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Posted by Dave on Tue Jan 27 07:57:06 2015, in response to Re: Really Dave??????, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Jan 26 22:43:22 2015. Stop confusing Streetie with the facts. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Jan 27 08:08:35 2015, in response to Re: Really Dave??????, posted by Dave on Tue Jan 27 07:57:06 2015. The closest streetie will ever come to Yale is the lock on his door. Streetie=Chicken Little. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Jan 27 08:09:38 2015, in response to Re: MY Life at Yale as a Black student in 2015, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Jan 27 04:11:34 2015. Do you really like men that way, sal? |
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Posted by Dave on Tue Jan 27 09:27:58 2015, in response to Re: Really Dave??????, posted by Train Dude on Tue Jan 27 08:08:35 2015. Truth! |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Jan 27 10:14:18 2015, in response to Re: Really Dave??????, posted by Dave on Tue Jan 27 07:57:06 2015. There are NO facts..... |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Jan 27 10:15:52 2015, in response to Re: Really Dave??????, posted by Train Dude on Tue Jan 27 08:08:35 2015. " Streetie=Chicken Little."Oh......so now you admit that you're a pedophile.......thanks for the warning.....I'll keep my kids away from you! |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Jan 27 10:16:03 2015, in response to Re: Really Dave??????, posted by Dave on Tue Jan 27 09:27:58 2015. FALSE |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Jan 27 10:17:19 2015, in response to Re: My Life at Yale as a Black student in 2015, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 27 01:35:19 2015. "BTW, only the Irish are allowed to answer questions with questions."Really? since when are you being ethnically focused? |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Jan 27 10:17:52 2015, in response to Re: My Life at Yale as a Black student in 2015, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 27 01:36:07 2015. Stupid........you have no clue what the fuck you're saying...... |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Jan 27 10:18:17 2015, in response to Re: MY Life at Yale as a Black student in 2015, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Jan 27 04:11:34 2015. Agreed |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Jan 27 10:19:33 2015, in response to Re: MY Life at Yale as a Black student in 2015, posted by Train Dude on Tue Jan 27 08:09:38 2015. Why do want men to place you on pedestal? is there a hidden sexual desire you are seeking of men? |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Jan 27 10:19:55 2015, in response to Re: MY Life at Yale as a Black student in 2015, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Jan 27 04:11:54 2015. thanks |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Jan 27 10:20:13 2015, in response to Re: Really Dave??????, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Jan 27 04:45:30 2015. thanks |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Jan 27 10:20:25 2015, in response to Re: Really Dave??????, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Jan 27 04:45:57 2015. thanks |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Jan 27 10:20:41 2015, in response to Re: MY Life at Yale as a Black student in 2015, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Jan 27 04:47:28 2015. yes |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Jan 27 10:26:50 2015, in response to Re: Really Dave??????, posted by Dave on Tue Jan 27 07:55:30 2015. "Nice deflection but that has nothing to do with Yale. "Why would any cop need to draw his or her gun on a DEFENSELESS person? He had no gun and showed his ID and yet he was treated like a common criminal. We don't have to go there with you or anyone else here on Subchat where the facts of life don't lie. Whites will always be given the benefit of doubt. To say that there are no minorities attending Ivy League school OR teaching there....would be a lie. I am sure if this happened to a White student where daddy is an alumni and a BIG DONOR, the campus cop would have their job on the line at this point. You're useless and clueless when it comes to fact....local or national. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Jan 27 10:58:37 2015, in response to Re: Really Dave??????, posted by Train Dude on Tue Jan 27 08:08:35 2015. Have you yet to clear out the SNOW in the empty space in between your ears yet? Luchie wants to know. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Jan 27 11:39:25 2015, in response to Re: Really Dave??????, posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Jan 27 10:20:13 2015. you are welcome |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Jan 27 11:51:25 2015, in response to Re: MY Life at Yale as a Black student in 2015, posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Jan 27 10:19:33 2015. LOL ! |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Jan 27 11:51:51 2015, in response to Re: MY Life at Yale as a Black student in 2015, posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Jan 27 10:19:55 2015. you are welcome |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Jan 27 11:53:20 2015, in response to Re: MY Life at Yale as a Black student in 2015, posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Jan 27 10:20:41 2015. IAWTP |
