015, in response to Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;, posted by Bingbong on Wed Mar 25 22:45:44 2015.

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WABB!

Unlike our resident draft-dodger Salaam, Cheney registered for the draft in 1962 and was classified as 1-A. He received 5 deferments, four for being a student and one as a new father.

It just tickles me that one of the few times you post, you are wrong again!

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Posted by Dave on Thu Mar 26 07:41:59 2015, in response to Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;, posted by SMAZ on Thu Mar 26 07:19:54 2015.

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LOL! Well said.

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Posted by Bingbong on Thu Mar 26 10:30:12 2015, in response to Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;, posted by Dave on Thu Mar 26 07:39:56 2015.

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All done specifically to avoid being drafted, per Cheney himself. Legal or not, it's still draft dodging by his own admission.

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Posted by mtk52983 on Thu Mar 26 10:40:52 2015, in response to Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;, posted by Bingbong on Thu Mar 26 10:30:12 2015.

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Cheney dodged the draft by legal, albeit shady, means. Salaam Allah dodged the draft by doing something illegal

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Posted by AlM on Thu Mar 26 10:47:59 2015, in response to Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;, posted by mtk52983 on Thu Mar 26 10:40:52 2015.

fiogf49gjkf0d
What was shady about Cheney's draft dodging?

I agree that he deserves the description "chickenhawk" for being so willing to send US forces into battle when he was so unwilling to send himself into battle. But I don't see what was inappropriate about his actual requested deferments.

In before Olog says I am only posting this so I can claim to have said one non-negative thing about Cheney in my whole SubChat posting career. :)

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Posted by mtk52983 on Thu Mar 26 10:53:42 2015, in response to Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;, posted by AlM on Thu Mar 26 10:47:59 2015.

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What was "shady" was how the government handled deferment requests from well connected individuals

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Posted by AlM on Thu Mar 26 10:56:48 2015, in response to Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;, posted by mtk52983 on Thu Mar 26 10:53:42 2015.

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Did he get student deferments that were not available to other similarly situated students with lesser connections? I wasn't aware of that. If so, I would concur with the word "shady."



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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu Mar 26 11:52:59 2015, in response to Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;, posted by mtk52983 on Thu Mar 26 10:40:52 2015.

fiogf49gjkf0d
What To Do If You Don't Want To Be Drafted
These are your options if you don't want to be drafted:

Don't register.
Don't tell Selective Service your new address when you move.
Get lucky in the draft lottery.
Don't show up for induction.
Show up and flunk the physical.
Show up and refuse induction.
Convince the draft board that you're a conscientious objector, and do alternative service.
Convince the draft board that you qualify for some other deferment (most people don't).
Leave the country, or hide, for the rest of your life.
Organize now against the draft

The surest way not to be drafted is to prevent the draft entirely. This leaflet explains how you can help protect yourself from the draft by joining in the resistance to the draft and wars.
Slave Labor Is Illegal. Resist Draft Registration.
Will There Be A Draft?

With the U.S. at war in Iraq and Afghanistan, recruiters won't be able to meet their quotas forever. With American soldiers dying every day in foreign wars and occupations, people don't want to enlist no matter how desperate they are for a job. Even if the fighting stops soon, U.S. troops will probably stay in Afghanistan, Iraq, and the Gulf for years. If Army recruits have to spend a year sitting in the desert in a hostile country, who's going to volunteer next year ... or the year after? Members of Congress are already talking about bringing back the draft -- but they're afraid of draft resistance.
Who Will Be Drafted?

The first people to get drafted will probably be doctors, nurses, and other health care workers (both men and women). The military was short of health care workers even before the current wars began, and as the bodies pile up Congress may authorize a "Doctor Draft" of medical professionals. Selective Service has contingency plans for a Health Care Personnel Delivery System to draft men and women ages 20 through 44 who are doctors, nurses, technicians, therapists, or other medical professionals. (One way for such people not to be drafted -- unless they are also young men eligible for the general draft -- is to give up their medical or professional licenses. But they'll have to do it before they are drafted. Unless you're already thinking about a career change, that's not much of a choice.) For more on the health workers draft, see www.MedicalDraft.info.

If there is a draft for cannon fodder, men who registered for the draft (if you didn't register, you won't be drafted) and who turn 20 this year would be called up first. In 2012, men born in 1992 would be drafted first. It would be up to Congress, when it decides to reinstate authority for inductions, to decide whether or not to include women.

If you get drafted, you'll get a letter giving you ten days to report for a pre-induction medical exam. If you show up, pass the physical, and submit to induction, they'll put you on a bus to basic training the same day.
What Will Happen To Me?

We can't give you any guarantees. There is a lot you can do to keep from being drafted, but luck plays a big role. The government can always violate its own policies or invent new ones. You have to weigh the uncertain legal risks of resisting the draft, against the very clear hazards of submitting to the draft -- the choices aren't easy.

If the Vietnam War draft is a guide, the odds favor people who resist. Most of the people who resisted illegally -- especially those who never registered -- were never caught. They weren't drafted, they didn't go to prison, and they were never even charged in court. Even of the 210,000 men who were formally accused of violating the draft laws, only 4,000 went to prison. Another 5,000 got probation, and 41,000 avoided prosecution by submitting to induction. The rest -- more than 75% -- were either never caught, never went to trial, won in court, or flunked their induction physicals!
What If I Didn't Register?

You're not alone. Over a million men have refused to register since 1980, and millions more have violated the draft laws in other ways. Only 20 nonregistrants were prosecuted, none since 1986! Between 5-10% of the 19 and 20-year-olds who would be called first have never registered, according to government data. Most of them will never be caught, even if there's a draft.

If you decide to resist registration or induction, you'll probably get warning letters from Selective Service. These letters are usually junk mail, and you are unlikely to be prosecuted for ignoring them. In 2004, for example, the SS forwarded 162,000 names and addresses of suspected nonregistrants to the Justice Department. None of them were investigated or prosecuted. It's been like that every year since 1986.

