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Bowe Bergdahl To Be Charged |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Jan 27 08:19:40 2015 As a deserter. Congratulations president zerobama on another great trade. 5 terrorists for a deserter - smooth. |
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Re: Bowe Bergdahl To Be Charged |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 27 08:59:09 2015, in response to Bowe Bergdahl To Be Charged, posted by Train Dude on Tue Jan 27 08:19:40 2015. So you're saying that Americans are not worth more than Taliban? |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Jan 27 09:03:53 2015, in response to Re: Bowe Bergdahl To Be Charged, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 27 08:59:09 2015. What a nonsense response. The Taliban commanders were of much more valuable to our enemy than the sad sack we got back. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Jan 27 11:33:03 2015, in response to Bowe Bergdahl To Be Charged, posted by Train Dude on Tue Jan 27 08:19:40 2015. Charged does not always mean guilty, so are you willing to forgo rights of Americans and condemn him before a trial ??I think Government did right thing and by law. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Jan 27 11:35:48 2015, in response to Re: Bowe Bergdahl To Be Charged, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 27 08:59:09 2015. Why do limp liberal always resort to weak arguments like that? They will ne back on the battlefield fighting us and bergdahl will be cheering them on. |
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Re: Bowe Bergdahl To Be Charged |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Jan 27 11:50:55 2015, in response to Re: Bowe Bergdahl To Be Charged, posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Jan 27 11:33:03 2015. First, Americans are entitled to their opinions.That said, Bergdahl met the presumption for AWOL as soon as he voluntarily left his unit. As a matter of protocol, he was dropped from his unit after 30 days absence as a deserter. At that point, it is on him to demonstrate that he INTENDED to return to his unit. Statements that he made, for example, to others before leaving would bear heavily on this. It doesn't look real good for him. |
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Re: Army Times: Bowe Bergdahl Reports are Untrue |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Jan 27 12:23:31 2015, in response to Bowe Bergdahl To Be Charged, posted by Train Dude on Tue Jan 27 08:19:40 2015. Army: Bergdahl reports are untrue, no decision madeBy Michelle Tan and Andrew Tilghman, Staff Writers Army Times 11:43 a.m. EST January 27, 2015 The Army says there is no truth to media reports claiming a decision has been made to charge Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl with desertion. The Army continues to review the case against Bergdahl, said Paul Boyce, a spokesman for Forces Command, on Tuesday morning. In a report Monday citing two anonymous military sources, retired Lt. Col. Tony Schaffer told Fox News' "The O'Reilly Factor" that the Army plans to charge Bergdahl with desertion. Schaffer also told the outlet his sources confirmed to him that Bergdahl's lawyer has been given a charge sheet. No charge sheets were available Tuesday, and Boyce said he is unaware of any charge sheets being issued against Bergdahl, adding that the Fox News story "seems to be speculative in nature." Bergdahl's attorney Eugene Fidell declined to comment. NBC News, citing an anonymous senior defense official, is also reporting a desertion charge is coming, possibly within the week. Gen. Mark Milley, commanding general of Forces Command, "is reviewing now the Army's facts and findings to determine, impartially, any appropriate next steps and possible actions," Boyce said. Milley is "actively reviewing the case," he said. "No decision's been made." There is no timeline for when Milley must make a decision. Milley received the Army's investigation Dec. 22, Boyce said. Bergdahl, 28, disappeared from Combat Outpost Mest-Lalak in Paktika province, Afghanistan, on June 30, 2009. He spent five years as a captive under the Taliban before he was freed in a May 31 prisoner swap that also freed five Taliban leaders from the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. He is now assigned to a desk job at U.S. Army North at Joint Base San Antonio-Fort Sam Houston, Texas, while he awaits the outcome of the Army's review. The Army has declined to release any details of the six-month investigation into the circumstances surrounding his disappearance. Then-Spc. Bergdahl was accused of leaving his patrol base alone and intentionally before he was captured by Taliban insurgents in 2009. A prior investigation of Bergdahl's disappearance — conducted in 2009 long before his return — found that some members of his unit believed Bergdahl left his patrol base alone at night at least once before and returned safely. As the general court-martial convening authority, Milley has several courses of action, from no further action against Bergdahl to court-martial. The case presents a challenge for the Army's leadership, which has to decide whether to punish a soldier who spent five years as a prisoner of war or essentially overlook the allegations of misconduct that surrounded his disappearance. |
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Re: Army Times: Bowe Bergdahl Reports are Untrue |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Jan 27 12:42:56 2015, in response to Re: Army Times: Bowe Bergdahl Reports are Untrue, posted by SMAZ on Tue Jan 27 12:23:31 2015. In a report Monday citing two anonymous military sources, retired Lt. Col. Tony Schaffer told Fox News' "The O'Reilly Factor" that the Army plans to charge Bergdahl with desertion. Schaffer also told the outlet his sources confirmed to him that Bergdahl's lawyer has been given a charge sheet.Wotta surprise! :) Army Times Story Link your pal, Fred |