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Posted by Dave on Tue Jan 27 11:53:24 2015, in response to Re: Really Dave??????, posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Jan 27 10:26:50 2015. How did the cop know he was defenseless? How did the cop know the student had no gun? Again, you deflect. Get back to us when you can report about the stop and detain records from the Yale police. Until then you're just flapping your gums. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Jan 27 11:54:27 2015, in response to Re: Really Dave??????, posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Jan 27 10:26:50 2015. IAWTP |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Jan 27 11:58:41 2015, in response to Re: Really Dave??????, posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Jan 27 10:20:25 2015. you are welcome |
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Re: Really Dave?????? PART II |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Jan 27 12:55:28 2015, in response to Re: Really Dave??????, posted by Dave on Tue Jan 27 11:53:24 2015. "How did the cop know he was defenseless?"Are you alleging that a young black at Yale carries a gun? that right there is YOUR racist thinking! Oh.......while you are trying to think of a CLASSIC rebuttal....you can read this and "try" to decipher this NYTIMES article: From the NYTIMES.COM: Tasked to Protect All on Campus, but Accused of Racial Bias By PETER SCHMIDT | THE CHRONICLE OF HIGHER EDUCATIONDEC. 28, 2014 The head of the University of Pennsylvania’s police union was not pleased to hear how Amy Gutmann had ended up lying on the floor this month at her own holiday party. Ms. Gutmann, the university’s president, had lowered herself onto her back to show solidarity with student demonstrators who staged a “die in” at her party as part of a national wave of protests over the killing of unarmed black men by police officers. The high-minded rationale for her action was exactly what inspired Eric J. Rohrback, the president of the Penn Police Association, to regard it as a faux pas. In a letter published by The Daily Pennsylvanian, the student newspaper, Mr. Rohrback said Ms. Gutmann had delivered “a slap in the face to every person that wears this uniform and serves this university.” His letter accused the protesters of ignoring how the grand jury examining the shooting of Michael Brown of Ferguson, Mo., had “fully exonerated the officer.” The tensions that have surfaced at Penn are similar to those found at many American colleges at a time of heightened attention to how the police treat members of minority groups. Several colleges’ police forces have also been the subject of recent controversies stemming from allegations they had engaged in racial profiling. How to equally protect all appears to be a task many continue to struggle to get right. Vassar College, in Poughkeepsie, N.Y., was accused last year of racial profiling after campus security officers confronted two black women enrolled there for using their dormitory laundromat, and called the town police on a group of local black children and teenagers who had been noisy in the library. Catharine B. Hill, Vassar’s president, in August announced that the college had taken several steps to deal with the problem, such as amending its antidiscrimination policies to explicitly prohibit racial profiling and hiring a consulting firm to assist in a review of campus security practices. As reported in The Chronicle of Winston-Salem, N.C., students at Wake Forest University held a town-hall meeting last month to discuss black students’ perceptions that the campus police ask them for their identification far more than they ask other students, and give disproportionate scrutiny to parties held by black fraternities and sororities. Regina Lawson, the university’s police chief, told the audience that her department had established a new bias-reporting system and plans to train its officers to avoid unconscious discrimination. As proved by the case with President Gutmann of the University of Pennsylvania, however, college administrators who take a stand against alleged police misbehavior run the risk of alienating those they depend upon to maintain order on the campus. In his letter criticizing Ms. Gutmann’s participation in the “die in” protest, Mr. Rohrback, the police union president, said, “As a supervisor of law-enforcement employees, she should at the very least remain neutral and not give in to mob mentality.” Continue reading the main story Instead of trying to rebut him, the university’s administration scrambled to mend relations with its police officers. Maureen Rush, vice president for public safety, said in a letter to the campus police department that was also published in The Daily Pennsylvanian that Ms. Gutmann had merely responded “instinctively” to the protesters and “is 110 percent supportive of each and every member of our police department, and law enforcement in general.” At the University of Minnesota, Twin Cities, administrators have stood behind the university police department in a much more