The dangerous letters are Certified or Registered letters (letters you have to sign for). Don't sign for any letter from Selective Service or the Justice Department. Your signature is evidence that you know you are supposed to register or appear for induction. Refuse to accept the letter, and see a draft counselor or lawyer immediately.

Even if you are caught, there's a good chance you won't be prosecuted. The courts are already overwhelmed by the war on drugs; the government could only afford to prosecute a few token or outspoken draft resisters.

Most people who are caught will be able to avoid prosecution by registering and submitting to the draft. Even the vocal public nonregistrants prosecuted in the early 1980s were allowed to register without penalty up until the day they went on trial.

Some will choose to go to trial, and a few may not get that "last chance" to register. A criminal record is no laughing matter, but many draft resisters imprisoned during the Vietnam War, as well as some of the 20 nonregistrants prosecuted in the early 1980s, now hold professional jobs in business, in academia, and with non-governmental organizations. Most are proud of what they did and would do it again. Besides, is life in a minimum-security prison any worse than life in the Army? Some of us who have been there think not.
But What If I Already Registered?

If Selective Service doesn't know where you live, they might never find you. They admit their computers have the wrong addresses for about 10% of the men who registered, and the real figure is probably a lot higher -- 50% or more. So, again, you're not alone. If you don't tell Selective Service where you live, or if you ignore an induction notice, the same legal risks we talked about for nonregistrants would apply. In order to prosecute you, they would have to prove that you actually knew you were breaking the law. That will be very difficult without proof that you got their notices. So if they finally found you, you could probably avoid prosecution by submitting to the draft at that point.

You should think about what you want your parents (or whoever lives at the address you gave when you registered) to do if the government comes looking for you. If you want to resist the draft and your parents support you, they can help by sending back, unopened, any mail for you from Selective Service. You can help yourself by doing the same thing.

It's a crime to lie to Selective Service or the FBI, but you have the right to remain silent. When they say, "Anything you say will be used against you," they mean it. Your family doesn't have to accept mail for you, or tell the Feds where you live or anything else about you.
What If I Refuse To Go?

If you ignore your induction notice, and they find you, you'll almost certainly be given another chance to cooperate. Selective Services records are so inaccurate that tens of thousands of people will never receive their induction notices. Selective Service will probably assume you're one of them.

If you get a draft notice, show up, and refuse induction, you'll probably be prosecuted. However, some people will slip through the cracks in the system, and some will win in court.

If you show up and take the physical, there's a good chance that you'll flunk. (If you have a medical problem that would make it hard for you to be a soldier, you should see a draft counselor and a doctor now and get documentation of your condition.) But if you pass, you'll really be stuck. Those who get that far and then refuse induction will be much easier to find and convict than those who don't show up at all.

If you pass the physical and then don't want to go, tell the soldiers who are ordering you around that you are refusing to be inducted. Remember: once you submit to induction, you'll be under military law, which is much harsher than civilian law. Don't take that step.
Can I Go To Canada?

Maybe, but you can't count on it. So far, Canada has refused to grant sanctuary to U.S. military resisters. Like other countries, Canada has its own unemployment and economic problems, and doesn't welcome unskilled young Americans. If your asylum claim is denied, and you don't meet the qualifications for Canadian immigration, you'd be deported back to the U.S. Health care workers might be more welcome, though licensing might present a problem. workers might be more welcome, though licensing might present a problem.

If you have or can get citizenship in another country, if you're familiar with the language and culture, if you think you'd like to live there for the rest of your life, and if you have resources to get there and establish yourself, then emigration might make sense. If you leave the U.S. after you get an induction notice, you risk prosecution if you ever come back.
What About Deferments?

To get a deferment you must register, notify Selective Service whenever you move, and then apply for a deferment within a few days of receiving your induction notice. By applying for a deferment, you admit you received the induction notice, which will make it harder to wean in court if you later decide to refuse induction.

If you're opposed to all war you might qualify as a conscientious objector, although you'd still have to do alternative service. There are several other deferments, but very few people will qualify for them. (Students are not exempt from the draft or likely to be deferred.) If you plan to try for a deferment, you should talk to a draft counselor now. Once draft notices go out, there won't be enough time or enough draft counselors.
Why Break The Law?

People resist the draft for many reasons. If you're healthy and can't qualify as a conscientious objector, breaking the law is probably the only way you can avoid being drafted.

The most useful thing you can do today to keep from being drafted is to organize against the draft! Members of Congress are worried about the domestic unrest a draft will provoke -- and if the price looks too high, they won't dare try to draft you or anybody else.
If enough of us resist now, no one will be drafted.
www.resisters.info

[This page and more, including printable versions of this and related leaflets in PDF format, are at http://www.resisters.info. This Web site is published by Edward Hasbrouck, individually and not on behalf of any organization including any of the organizations linked to. I have drawn on contributions over many years by many other people, and I do not claim copyright in this Web site, but I take full personal responsibility for it.]

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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu Mar 26 11:54:53 2015, in response to Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;, posted by Dave on Wed Mar 25 18:20:52 2015.

fiogf49gjkf0d
What To Do If You Don't Want To Be Drafted
These are your options if you don't want to be drafted:

Don't register.
Don't tell Selective Service your new address when you move.
Get lucky in the draft lottery.
Don't show up for induction.
Show up and flunk the physical.
Show up and refuse induction.
Convince the draft board that you're a conscientious objector, and do alternative service.
Convince the draft board that you qualify for some other deferment (most people don't).
Leave the country, or hide, for the rest of your life.
Organize now against the draft

The surest way not to be drafted is to prevent the draft entirely. This leaflet explains how you can help protect yourself from the draft by joining in the resistance to the draft and wars.
Slave Labor Is Illegal. Resist Draft Registration.
Will There Be A Draft?

With the U.S. at war in Iraq and Afghanistan, recruiters won't be able to meet their quotas forever. With American soldiers dying every day in foreign wars and occupations, people don't want to enlist no matter how desperate they are for a job. Even if the fighting stops soon, U.S. troops will probably stay in Afghanistan, Iraq, and the Gulf for years. If Army recruits have to spend a year sitting in the desert in a hostile country, who's going to volunteer next year ... or the year after? Members of Congress are already talking about bringing back the draft -- but they're afraid of draft resistance.
Who Will Be Drafted?