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Re: Army Times: Bowe Bergdahl Reports are Untrue |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Jan 27 12:59:38 2015, in response to Re: Army Times: Bowe Bergdahl Reports are Untrue, posted by Fred G on Tue Jan 27 12:42:56 2015. Well, at least half of what the usual suspects posts is true. :) |
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Re: Bowe Bergdahl To Be Charged |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Jan 27 13:45:42 2015, in response to Bowe Bergdahl To Be Charged, posted by Train Dude on Tue Jan 27 08:19:40 2015. Maybe yes. Maybe no. And the White House has the power to change yes to no. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 27 15:04:55 2015, in response to Re: Army Times: Bowe Bergdahl Reports are Untrue, posted by SMAZ on Tue Jan 27 12:23:31 2015. The Army Times is a government-controlled joke (Gannett Government Media.All the news reports about desertion charges are still up as of now. |
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Re: Bowe Bergdahl To Be Charged |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 27 15:05:11 2015, in response to Re: Army Times: Bowe Bergdahl Reports are Untrue, posted by SMAZ on Tue Jan 27 12:23:31 2015. The Army Times is a government-controlled joke (Gannett Government Media).All the news reports about desertion charges are still up as of now. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Jan 27 15:37:11 2015, in response to Re: Bowe Bergdahl To Be Charged, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 27 15:04:55 2015. The Army Times is a government-controlled jokeSo what you describe as a government-controlled entity is not to be believed when reporting on a government proceeding but....ummmmm.... All the news reports about desertion charges are still up as of now ....that is? Do you even realize the kind of incoherent nonsense that you write? |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Jan 27 16:06:47 2015, in response to Re: Bowe Bergdahl To Be Charged, posted by SLRT on Tue Jan 27 11:50:55 2015. So far most of accusations came from two man in his outfit that both were dishonorably discharged, but still innocent till PROVEN guilty. and as such it was obligation of government to get him back, as US citizen. |
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Posted by TrAiN DuDe on Tue Jan 27 16:11:55 2015, in response to Re: Bowe Bergdahl To Be Charged, posted by SMAZ on Tue Jan 27 15:37:11 2015. Well, I guess it's got to be true now Since NBC is reporting the story. |
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Re: Bowe Bergdahl To Be Charged |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Jan 27 16:45:19 2015, in response to Bowe Bergdahl To Be Charged, posted by Train Dude on Tue Jan 27 08:19:40 2015. so they are gonna charge ''bird dog'' ?? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 27 16:58:31 2015, in response to Re: Bowe Bergdahl To Be Charged, posted by TrAiN DuDe on Tue Jan 27 16:11:55 2015. Nobody's unreporting the story. Except for "Army" Times. |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Jan 27 17:02:00 2015, in response to Re: Bowe Bergdahl To Be Charged, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 27 16:58:31 2015. Nobody's unreporting the story. Except for "Army" Times.And FOX News And Politico your pal, Fred |
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Re: Army Times: Bowe Bergdahl Reports are Untrue |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Jan 27 17:02:59 2015, in response to Re: Bowe Bergdahl To Be Charged, posted by TrAiN DuDe on Tue Jan 27 16:11:55 2015. it's still untrue as of 2:56 EST |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Jan 27 17:04:38 2015, in response to Re: Army Times: Bowe Bergdahl Reports are Untrue, posted by SMAZ on Tue Jan 27 17:02:59 2015. There's corroborationI think even German-foreign-policy.com is running a similar piece :) your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Jan 27 17:04:41 2015, in response to Re: Bowe Bergdahl To Be Charged, posted by Fred G on Tue Jan 27 17:02:00 2015. two Fox fuckups in a week.At least they corrected it. |
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Posted by WillD on Tue Jan 27 20:06:23 2015, in response to Re: Army Times: Bowe Bergdahl Reports are Untrue, posted by SMAZ on Tue Jan 27 17:02:59 2015. And thus ended the Chickenhawk Right Wing platoon's participation in this thread. You might say they're deserting it. They sure as hell won't serve, but they somehow feel free to criticize those who do. |
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Re: Army Times: Bowe Bergdahl Reports are Untrue |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Jan 27 20:21:49 2015, in response to Re: Army Times: Bowe Bergdahl Reports are Untrue, posted by WillD on Tue Jan 27 20:06:23 2015. Excellent post. |
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Re: Bowe Bergdahl To Be Charged |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed Jan 28 09:23:24 2015, in response to Re: Bowe Bergdahl To Be Charged, posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Jan 27 16:06:47 2015. Two men? Dishonorably discharged? That's a very big deal. Got a source? And what were the charges in that? If it happened, we would know, because DDs only come from a Court Martial, which is a criminal proceeding. |