concrete and controversial way, refusing demands from black faculty, staff, and student organizations that the campus police stop routinely publishing the race of suspects in campus crime alerts. In a letter sent to Eric W. Kaler, the university’s president, a year ago, the campus’s Black Faculty and Staff Association had joined the departments of African-American and African studies and other groups in protesting what they described as a surge in campus crime alerts that described suspects as black men. Saying the alerts had led to a rise in racial profiling on and around the campus, they called for the university to either remove the suspects’ race from crime alerts or give a written justification for providing such information. They argued that “efforts to reduce crime should never be at the expense of our black men.” In an interview last week, Steve Henneberry, a spokesman for the University of Minnesota, said that there were “ongoing discussions between the administration and some groups on campus” about such concerns but that the university continued to have a policy of using racial descriptors in its crime alerts. “The belief is that a well-informed community is an asset to public safety,” Mr. Henneberry said, “and that involves providing as much information as we can to our community.” The International Association of Campus Law Enforcement Administrators, which counts among its members the public-safety departments of about 1,200 American colleges, has sought to push colleges to end racial profiling through voluntary accreditation standards for its members. Under a standard that it adopted in 2012, the association requires that colleges have a written directive that prohibits officers from engaging in “bias-based enforcement activity” and profiling based on race, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, religion, or socioeconomic status. It says such a directive should require that all officers receive entry-level and biennial training to prevent profiling, that all complaints of biased enforcement be investigated, and that such complaints be reviewed annually to identify trends or training needs. It is unclear how much weight such standards have. Just 18 college agencies have earned the group’s accreditation, while 23 others have earned accreditation jointly through the association and the Commission on Accreditation of Law Enforcement Agencies. Continue reading the main story Continue reading the main story Continue reading the main story Christopher G. Blake, chief staff officer of the law-enforcement administrators’ association, said agencies without accreditation might well have developed profiling policies on their own. The effectiveness of antibias training programs for the police also remains in question. Maria Haberfeld, who studies racial profiling as a professor of police science at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice, part of the City University of New York, said that when police officers were caught engaging in biased enforcement, “the first and easiest thing to say is ‘We are going to retrain them."’ She said she was skeptical, however, of the belief that police officers could be taught to operate without bias in a few training sessions because bias against certain groups can be so entrenched in their thinking. Moreover, she said, “you can come up with the most wonderful training program, but if you are not offering it to the right people, it is not going to improve anything.” David L. Perry, president of the law-enforcement administrators’ association and chief of police at Florida State University, said one of the main factors keeping more campus agencies from being accused of racial bias or excessive use of force was “our foundation in community-oriented policing.” He said campus agencies had been at the forefront of the community-policing movement, which they had embraced easily because they routinely interact with people on their campuses on a daily basis. Gary J. Margolis, a former chief of police at the University of Vermont who now consults with campus police departments, said such agencies “tend to be a little bit more sensitive to the dynamics of race just because of the nature of an academic learning environment,” where topics related to race are more often discussed. If there is a major change that the recent police-shooting controversies is likely to bring about among campus police agencies, it may be in the popularization of the body-worn police cameras, which are being advocated as possible deterrents to bias and other bad police behavior. About 350 campus agencies have watched a webinar on such cameras that the law-enforcement administrators’ association offered in September, according to Tom Saccenti, who helped organize the presentation as chief of police at Furman University in South Carolina. He said the cameras, which his own agency began using in 2013, have helped in enforcing both laws and campus codes of conduct — not just by documenting what an officer is seeing, but by changing the behavior of those being filmed. “It is accountability for both sides,” Mr. Saccenti said. “The officer knows he is being recorded, but you can clearly see that there is a camera on the police officer. We have seen a change in behavior in a lot of people who we talk to because they know they are on a recording.” Peter Schmidt writes about affirmative action, academic labor, and issues related to academic freedom. Contact him at peter.schmidt@chronicle.com. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Jan 27 12:56:03 2015, in response to Re: Really Dave??????, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Jan 27 11:39:25 2015. :) |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Jan 27 12:56:19 2015, in response to Re: Really Dave??????, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Jan 27 11:54:27 2015. thanks |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Jan 27 12:56:35 2015, in response to Re: Really Dave??????, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Jan 27 11:58:41 2015. ;) |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Jan 27 13:02:45 2015, in response to Re: Really Dave??????, posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Jan 27 12:56:03 2015. thanks |
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Re: Really Dave?????? PART III |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Jan 27 13:06:53 2015, in response to Re: Really Dave?????? PART II, posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Jan 27 12:55:28 2015. DAVEY....YOU KNOW WHERE DALLAS IS? EH? LOLhttp://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/sunday-commentary/20141112-lawrence-otis-graham-i-thought-privilege-would-protect-my-kids-from-racism.-i-was-wrong..ece Lawrence Otis Graham: I thought privilege would protect my kids from racism. I was wrong. Lawrence Otis Graham says that he and his wife thought that if they worked hard and maintained great jobs, they could insulate their children from the blatant manifestations of bigotry that they experienced as children in the 1960s and ’70s. By LAWRENCE OTIS GRAHAM Published: 12 November 2014 04:28 PM Updated: 15 November 2014 05:53 PM I knew the day would come, but I didn’t know how it would happen, where I would be, or how I would respond. It is the moment that every black parent fears: the day his child is called a nigger. My wife and I, both African-Americans, constitute one of those Type A couples with Ivy League undergraduate and graduate degrees who, for many years, believed that if we worked hard and maintained great jobs, we could insulate our children from the blatant manifestations of bigotry that we experienced as children in the 1960s and ’70s. We divided our lives between a house in a liberal New York suburb and an apartment on Park Avenue, sent our three kids to a diverse New York City private school, and outfitted them with the accoutrements of success: preppy clothes, perfect diction and that air of quiet graciousness. We convinced ourselves that the economic privilege we bestowed on them could buffer these adolescents against what so many black and Latino children face while living in mostly white settings: being profiled by neighbors, followed in stores and stopped by police simply because their race makes them suspect. But it happened nevertheless in July, when I was 100 miles away. It was a Tuesday afternoon when my 15-year-old son called from his academic summer program at a leafy New England boarding school (I’ve changed its name here) and told me that as he was walking across campus, a gray Acura with a broken rear taillight pulled up beside him. Two men leaned out of the car and glared at him. “Are you the only nigger at Mellon Academy?” one shouted. Certain that he had not heard them correctly, my son moved closer to the curb, and asked politely, “I’m sorry; I didn’t hear you.” But he had heard correctly. And this time the man spoke more clearly. “Only … nigger,” he said with added emphasis. My son froze. He dropped his backpack in alarm and stepped back from the idling car. The men honked the horn and drove off, their laughter echoing behind them. By the time he recounted his experience a few minutes later, my son was back in his dorm room, ensconced on the third floor of a red-brick fortress. He tried to grasp the meaning of the story as he told it: why the men chose to stop him, why they did it in broad daylight, why they were so calm and deliberate. “Why would they do that — to me?” he whispered breathlessly into the phone. “Dad, they don’t know me. And they weren’t acting drunk. It’s just 3:30 in the afternoon. They could see me, and I could see them!” My son rambled on, describing the car and the men, asking questions that I couldn’t completely answer. One very clear and cogent query was why, in Connecticut in 2014, grown men would target a student who wasn’t bothering them to harass in broad daylight. The men intended to be menacing. “They got so close — like they were trying to ask directions. … They were definitely trying to scare me,” he said. “Are you OK?” I interrupted. “Are you —” “Yeah,” he continued anxiously. “I’m OK. I guess. … Do you think they saw which dorm I went back to? Maybe I shouldn’t have told my roommate. Should I stay in my dorm and not go to the library tonight?” Despite his reluctance, I insisted that he report the incident to the school. His chief concern was not wanting the white students and administrators to think of him as being special, different, or “racial.” That was his word. “If the other kids around here find out that I was