The first people to get drafted will probably be doctors, nurses, and other health care workers (both men and women). The military was short of health care workers even before the current wars began, and as the bodies pile up Congress may authorize a "Doctor Draft" of medical professionals. Selective Service has contingency plans for a Health Care Personnel Delivery System to draft men and women ages 20 through 44 who are doctors, nurses, technicians, therapists, or other medical professionals. (One way for such people not to be drafted -- unless they are also young men eligible for the general draft -- is to give up their medical or professional licenses. But they'll have to do it before they are drafted. Unless you're already thinking about a career change, that's not much of a choice.) For more on the health workers draft, see www.MedicalDraft.info.

If there is a draft for cannon fodder, men who registered for the draft (if you didn't register, you won't be drafted) and who turn 20 this year would be called up first. In 2012, men born in 1992 would be drafted first. It would be up to Congress, when it decides to reinstate authority for inductions, to decide whether or not to include women.

If you get drafted, you'll get a letter giving you ten days to report for a pre-induction medical exam. If you show up, pass the physical, and submit to induction, they'll put you on a bus to basic training the same day.
What Will Happen To Me?

We can't give you any guarantees. There is a lot you can do to keep from being drafted, but luck plays a big role. The government can always violate its own policies or invent new ones. You have to weigh the uncertain legal risks of resisting the draft, against the very clear hazards of submitting to the draft -- the choices aren't easy.

If the Vietnam War draft is a guide, the odds favor people who resist. Most of the people who resisted illegally -- especially those who never registered -- were never caught. They weren't drafted, they didn't go to prison, and they were never even charged in court. Even of the 210,000 men who were formally accused of violating the draft laws, only 4,000 went to prison. Another 5,000 got probation, and 41,000 avoided prosecution by submitting to induction. The rest -- more than 75% -- were either never caught, never went to trial, won in court, or flunked their induction physicals!
What If I Didn't Register?

You're not alone. Over a million men have refused to register since 1980, and millions more have violated the draft laws in other ways. Only 20 nonregistrants were prosecuted, none since 1986! Between 5-10% of the 19 and 20-year-olds who would be called first have never registered, according to government data. Most of them will never be caught, even if there's a draft.

If you decide to resist registration or induction, you'll probably get warning letters from Selective Service. These letters are usually junk mail, and you are unlikely to be prosecuted for ignoring them. In 2004, for example, the SS forwarded 162,000 names and addresses of suspected nonregistrants to the Justice Department. None of them were investigated or prosecuted. It's been like that every year since 1986.

The dangerous letters are Certified or Registered letters (letters you have to sign for). Don't sign for any letter from Selective Service or the Justice Department. Your signature is evidence that you know you are supposed to register or appear for induction. Refuse to accept the letter, and see a draft counselor or lawyer immediately.

Even if you are caught, there's a good chance you won't be prosecuted. The courts are already overwhelmed by the war on drugs; the government could only afford to prosecute a few token or outspoken draft resisters.

Most people who are caught will be able to avoid prosecution by registering and submitting to the draft. Even the vocal public nonregistrants prosecuted in the early 1980s were allowed to register without penalty up until the day they went on trial.

Some will choose to go to trial, and a few may not get that "last chance" to register. A criminal record is no laughing matter, but many draft resisters imprisoned during the Vietnam War, as well as some of the 20 nonregistrants prosecuted in the early 1980s, now hold professional jobs in business, in academia, and with non-governmental organizations. Most are proud of what they did and would do it again. Besides, is life in a minimum-security prison any worse than life in the Army? Some of us who have been there think not.
But What If I Already Registered?

If Selective Service doesn't know where you live, they might never find you. They admit their computers have the wrong addresses for about 10% of the men who registered, and the real figure is probably a lot higher -- 50% or more. So, again, you're not alone. If you don't tell Selective Service where you live, or if you ignore an induction notice, the same legal risks we talked about for nonregistrants would apply. In order to prosecute you, they would have to prove that you actually knew you were breaking the law. That will be very difficult without proof that you got their notices. So if they finally found you, you could probably avoid prosecution by submitting to the draft at that point.

You should think about what you want your parents (or whoever lives at the address you gave when you registered) to do if the government comes looking for you. If you want to resist the draft and your parents support you, they can help by sending back, unopened, any mail for you from Selective Service. You can help yourself by doing the same thing.

It's a crime to lie to Selective Service or the FBI, but you have the right to remain silent. When they say, "Anything you say will be used against you," they mean it. Your family doesn't have to accept mail for you, or tell the Feds where you live or anything else about you.
What If I Refuse To Go?

If you ignore your induction notice, and they find you, you'll almost certainly be given another chance to cooperate. Selective Services records are so inaccurate that tens of thousands of people will never receive their induction notices. Selective Service will probably assume you're one of them.

If you get a draft notice, show up, and refuse induction, you'll probably be prosecuted. However, some people will slip through the cracks in the system, and some will win in court.

If you show up and take the physical, there's a good chance that you'll flunk. (If you have a medical problem that would make it hard for you to be a soldier, you should see a draft counselor and a doctor now and get documentation of your condition.) But if you pass, you'll really be stuck. Those who get that far and then refuse induction will be much easier to find and convict than those who don't show up at all.

If you pass the physical and then don't want to go, tell the soldiers who are ordering you around that you are refusing to be inducted. Remember: once you submit to induction, you'll be under military law, which is much harsher than civilian law. Don't take that step.
Can I Go To Canada?

Maybe, but you can't count on it. So far, Canada has refused to grant sanctuary to U.S. military resisters. Like other countries, Canada has its own unemployment and economic problems, and doesn't welcome unskilled young Americans. If your asylum claim is denied, and you don't meet the qualifications for Canadian immigration, you'd be deported back to the U.S. Health care workers might be more welcome, though licensing might present a problem. workers might be more welcome, though licensing might present a problem.