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Re: Army Times( So what?): Bowe Bergdahl Reports are Untrue |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed Jan 28 10:21:01 2015, in response to Re: Army Times: Bowe Bergdahl Reports are Untrue, posted by SMAZ on Tue Jan 27 12:23:31 2015. Just a point, since the fact this is in The Army Times many may think this is some kind of definitive source.Although this was a popular paper at the PX back to my time in service and earlier, it is not any kind of official publication of the Armed Forces. It is a Gannett Publication, which included (among many others) USA Today, The Indianapolis Star, The Des Moines Register, the Detroit Free Press and is the largest owner of affiliate stations of NBC and CBS. And the article correctly quotes that the information is from the ARMY; i.e., the official line. So it is not necessarily any more reliable than any other source. Since the great majority here (save me, SMAZ, AvenueCnext and a few others), have no military experience they can be forgiven for thinking that the Army Times is especially important |
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Re: Bowe Bergdahl To Be Charged |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed Jan 28 10:22:46 2015, in response to Re: Bowe Bergdahl To Be Charged, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 27 15:04:55 2015. The Army Times is not government controlled. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Jan 28 10:27:39 2015, in response to Re: Bowe Bergdahl To Be Charged, posted by SLRT on Wed Jan 28 10:22:46 2015. If you accept Olog's premise that Gannett is government controlled, then it follows that the Army Times also is. :) |
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Re: Army Times( So what?): Bowe Bergdahl Reports are Untrue |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Jan 28 10:36:57 2015, in response to Re: Army Times( So what?): Bowe Bergdahl Reports are Untrue, posted by SLRT on Wed Jan 28 10:21:01 2015. while Army Times is not Army-owned, it has always had a very intimate and tight collaboration with the Army.It's where promotions, cutoff scores, PCS swap opportunities, pay and benefit changes and all other things Army are published. It was a MUST-READ in the pre-Internet days and is still prominent today. The letters to the paper by servicemembers was always the best part. The fact that it is independent from the Govt lent it the credibility that Stars and Stripes or Soldiers Magazine could only dream of (S'n S is still a joke today). (for the uninitiated, one can substitute Army with Air Force Times, Navy Times, etc and they are the same thing). |
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Re: Army Times( So what?): Bowe Bergdahl Reports are Untrue |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed Jan 28 10:43:28 2015, in response to Re: Army Times( So what?): Bowe Bergdahl Reports are Untrue, posted by SMAZ on Wed Jan 28 10:36:57 2015. Stars and Stripes was a joke during 'Nam also. Maybe in WWII it was a big deal.Yes, the Army Times is sort of like the Civil Service Leader for people who keep an eye on civil service doings, test scores, promotion lists, and so on. And like the Civil Service Leader it's not big on attempting investigative reporting. So while the Army Times is more likely than the bourgeois press to follow stories important to active duty personnel, they reported this story straight, without displaying or claiming special knowledge. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 28 12:44:27 2015, in response to Re: Army Times: Bowe Bergdahl Reports are Untrue, posted by SMAZ on Tue Jan 27 12:23:31 2015. Right now the word is that there's a fight between the President and Army brass over whether to charge him. The Army wants to, because he actually deserted. The White House doesn't want the political embarrassment of having to explain why they traded known terrorists for a traitor.The Army Times is not an independent newspaper. |
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Re: Army Times: Bowe Bergdahl Reports are Untrue? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jan 28 12:47:20 2015, in response to Re: Army Times: Bowe Bergdahl Reports are Untrue?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 28 12:44:27 2015. The Army Times is not an independent newspaper.Define "independent". |
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Re: Army Times: Bowe Bergdahl Reports are Untrue? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 28 13:28:01 2015, in response to Re: Army Times: Bowe Bergdahl Reports are Untrue?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 28 12:44:27 2015. Right now the word. . .Right now the bird is the word! |
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Re: Army Times: Bowe Bergdahl Reports are Untrue? |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Jan 28 13:50:37 2015, in response to Re: Army Times: Bowe Bergdahl Reports are Untrue?, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 28 13:28:01 2015. yeah ! '''bird dog''' !!lol |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed Jan 28 15:27:12 2015, in response to Re: Army Times: Bowe Bergdahl Reports are Untrue, posted by WillD on Tue Jan 27 20:06:23 2015. Did you serve, WillD. I did. |
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Re: Army Times: Bowe Bergdahl Reports are Untrue? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jan 29 12:12:58 2015, in response to Re: Army Times: Bowe Bergdahl Reports are Untrue?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 28 12:44:27 2015. bumpDefine "independent". |
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Re: Army Times: Bowe Bergdahl Reports are Untrue? |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Jan 29 13:05:02 2015, in response to Re: Army Times: Bowe Bergdahl Reports are Untrue?, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 28 13:28:01 2015. I thought Grease was the word :) |
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