called a nigger, and that I complained about it,” my son pleaded, “then they will call me ‘racial,’ and will be thinking about race every time they see me. I can’t have that.” For the next four weeks of the summer program, my son remained leery of cars that slowed in his proximity (he’s still leery today). He avoided sidewalks, choosing instead to walk on campus lawns. And he worried continually about being perceived as racially odd or different. Herein lay the difference between my son’s black childhood and my own. Not only was I assaulted by the N-word so much earlier in life — at age 7, while visiting relatives in Memphis — but I also had many other experiences that differentiated my life from the lives of my white childhood friends. There was no way that they would “forget” that I was different. The times, in fact, dictated that they should not forget; our situation would be unavoidably “racial.” When my family moved into our home in an all-white neighborhood in suburban New York in December 1967, at the height of the black-power movement and the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.’s civil rights marches, integration did not — at all — mean assimilation. So my small Afro, the three African dashiki-style shirts that I wore to school every other week, and the Southern-style deep-fried chicken and watermelon slices that my Southern-born mother placed lovingly in my school lunchbox all elicited surprise and questions from the white kids who regarded me suspiciously as they walked to school or sat with me in the cafeteria. After all, in the 1960s, it was an “event” — and generally not a trouble-free one — when a black family integrated a white neighborhood. Our welcome was nothing like the comically naive portrayal carried off by Sidney Poitier and his white fiancee’s liberal family members in the film Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner, which had opened the very month that we moved in. It wasn’t about awkward pauses, lingering stares and subtle attempts of “throwing shade” our way. It was often blatant and sometimes ugly. Brokers openly refused to show houses to my parents in any of the neighborhoods that we requested, and once we found a house in The New York Times Sunday classifieds, the seller demanded a price almost 25 percent higher than listed in the paper. (My parents paid it.) A day after Mom and Dad signed the contract, a small band of neighbors circulated a petition that outlined their desire to pre-emptively buy the house from the seller to circumvent its sale to us. My parents were so uncertain of this new racial adventure that they held onto our prior house for another four years — renting it on a year-to-year lease — “just in case,” as my mother always warned, with trepidation on her tongue. Referred to as “that black family that moved onto Soundview,” we never quite felt in step with our surroundings. A year after moving in, my 9-year-old brother was pulling me down our quiet street in his red-and-white Radio Flyer wagon when we were accosted by a siren-screaming police car. An officer stepped out shouting, “Now, where did you boys steal that wagon?” Pointing breathlessly to our house a few yards away, we tried to explain that it was my brother’s new wagon, but the officer ushered us into the back seat. Our anguished mother heard the siren and ran across three lawns to intervene. What I remember most is how it captured the powerlessness and racial isolation that defined our childhood in that neighborhood. We never encountered drawn or discharged guns like those faced by unarmed black teenagers Trayvon Martin in Sanford, Fla., or Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo. But I was followed, stopped and questioned in local stores and on local streets frequently enough that I wondered whether my parents would have been better able to protect us from these racial brushes had they been rich, famous, or powerful — or if they had been better acquainted with the white world in which they immersed us. Perhaps I was naive to think that if they had been raised outside segregated Southern neighborhoods and schools, they would have been better able to help us navigate the life we were living. In the 1970s, I imagined that the privileged children of rich and famous blacks like Diana Ross, Bill Cosby or Sidney Poitier were untouched by the insults and stops that we faced. Even though the idea wasn’t fully formed, I somehow assumed that privilege would insulate a person from discrimination. This was years before I would learn of the research by Peggy McIntosh, the Wellesley College professor who coined the phrase “white male privilege,” to describe the inherent advantages one group in our society has over others in terms of freedom from discriminatory stops, profiling and arrests. As a teenager, I didn’t have such a sophisticated view, other than to wish I were privileged enough to escape the bias I encountered. And that was the goal we had in mind as my wife and I raised our kids. We both had careers in white firms that represented the best in law, banking and consulting; we attended schools and shared dorm rooms with white friends and had strong ties to our community (including my service, for the last 12 years, as chairman of the county police board). I was certain that my