If you have or can get citizenship in another country, if you're familiar with the language and culture, if you think you'd like to live there for the rest of your life, and if you have resources to get there and establish yourself, then emigration might make sense. If you leave the U.S. after you get an induction notice, you risk prosecution if you ever come back.
What About Deferments?

To get a deferment you must register, notify Selective Service whenever you move, and then apply for a deferment within a few days of receiving your induction notice. By applying for a deferment, you admit you received the induction notice, which will make it harder to wean in court if you later decide to refuse induction.

If you're opposed to all war you might qualify as a conscientious objector, although you'd still have to do alternative service. There are several other deferments, but very few people will qualify for them. (Students are not exempt from the draft or likely to be deferred.) If you plan to try for a deferment, you should talk to a draft counselor now. Once draft notices go out, there won't be enough time or enough draft counselors.
Why Break The Law?

People resist the draft for many reasons. If you're healthy and can't qualify as a conscientious objector, breaking the law is probably the only way you can avoid being drafted.

The most useful thing you can do today to keep from being drafted is to organize against the draft! Members of Congress are worried about the domestic unrest a draft will provoke -- and if the price looks too high, they won't dare try to draft you or anybody else.
If enough of us resist now, no one will be drafted.
www.resisters.info

[This page and more, including printable versions of this and related leaflets in PDF format, are at http://www.resisters.info. This Web site is published by Edward Hasbrouck, individually and not on behalf of any organization including any of the organizations linked to. I have drawn on contributions over many years by many other people, and I do not claim copyright in this Web site, but I take full personal responsibility for it.]

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Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu Mar 26 11:55:50 2015, in response to Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;, posted by Dave on Thu Mar 26 07:20:54 2015.

fiogf49gjkf0d
bullshit i survived not going to war and very intellgent

What To Do If You Don't Want To Be Drafted
These are your options if you don't want to be drafted:

Don't register.
Don't tell Selective Service your new address when you move.
Get lucky in the draft lottery.
Don't show up for induction.
Show up and flunk the physical.
Show up and refuse induction.
Convince the draft board that you're a conscientious objector, and do alternative service.
Convince the draft board that you qualify for some other deferment (most people don't).
Leave the country, or hide, for the rest of your life.
Organize now against the draft

The surest way not to be drafted is to prevent the draft entirely. This leaflet explains how you can help protect yourself from the draft by joining in the resistance to the draft and wars.
Slave Labor Is Illegal. Resist Draft Registration.
Will There Be A Draft?

With the U.S. at war in Iraq and Afghanistan, recruiters won't be able to meet their quotas forever. With American soldiers dying every day in foreign wars and occupations, people don't want to enlist no matter how desperate they are for a job. Even if the fighting stops soon, U.S. troops will probably stay in Afghanistan, Iraq, and the Gulf for years. If Army recruits have to spend a year sitting in the desert in a hostile country, who's going to volunteer next year ... or the year after? Members of Congress are already talking about bringing back the draft -- but they're afraid of draft resistance.
Who Will Be Drafted?

The first people to get drafted will probably be doctors, nurses, and other health care workers (both men and women). The military was short of health care workers even before the current wars began, and as the bodies pile up Congress may authorize a "Doctor Draft" of medical professionals. Selective Service has contingency plans for a Health Care Personnel Delivery System to draft men and women ages 20 through 44 who are doctors, nurses, technicians, therapists, or other medical professionals. (One way for such people not to be drafted -- unless they are also young men eligible for the general draft -- is to give up their medical or professional licenses. But they'll have to do it before they are drafted. Unless you're already thinking about a career change, that's not much of a choice.) For more on the health workers draft, see www.MedicalDraft.info.

If there is a draft for cannon fodder, men who registered for the draft (if you didn't register, you won't be drafted) and who turn 20 this year would be called up first. In 2012, men born in 1992 would be drafted first. It would be up to Congress, when it decides to reinstate authority for inductions, to decide whether or not to include women.

If you get drafted, you'll get a letter giving you ten days to report for a pre-induction medical exam. If you show up, pass the physical, and submit to induction, they'll put you on a bus to basic training the same day.
What Will Happen To Me?

We can't give you any guarantees. There is a lot you can do to keep from being drafted, but luck plays a big role. The government can always violate its own policies or invent new ones. You have to weigh the uncertain legal risks of resisting the draft, against the very clear hazards of submitting to the draft -- the choices aren't easy.

If the Vietnam War draft is a guide, the odds favor people who resist. Most of the people who resisted illegally -- especially those who never registered -- were never caught. They weren't drafted, they didn't go to prison, and they were never even charged in court. Even of the 210,000 men who were formally accused of violating the draft laws, only 4,000 went to prison. Another 5,000 got probation, and 41,000 avoided prosecution by submitting to induction. The rest -- more than 75% -- were either never caught, never went to trial, won in court, or flunked their induction physicals!
What If I Didn't Register?

You're not alone. Over a million men have refused to register since 1980, and millions more have violated the draft laws in other ways. Only 20 nonregistrants were prosecuted, none since 1986! Between 5-10% of the 19 and 20-year-olds who would be called first have never registered, according to government data. Most of them will never be caught, even if there's a draft.

If you decide to resist registration or induction, you'll probably get warning letters from Selective Service. These letters are usually junk mail, and you are unlikely to be prosecuted for ignoring them. In 2004, for example, the SS forwarded 162,000 names and addresses of suspected nonregistrants to the Justice Department. None of them were investigated or prosecuted. It's been like that every year since 1986.

The dangerous letters are Certified or Registered letters (letters you have to sign for). Don't sign for any letter from Selective Service or the Justice Department. Your signature is evidence that you know you are supposed to register or appear for induction. Refuse to accept the letter, and see a draft counselor or lawyer immediately.

Even if you are caught, there's a good chance you won't be prosecuted. The courts are already overwhelmed by the war on drugs; the government could only afford to prosecute a few token or outspoken draft resisters.

Most people who are caught will be able to avoid prosecution by registering and submitting to the draft. Even the vocal public nonregistrants prosecuted in the early 1980s were allowed to register without penalty up until the day they went on trial.