Princeton and Harvard Law degrees and economic privilege not only would empower me to navigate the mostly white neighborhoods and institutions that my kids inhabited, but would provide a cocoon to protect them from the bias I had encountered growing up. My wife and I used our knowledge of white upper-class life to envelop our sons and daughter in a social armor that we felt would repel discriminatory attacks. We outfitted them in uniforms that we hoped would help them escape profiling in stores and public areas: pastel-colored, non-hooded sweatshirts; cleanly pressed, belted, non-baggy khaki pants; tightly-laced white tennis sneakers; Top-Sider shoes; conservative blazers; rep ties; closely cropped hair; and no sunglasses. Never any sunglasses. No overzealous police officer or store owner was going to profile our child as a neighborhood shoplifter. With our son’s flawless diction and deferential demeanor, no neighbor or play date parent would ever worry that he was casing their home or yard. Seeing the unwillingness of taxis to stop for him in our East Side Manhattan neighborhood, and noting how some white women clutched their purses when he walked by or entered an elevator, we came up with even more rules for our three children: 1. Never run while in the view of a police officer or security person unless it is apparent that you are jogging for exercise, because a cynical observer might think you are fleeing a crime or about to assault someone. 2. Carry a small tape recorder in the car, and when you are the driver or passenger (even in the back seat) and the vehicle has been stopped by the police, keep your hands high where they can be seen, and maintain a friendly and nonquestioning demeanor. 3. Always zip your backpack firmly closed or leave it in the car or with the cashier so that you will not be suspected of shoplifting. 4. Never leave a shop without a receipt, no matter how small the purchase, so that you can’t be accused unfairly of theft. 5. If going separate ways after a get-together with friends and you are using taxis, ask your white friend to hail your cab first, so that you will not be left stranded without transportation. 6. When unsure about the proper attire for a play date or party, err on the side of being more formal in your clothing selection. 7. Do not go for pleasure walks in any residential neighborhood after sundown, and never carry any dark-colored or metallic object that could be mistaken as a weapon, even a non-illuminated flashlight. 8. If you must wear a T-shirt to an outdoor play event or on a public street, it should have the name of a respected and recognizable school emblazoned on its front. 9. When entering a small store of any type, immediately make friendly eye contact with the shopkeeper or cashier, smile, and say “good morning” or “good afternoon.” These are just a few of the humbling rules that my wife and I have enforced to keep our children safer while living integrated lives. For years, our kids — who have heard stories of officers mistakenly arresting or shooting black teens who the officers “thought” were reaching for a weapon or running toward them in a menacing way — have registered their annoyance at having to follow them. (My 12-year-old daughter saw the importance of the rules when, in late August, she and I were stopped by a county police officer who apparently was curious about a black man driving an expensive car. He later apologized.) Not many months ago, my children and I sat in the sprawling living room of two black bankers in Rye, N.Y., who had brought together three dozen affluent African-American parents and their children for a workshop on how to interact with law enforcement in their mostly white communities. Two police detectives and two criminal-court judges — all African-American — provided practical suggestions on how to minimize the likelihood of the adolescents being profiled or mistakenly hit by a Taser or shot by inexperienced security guards or police officers. Some of the parents and most of the kids sat smugly, passing around platters of vegetables and smoked salmon — while it helped to have the lessons reinforced by police officers, we had all heard it many times before. My kids and I had it all figured out. Or so we thought. The boarding-school incident this summer was a turning point for us — particularly for my son and his younger siblings. Being called a nigger was, of course, a depressing moment for us all. But it was also a moment that helped bring our surroundings into clearer focus. The fact that it happened just days before the police shooting of Michael Brown increased its resonance for our family. It also was a lesson for us to grasp that some white men may believe such acts are really no big deal. I called a dean at the boarding school, who seemed to justify the incident as something that “just happens” in a place where “town-and-gown relations” are strained, but he had little else to say. My son’s school adviser never contacted me about the incident, acting with the same indifference that so many black parents have come to expect. After I reached out to them, I never heard from either man again. Like so many whites who observe our experiences, these two privileged white males treated the incident like a “one-off” that demanded no follow-up and that quickly would be forgotten. Through no fault of their own, many white men, I think, are unaware or unappreciative of the white male privilege that they enjoy every day, which Wellesley professor McIntosh wrote about in her studies of race, gender, class and privilege. They have no idea how much they take for granted, or know of the burdens endured daily by many people in their own communities. Nor do they appreciate the lingering effects of such burdens and daily traumas. Perhaps many feel that racism is inconsequential, if not altogether dead. After all, as some of my white colleagues have pointed out cynically, how much racism can there be if the country elected a black president? Let me say that to acknowledge that white male privilege exists does not mean that white privileged men are hostile or racist — or that all bad things that happen to black people are occurring only because of racial bigotry. But I am no better able to explain the lackadaisical response of the two white men to whom I reported the incident than I am able to explain the motives of the two white men who called my son a nigger in the first place. And perhaps this is why it is so difficult to fairly and productively discuss the privilege (or burdens) that are enjoyed (or endured) by groups to which we don’t belong. Try as I may to see things from the perspective of a white person, I can see them only from the experience that I have as a black man and had as a black boy. As we observe each other and think that we have a close understanding of what it means to be black, white, Hispanic, Asian, male, female, rich or poor, we really don’t — and very often we find ourselves gazing at each other through the wrong end of the telescope. We see things that we think are there but really aren’t. And the relevant subtleties linger just outside our view, eluding us. Lawrence Otis Graham is an attorney in New York and the author of 14 books, including “Our Kind of People” and “The Senator and the Socialite.” This essay is adapted from a piece published originally in the Princeton Alumni Weekly. Follow him on Twitter at @LawrenceOGraham. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Jan 27 13:16:51 2015, in response to Re: Really Dave??????, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Jan 27 13:02:45 2015. I can never fully understand how someone like Davey is in such denial of the truth? is his feeble brain that much corrupted by the likes of Bill O'Reilly? or Rev. Huckabee? |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Jan 27 13:29:10 2015, in response to Re: Really Dave??????, posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Jan 27 13:16:51 2015. yep !!true IAWTP davey from texasss !! |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Jan 27 13:57:19 2015, in response to Re: Really Dave?????? PART III, posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Jan 27 13:06:53 2015. trueIAWTP ! |
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Posted by Dave on Tue Jan 27 14:12:16 2015, in response to Re: Really Dave?????? PART II, posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Jan 27 12:55:28 2015. I'm saying that anyone can carry a gun, Streetie. How is the cop supposed to know whether or not the student is carrying? Is it your claim that students on college campuses never carry guns?Why have you not told us what your review of Yale police records showed, hmmm? Funny things, facts - those who have 'em, produce 'em. Those who don't, bloviate...and you're doing a damn fine job of polluting SubChat with your hot air. |
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Posted by Dave on Tue Jan 27 14:15:34 2015, in response to Re: Really Dave??????, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Jan 27 11:54:27 2015. 
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Jan 27 14:21:27 2015, in response to Re: Really Dave?????? PART III, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Jan 27 13:57:19 2015. He is so blinded with stupidity and he can't admit it. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Jan 27 14:25:39 2015, in response to Re: Really Dave?????? PART II, posted by Dave on Tue Jan 27 14:12:16 2015. "I'm saying that anyone can carry a gun, Streetie. How is the cop supposed to know whether or not the student is carrying? Is it your claim that students on college campuses never carry guns?Why have you not told us what your review of Yale police records showed, hmmm? Funny things, facts - those who have 'em, produce 'em. Those who don't, bloviate...and you're doing a damn fine job of polluting SubChat with your hot air." Why would a young Black male attending college at Yale need to carry a gun? is there something YOU care to fill us ALL in on? eh? Do students at Yale normally carry a gun? is there really a need to? eh? do you not see what I am try to tell your feeble brain? eh? do you not understand the degree of racial profiling in this country we call America towards minorities? |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Jan 27 14:26:29 2015, in response to Re: Really Dave??????, posted by Dave on Tue Jan 27 14:15:34 2015. 
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Jan 27 14:27:02 2015, in response to Re: Really Dave??????, posted by Dave on Tue Jan 27 14:15:34 2015. 