Some will choose to go to trial, and a few may not get that "last chance" to register. A criminal record is no laughing matter, but many draft resisters imprisoned during the Vietnam War, as well as some of the 20 nonregistrants prosecuted in the early 1980s, now hold professional jobs in business, in academia, and with non-governmental organizations. Most are proud of what they did and would do it again. Besides, is life in a minimum-security prison any worse than life in the Army? Some of us who have been there think not.
But What If I Already Registered?

If Selective Service doesn't know where you live, they might never find you. They admit their computers have the wrong addresses for about 10% of the men who registered, and the real figure is probably a lot higher -- 50% or more. So, again, you're not alone. If you don't tell Selective Service where you live, or if you ignore an induction notice, the same legal risks we talked about for nonregistrants would apply. In order to prosecute you, they would have to prove that you actually knew you were breaking the law. That will be very difficult without proof that you got their notices. So if they finally found you, you could probably avoid prosecution by submitting to the draft at that point.

You should think about what you want your parents (or whoever lives at the address you gave when you registered) to do if the government comes looking for you. If you want to resist the draft and your parents support you, they can help by sending back, unopened, any mail for you from Selective Service. You can help yourself by doing the same thing.

It's a crime to lie to Selective Service or the FBI, but you have the right to remain silent. When they say, "Anything you say will be used against you," they mean it. Your family doesn't have to accept mail for you, or tell the Feds where you live or anything else about you.
What If I Refuse To Go?

If you ignore your induction notice, and they find you, you'll almost certainly be given another chance to cooperate. Selective Services records are so inaccurate that tens of thousands of people will never receive their induction notices. Selective Service will probably assume you're one of them.

If you get a draft notice, show up, and refuse induction, you'll probably be prosecuted. However, some people will slip through the cracks in the system, and some will win in court.

If you show up and take the physical, there's a good chance that you'll flunk. (If you have a medical problem that would make it hard for you to be a soldier, you should see a draft counselor and a doctor now and get documentation of your condition.) But if you pass, you'll really be stuck. Those who get that far and then refuse induction will be much easier to find and convict than those who don't show up at all.

If you pass the physical and then don't want to go, tell the soldiers who are ordering you around that you are refusing to be inducted. Remember: once you submit to induction, you'll be under military law, which is much harsher than civilian law. Don't take that step.
Can I Go To Canada?

Maybe, but you can't count on it. So far, Canada has refused to grant sanctuary to U.S. military resisters. Like other countries, Canada has its own unemployment and economic problems, and doesn't welcome unskilled young Americans. If your asylum claim is denied, and you don't meet the qualifications for Canadian immigration, you'd be deported back to the U.S. Health care workers might be more welcome, though licensing might present a problem. workers might be more welcome, though licensing might present a problem.

If you have or can get citizenship in another country, if you're familiar with the language and culture, if you think you'd like to live there for the rest of your life, and if you have resources to get there and establish yourself, then emigration might make sense. If you leave the U.S. after you get an induction notice, you risk prosecution if you ever come back.
What About Deferments?

To get a deferment you must register, notify Selective Service whenever you move, and then apply for a deferment within a few days of receiving your induction notice. By applying for a deferment, you admit you received the induction notice, which will make it harder to wean in court if you later decide to refuse induction.

If you're opposed to all war you might qualify as a conscientious objector, although you'd still have to do alternative service. There are several other deferments, but very few people will qualify for them. (Students are not exempt from the draft or likely to be deferred.) If you plan to try for a deferment, you should talk to a draft counselor now. Once draft notices go out, there won't be enough time or enough draft counselors.
Why Break The Law?

People resist the draft for many reasons. If you're healthy and can't qualify as a conscientious objector, breaking the law is probably the only way you can avoid being drafted.

The most useful thing you can do today to keep from being drafted is to organize against the draft! Members of Congress are worried about the domestic unrest a draft will provoke -- and if the price looks too high, they won't dare try to draft you or anybody else.
If enough of us resist now, no one will be drafted.
www.resisters.info

[This page and more, including printable versions of this and related leaflets in PDF format, are at http://www.resisters.info. This Web site is published by Edward Hasbrouck, individually and not on behalf of any organization including any of the organizations linked to. I have drawn on contributions over many years by many other people, and I do not claim copyright in this Web site, but I take full personal responsibility for it.]

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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu Mar 26 11:56:39 2015, in response to Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;, posted by Dave on Thu Mar 26 07:24:53 2015.

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bullshit !!
this is what i did below


What To Do If You Don't Want To Be Drafted
These are your options if you don't want to be drafted:

Don't register.
Don't tell Selective Service your new address when you move.
Get lucky in the draft lottery.
Don't show up for induction.
Show up and flunk the physical.
Show up and refuse induction.
Convince the draft board that you're a conscientious objector, and do alternative service.
Convince the draft board that you qualify for some other deferment (most people don't).
Leave the country, or hide, for the rest of your life.
Organize now against the draft

The surest way not to be drafted is to prevent the draft entirely. This leaflet explains how you can help protect yourself from the draft by joining in the resistance to the draft and wars.
Slave Labor Is Illegal. Resist Draft Registration.
Will There Be A Draft?

With the U.S. at war in Iraq and Afghanistan, recruiters won't be able to meet their quotas forever. With American soldiers dying every day in foreign wars and occupations, people don't want to enlist no matter how desperate they are for a job. Even if the fighting stops soon, U.S. troops will probably stay in Afghanistan, Iraq, and the Gulf for years. If Army recruits have to spend a year sitting in the desert in a hostile country, who's going to volunteer next year ... or the year after? Members of Congress are already talking about bringing back the draft -- but they're afraid of draft resistance.
Who Will Be Drafted?