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Jan 27 14:30:13 2015, in response to Re: Really Dave??????, posted by Dave on Tue Jan 27 14:15:34 2015. When you were at college...wherever that may have been.....did you take a course in racial profiling or not? or at least a course in race relations? you are so oblivious to the race relations here in America...why? |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Jan 27 14:42:50 2015, in response to Re: Really Dave??????, posted by Dave on Tue Jan 27 14:15:34 2015. http://wgbhnews.org/post/racial-profiling-campus-every-black-man-suspectRacial Profiling On Campus: 'Every Black Man Is A Suspect' By Will Roseliep 01/26/15 Rev. Irene Monroe and Rev. Emmett G. Price III joined Jim Braude and Margery Eagan for their regular Monday feature, "All Revved Up," on Boston Public Radio. The two reverends talked about racial profiling on college campuses, as well as politicians speaking at religious events. They also offered another rating of Pope Francis in their weekly "Pope Watch." New York Times columnist Charles Blow recently wrote about how his African American son was detained by campus police at Yale University. The police ordered his son to his knees at gunpoint. Is anyone shocked by these kinds of incidents now? Rev. Monroe: It happens all the time. (...) While we're shocked that it happened on Yale's campus, (...) you see this also at Harvard. I'll always remember my first year at Harvard when Professor Allen Counter (...) got stopped. [It reminds me of] the way South Africans used their IDs as a way to identify themselves during apartheid. (...) Every black man [is a suspect]. Rev. Price: Is it appropriate for the guns to be drawn in the first place? If the police say, 'Stop where you are, make your hands available,' are the guns necessary for that? Rev. Monroe: These kids panic. So, as much as you will tell your son (...) 'acquiesce to whatever the police say,' there are moments when some of us run. The fight-or-flight. Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal spoke at Baton Rouge prayer rally over the weekend. Is it appropriate for politicians to use the church as a speaking platform? Should religious groups invite politicians to speak? Rev. Price: When you politicize religion and spiritual beliefs we have a huge problem. (...) If Bobby Jindal was the kind of person as we described [Pres.] Jimmy Carter, then it wouldn't be an issue. (...) The prayer rally is sponsored by the American Family Association, who the Southern Poverty Law Center has classified as a hate group. Rev. Monroe: How do you feel about having a governor like this? What if you're Jewish? What if you're atheist? (...) Rick Perry did something quite like this, a tent revival [in 2011]. Will the GOP and evangelicals always move in lockstep? Rev. Monroe: I think what they're realizing is that they're a political liability. (...) They need to craft a different platform and not replicate the one that didn't work in the last election. There was much news in the past week about Pope Francis, including his trip to the Phillipines. What rating does he get this week for Pope Watch? Rev. Monroe: A tepid — not a robust — three. (...) [Francis said], 'Women have a lot of things to say to us in today's society. Sometimes we're too chauvinistic.' I almost fainted. Rev. Price: The heavens have moved! The Reverend Irene Monroe is a syndicated religion columnist who writes for Huffington Post and Bay Windows. The Reverend Emmett G. Price III is the author of The Black Church and Hip Hop Culture, and a professor of music at Northeastern University. |
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Posted by Dave on Tue Jan 27 15:11:48 2015, in response to Re: Really Dave?????? PART II, posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Jan 27 14:25:39 2015. Avoiding the issue is your way of life here, Streetie. Schools in Arkansas, Colorado, Idaho, Kansas, Mississippi, Oregon, Utah and Wisconsin legally permit students to carry guns on campus. In other states, just because it isn't allowed doesn't mean it isn't happening.How about you get back to us when you find out about those Yale police stop and detain statistics, okay? Stop wasting our time otherwise with your blather. |
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Posted by Dave on Tue Jan 27 15:12:18 2015, in response to Re: Really Dave??????, posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Jan 27 14:27:02 2015. LOL!!! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 27 15:19:57 2015, in response to Re: Really Dave??????, posted by Train Dude on Tue Jan 27 08:08:35 2015. And he doesn't like Jews. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 27 15:21:26 2015, in response to MY Life at Yale as a Black student in 2015, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Jan 26 13:37:57 2015. Can't wait for the other side of the story. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Jan 27 15:24:21 2015, in response to Re: Really Dave?????? PART II, posted by Dave on Tue Jan 27 15:11:48 2015. "How about you get back to us when you find out about those Yale police stop and detain statistics, okay? Stop wasting our time otherwise with your blather. "So you are in agreement that people of color who attend an Ivy League school are to be treated in such a manner as this young man......why? |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Jan 27 15:25:56 2015, in response to Re: My Life at Yale as a Black student in 2015, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 27 15:19:57 2015. "And he doesn't like Jews."Prove that now.....I dare you......to spew your anti-Semitic rants. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Jan 27 15:28:04 2015, in response to Re: My Life at Yale as a Black student in 2015, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 27 15:21:26 2015. "Can't wait for the other side of the story."Sure...wait til you see on Bill O'Reilly's show or Rev. Huckabee's show.......one of those 2 clowns would have the "other side" that you so cherish.....you know.....the conservative blockheads. |
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Posted by Dave on Tue Jan 27 15:35:18 2015, in response to Re: Really Dave?????? PART II, posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Jan 27 15:24:21 2015. Stop wasting our time, Streetie. If you can't answer the question with facts, move on to another rant. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Jan 27 15:36:25 2015, in response to Re: Really Dave?????? PART III, posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Jan 27 14:21:27 2015. IAWTP !!dave from texasss |
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