The first people to get drafted will probably be doctors, nurses, and other health care workers (both men and women). The military was short of health care workers even before the current wars began, and as the bodies pile up Congress may authorize a "Doctor Draft" of medical professionals. Selective Service has contingency plans for a Health Care Personnel Delivery System to draft men and women ages 20 through 44 who are doctors, nurses, technicians, therapists, or other medical professionals. (One way for such people not to be drafted -- unless they are also young men eligible for the general draft -- is to give up their medical or professional licenses. But they'll have to do it before they are drafted. Unless you're already thinking about a career change, that's not much of a choice.) For more on the health workers draft, see www.MedicalDraft.info.

If there is a draft for cannon fodder, men who registered for the draft (if you didn't register, you won't be drafted) and who turn 20 this year would be called up first. In 2012, men born in 1992 would be drafted first. It would be up to Congress, when it decides to reinstate authority for inductions, to decide whether or not to include women.

If you get drafted, you'll get a letter giving you ten days to report for a pre-induction medical exam. If you show up, pass the physical, and submit to induction, they'll put you on a bus to basic training the same day.
What Will Happen To Me?

We can't give you any guarantees. There is a lot you can do to keep from being drafted, but luck plays a big role. The government can always violate its own policies or invent new ones. You have to weigh the uncertain legal risks of resisting the draft, against the very clear hazards of submitting to the draft -- the choices aren't easy.

If the Vietnam War draft is a guide, the odds favor people who resist. Most of the people who resisted illegally -- especially those who never registered -- were never caught. They weren't drafted, they didn't go to prison, and they were never even charged in court. Even of the 210,000 men who were formally accused of violating the draft laws, only 4,000 went to prison. Another 5,000 got probation, and 41,000 avoided prosecution by submitting to induction. The rest -- more than 75% -- were either never caught, never went to trial, won in court, or flunked their induction physicals!
What If I Didn't Register?

You're not alone. Over a million men have refused to register since 1980, and millions more have violated the draft laws in other ways. Only 20 nonregistrants were prosecuted, none since 1986! Between 5-10% of the 19 and 20-year-olds who would be called first have never registered, according to government data. Most of them will never be caught, even if there's a draft.

If you decide to resist registration or induction, you'll probably get warning letters from Selective Service. These letters are usually junk mail, and you are unlikely to be prosecuted for ignoring them. In 2004, for example, the SS forwarded 162,000 names and addresses of suspected nonregistrants to the Justice Department. None of them were investigated or prosecuted. It's been like that every year since 1986.

The dangerous letters are Certified or Registered letters (letters you have to sign for). Don't sign for any letter from Selective Service or the Justice Department. Your signature is evidence that you know you are supposed to register or appear for induction. Refuse to accept the letter, and see a draft counselor or lawyer immediately.

Even if you are caught, there's a good chance you won't be prosecuted. The courts are already overwhelmed by the war on drugs; the government could only afford to prosecute a few token or outspoken draft resisters.

Most people who are caught will be able to avoid prosecution by registering and submitting to the draft. Even the vocal public nonregistrants prosecuted in the early 1980s were allowed to register without penalty up until the day they went on trial.

Some will choose to go to trial, and a few may not get that "last chance" to register. A criminal record is no laughing matter, but many draft resisters imprisoned during the Vietnam War, as well as some of the 20 nonregistrants prosecuted in the early 1980s, now hold professional jobs in business, in academia, and with non-governmental organizations. Most are proud of what they did and would do it again. Besides, is life in a minimum-security prison any worse than life in the Army? Some of us who have been there think not.
But What If I Already Registered?

If Selective Service doesn't know where you live, they might never find you. They admit their computers have the wrong addresses for about 10% of the men who registered, and the real figure is probably a lot higher -- 50% or more. So, again, you're not alone. If you don't tell Selective Service where you live, or if you ignore an induction notice, the same legal risks we talked about for nonregistrants would apply. In order to prosecute you, they would have to prove that you actually knew you were breaking the law. That will be very difficult without proof that you got their notices. So if they finally found you, you could probably avoid prosecution by submitting to the draft at that point.

You should think about what you want your parents (or whoever lives at the address you gave when you registered) to do if the government comes looking for you. If you want to resist the draft and your parents support you, they can help by sending back, unopened, any mail for you from Selective Service. You can help yourself by doing the same thing.

It's a crime to lie to Selective Service or the FBI, but you have the right to remain silent. When they say, "Anything you say will be used against you," they mean it. Your family doesn't have to accept mail for you, or tell the Feds where you live or anything else about you.
What If I Refuse To Go?

If you ignore your induction notice, and they find you, you'll almost certainly be given another chance to cooperate. Selective Services records are so inaccurate that tens of thousands of people will never receive their induction notices. Selective Service will probably assume you're one of them.

If you get a draft notice, show up, and refuse induction, you'll probably be prosecuted. However, some people will slip through the cracks in the system, and some will win in court.

If you show up and take the physical, there's a good chance that you'll flunk. (If you have a medical problem that would make it hard for you to be a soldier, you should see a draft counselor and a doctor now and get documentation of your condition.) But if you pass, you'll really be stuck. Those who get that far and then refuse induction will be much easier to find and convict than those who don't show up at all.

If you pass the physical and then don't want to go, tell the soldiers who are ordering you around that you are refusing to be inducted. Remember: once you submit to induction, you'll be under military law, which is much harsher than civilian law. Don't take that step.
Can I Go To Canada?

Maybe, but you can't count on it. So far, Canada has refused to grant sanctuary to U.S. military resisters. Like other countries, Canada has its own unemployment and economic problems, and doesn't welcome unskilled young Americans. If your asylum claim is denied, and you don't meet the qualifications for Canadian immigration, you'd be deported back to the U.S. Health care workers might be more welcome, though licensing might present a problem. workers might be more welcome, though licensing might present a problem.

If you have or can get citizenship in another country, if you're familiar with the language and culture, if you think you'd like to live there for the rest of your life, and if you have resources to get there and establish yourself, then emigration might make sense. If you leave the U.S. after you get an induction notice, you risk prosecution if you ever come back.
What About Deferments?

To get a deferment you must register, notify Selective Service whenever you move, and then apply for a deferment within a few days of receiving your induction notice. By applying for a deferment, you admit you received the induction notice, which will make it harder to wean in court if you later decide to refuse induction.

If you're opposed to all war you might qualify as a conscientious objector, although you'd still have to do alternative service. There are several other deferments, but very few people will qualify for them. (Students are not exempt from the draft or likely to be deferred.) If you plan to try for a deferment, you should talk to a draft counselor now. Once draft notices go out, there won't be enough time or enough draft counselors.
Why Break The Law?

People resist the draft for many reasons. If you're healthy and can't qualify as a conscientious objector, breaking the law is probably the only way you can avoid being drafted.

The most useful thing you can do today to keep from being drafted is to organize against the draft! Members of Congress are worried about the domestic unrest a draft will provoke -- and if the price looks too high, they won't dare try to draft you or anybody else.
If enough of us resist now, no one will be drafted.
www.resisters.info

[This page and more, including printable versions of this and related leaflets in PDF format, are at http://www.resisters.info. This Web site is published by Edward Hasbrouck, individually and not on behalf of any organization including any of the organizations linked to. I have drawn on contributions over many years by many other people, and I do not claim copyright in this Web site, but I take full personal responsibility for it.]

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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu Mar 26 11:57:55 2015, in response to Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;, posted by Dave on Thu Mar 26 07:28:20 2015.

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you are the sicko

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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu Mar 26 11:58:17 2015, in response to Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;, posted by Dave on Thu Mar 26 07:39:56 2015.

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What To Do If You Don't Want To Be Drafted
These are your options if you don't want to be drafted:

Don't register.
Don't tell Selective Service your new address when you move.
Get lucky in the draft lottery.
Don't show up for induction.
Show up and flunk the physical.
Show up and refuse induction.
Convince the draft board that you're a conscientious objector, and do alternative service.
Convince the draft board that you qualify for some other deferment (most people don't).
Leave the country, or hide, for the rest of your life.
Organize now against the draft

The surest way not to be drafted is to prevent the draft entirely. This leaflet explains how you can help protect yourself from the draft by joining in the resistance to the draft and wars.
Slave Labor Is Illegal. Resist Draft Registration.
Will There Be A Draft?

With the U.S. at war in Iraq and Afghanistan, recruiters won't be able to meet their quotas forever. With American soldiers dying every day in foreign wars and occupations, people don't want to enlist no matter how desperate they are for a job. Even if the fighting stops soon, U.S. troops will probably stay in Afghanistan, Iraq, and the Gulf for years. If Army recruits have to spend a year sitting in the desert in a hostile country, who's going to volunteer next year ... or the year after? Members of Congress are already talking about bringing back the draft -- but they're afraid of draft resistance.
Who Will Be Drafted?

The first people to get drafted will probably be doctors, nurses, and other health care workers (both men and women). The military was short of health care workers even before the current wars began, and as the bodies pile up Congress may authorize a "Doctor Draft" of medical professionals. Selective Service has contingency plans for a Health Care Personnel Delivery System to draft men and women ages 20 through 44 who are doctors, nurses, technicians, therapists, or other medical professionals. (One way for such people not to be drafted -- unless they are also young men eligible for the general draft -- is to give up their medical or professional licenses. But they'll have to do it before they are drafted. Unless you're already thinking about a career change, that's not much of a choice.) For more on the health workers draft, see www.MedicalDraft.info.

If there is a draft for cannon fodder, men who registered for the draft (if you didn't register, you won't be drafted) and who turn 20 this year would be called up first. In 2012, men born in 1992 would be drafted first. It would be up to Congress, when it decides to reinstate authority for inductions, to decide whether or not to include women.

If you get drafted, you'll get a letter giving you ten days to report for a pre-induction medical exam. If you show up, pass the physical, and submit to induction, they'll put you on a bus to basic training the same day.
What Will Happen To Me?

We can't give you any guarantees. There is a lot you can do to keep from being drafted, but luck plays a big role. The government can always violate its own policies or invent new ones. You have to weigh the uncertain legal risks of resisting the draft, against the very clear hazards of submitting to the draft -- the choices aren't easy.

If the Vietnam War draft is a guide, the odds favor people who resist. Most of the people who resisted illegally -- especially those who never registered -- were never caught. They weren't drafted, they didn't go to prison, and they were never even charged in court. Even of the 210,000 men who were formally accused of violating the draft laws, only 4,000 went to prison. Another 5,000 got probation, and 41,000 avoided prosecution by submitting to induction. The rest -- more than 75% -- were either never caught, never went to trial, won in court, or flunked their induction physicals!
What If I Didn't Register?

You're not alone. Over a million men have refused to register since 1980, and millions more have violated the draft laws in other ways. Only 20 nonregistrants were prosecuted, none since 1986! Between 5-10% of the 19 and 20-year-olds who would be called first have never registered, according to government data. Most of them will never be caught, even if there's a draft.

If you decide to resist registration or induction, you'll probably get warning letters from Selective Service. These letters are usually junk mail, and you are unlikely to be prosecuted for ignoring them. In 2004, for example, the SS forwarded 162,000 names and addresses of suspected nonregistrants to the Justice Department. None of them were investigated or prosecuted. It's been like that every year since 1986.

The dangerous letters are Certified or Registered letters (letters you have to sign for). Don't sign for any letter from Selective Service or the Justice Department. Your signature is evidence that you know you are supposed to register or appear for induction. Refuse to accept the letter, and see a draft counselor or lawyer immediately.

Even if you are caught, there's a good chance you won't be prosecuted. The courts are already overwhelmed by the war on drugs; the government could only afford to prosecute a few token or outspoken draft resisters.

Most people who are caught will be able to avoid prosecution by registering and submitting to the draft. Even the vocal public nonregistrants prosecuted in the early 1980s were allowed to register without penalty up until the day they went on trial.

Some will choose to go to trial, and a few may not get that "last chance" to register. A criminal record is no laughing matter, but many draft resisters imprisoned during the Vietnam War, as well as some of the 20 nonregistrants prosecuted in the early 1980s, now hold professional jobs in business, in academia, and with non-governmental organizations. Most are proud of what they did and would do it again. Besides, is life in a minimum-security prison any worse than life in the Army? Some of us who have been there think not.
But What If I Already Registered?

If Selective Service doesn't know where you live, they might never find you. They admit their computers have the wrong addresses for about 10% of the men who registered, and the real figure is probably a lot higher -- 50% or more. So, again, you're not alone. If you don't tell Selective Service where you live, or if you ignore an induction notice, the same legal risks we talked about for nonregistrants would apply. In order to prosecute you, they would have to prove that you actually knew you were breaking the law. That will be very difficult without proof that you got their notices. So if they finally found you, you could probably avoid prosecution by submitting to the draft at that point.

You should think about what you want your parents (or whoever lives at the address you gave when you registered) to do if the government comes looking for you. If you want to resist the draft and your parents support you, they can help by sending back, unopened, any mail for you from Selective Service. You can help yourself by doing the same thing.

It's a crime to lie to Selective Service or the FBI, but you have the right to remain silent. When they say, "Anything you say will be used against you," they mean it. Your family doesn't have to accept mail for you, or tell the Feds where you live or anything else about you.
What If I Refuse To Go?

If you ignore your induction notice, and they find you, you'll almost certainly be given another chance to cooperate. Selective Services records are so inaccurate that tens of thousands of people will never receive their induction notices. Selective Service will probably assume you're one of them.

If you get a draft notice, show up, and refuse induction, you'll probably be prosecuted. However, some people will slip through the cracks in the system, and some will win in court.

If you show up and take the physical, there's a good chance that you'll flunk. (If you have a medical problem that would make it hard for you to be a soldier, you should see a draft counselor and a doctor now and get documentation of your condition.) But if you pass, you'll really be stuck. Those who get that far and then refuse induction will be much easier to find and convict than those who don't show up at all.

If you pass the physical and then don't want to go, tell the soldiers who are ordering you around that you are refusing to be inducted. Remember: once you submit to induction, you'll be under military law, which is much harsher than civilian law. Don't take that step.
Can I Go To Canada?

Maybe, but you can't count on it. So far, Canada has refused to grant sanctuary to U.S. military resisters. Like other countries, Canada has its own unemployment and economic problems, and doesn't welcome unskilled young Americans. If your asylum claim is denied, and you don't meet the qualifications for Canadian immigration, you'd be deported back to the U.S. Health care workers might be more welcome, though licensing might present a problem. workers might be more welcome, though licensing might present a problem.

If you have or can get citizenship in another country, if you're familiar with the language and culture, if you think you'd like to live there for the rest of your life, and if you have resources to get there and establish yourself, then emigration might make sense. If you leave the U.S. after you get an induction notice, you risk prosecution if you ever come back.
What About Deferments?

To get a deferment you must register, notify Selective Service whenever you move, and then apply for a deferment within a few days of receiving your induction notice. By applying for a deferment, you admit you received the induction notice, which will make it harder to wean in court if you later decide to refuse induction.

If you're opposed to all war you might qualify as a conscientious objector, although you'd still have to do alternative service. There are several other deferments, but very few people will qualify for them. (Students are not exempt from the draft or likely to be deferred.) If you plan to try for a deferment, you should talk to a draft counselor now. Once draft notices go out, there won't be enough time or enough draft counselors.
Why Break The Law?

People resist the draft for many reasons. If you're healthy and can't qualify as a conscientious objector, breaking the law is probably the only way you can avoid being drafted.

The most useful thing you can do today to keep from being drafted is to organize against the draft! Members of Congress are worried about the domestic unrest a draft will provoke -- and if the price looks too high, they won't dare try to draft you or anybody else.
If enough of us resist now, no one will be drafted.
www.resisters.info

[This page and more, including printable versions of this and related leaflets in PDF format, are at http://www.resisters.info. This Web site is published by Edward Hasbrouck, individually and not on behalf of any organization including any of the organizations linked to. I have drawn on contributions over many years by many other people, and I do not claim copyright in this Web site, but I take full personal responsibility for it.]

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Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;

Posted by Bingbong on Thu Mar 26 12:08:55 2015, in response to Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;, posted by AlM on Thu Mar 26 10:47:59 2015.

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He stated that he and his wife had their kids when they did specifically to ensure his continuing deferment. If that isn't draft dodging (albeit through manipulation of the system, as opposed to what was then considered a criminal act) then what is?

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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Mar 26 12:32:23 2015, in response to Re: Fw: CA Driver's License = Selective Service Registration?8207;, posted by AlM on Thu Mar 26 10:56:48 2015.

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Here's a link to a NY Times article describing Cheney's draft status. It's difficult to determine whether he received any specific favors because his student deferral classifications are not given.

I'm Cheney's age and a couple of things strike me as odd. However, it may be due to his local board's procedures rather than favoritism.

Cheney received a student deferment when entering Yale in 1960. I'll assume he received a 2-S deferment. This was fairly standard. It was valid for as long as Cheney remained a student in good standing. An alternative was receive a grade of 70 or more on an SSS examination. Few people took this exam in the period between Korea and Vietnam. Regardless of the basis for the 2-S deferment, students had to take a full course load and graduate within the prescribed period of time.

In exchange for this deferment, any recipient was supposed to be placed the top of the eligible list when the deferment expired.

As the linked article states, Cheney dropped out of Yale in 1962 and was reclassified as 1-A. Having received a 2-S deferment, Cheney should have been placed on the eligible list ahead of older men. Cheney did not apply for nor receive another student (1-S or 2-S) deferment until 1963.

If Cheney received preferential treatment, it was between Feb 1962 and Mar 1963. Cheney was classified as 1-A and was working as a lineman for the local power company. He should have been on the top of the eligible list by virtue of his 2-S deferment.

If Wyoming's quota were only 1 draftee during that period, it should have been Cheney or others who had received previous deferments. The SSS boards were locally run. I don't know whether Cheney's board followed the procedure of placing deferred men at top of the list. Only a thorough check of Wyoming residents in similar circumstances would reveal whether Cheney received preferential treatment.

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