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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 27 11:54:19 2014 A.B.S.
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Dec 27 12:45:16 2014, in response to Trayvon's progenitors condemn "Dead Cops" protesters, speak out against violence, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 27 11:54:19 2014. One privilege not enjoyed by blacks or those who protest excessive police tactics is the privilege to not be automatically associated with a lunatic fringe.The tragic killings and beatings of NYPD officers were used to tarnish all the protesters. This has required many different people to come forward to explicitly denounce such actions. Many times such statements are met with skepticism by the tarnishers. Consider terrible crimes perpetrated by whites. I'm referring to the numerous school massacres. Nobody has demanded that whites issue statements denouncing such acts. If the NRA should demonstrate in favor of gun rights, nobody suggests that the NRA supports random killing of innocent school children. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Dec 27 13:12:01 2014, in response to Re: Trayvon's progenitors condemn ''Dead Cops'' protesters, speak out against violence, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Dec 27 12:45:16 2014. Oppressive types hate any protest and will tar and feather where they can. The actions of 60 will be used to paint with a broad brush across all protestors.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Dec 27 13:15:56 2014, in response to Trayvon's progenitors condemn "Dead Cops" protesters, speak out against violence, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 27 11:54:19 2014. How come Trayvon called a girl in Miami instead of the cops if he thought he was in trouble when he was being chased by Zimmerman?Florida is all minorities and evangelical Christians sprinkled with a few pockets of NY civil servants who spend thirty years or more ranting and raving about moving to Florida and when they do, they just sit indoors and don't enjoy the weather. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Dec 27 13:27:32 2014, in response to Re: Trayvon's progenitors condemn ''Dead Cops'' protesters, speak out against violence, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Dec 27 12:45:16 2014. This has required many different people to come forward to explicitly denounce such actions. Many times such statements are met with skepticism by the tarnishers.Biden going to Queens is a great example. Consider terrible crimes perpetrated by whites. I'm referring to the numerous school massacres. Nobody has demanded that whites issue statements denouncing such acts. If the NRA should demonstrate in favor of gun rights, nobody suggests that the NRA supports random killing of innocent school children. But the black guy who killed two cops in Brooklyn specifically stated he was killing in the name of Ferguson and Staten Island. When the massacres are done in the name of all the white people who suffer at the hands of blacks you'll have a case. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 27 13:38:27 2014, in response to Re: Trayvon's progenitors condemn ''Dead Cops'' protesters, speak out against violence, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Dec 27 12:45:16 2014. That's a load of hooey. It is they themselves who deliberately associate with said lunatic fringe, and then have to backpedal when the poison fruits start to bud. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 27 13:40:06 2014, in response to Re: Trayvon's progenitors condemn ''Dead Cops'' protesters, speak out against violence, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Dec 27 12:45:16 2014. That's a load of hooey. It is they themselves who deliberately associate with said lunatic fringe, and then have to backpedal when the poison fruits start to bud.Oh: are you claiming that De Blasio himself is black? Thanks for the racism, too. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Dec 27 13:40:42 2014, in response to Trayvon's progenitors condemn "Dead Cops" protesters, speak out against violence, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 27 11:54:19 2014. bullshit |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 27 13:40:53 2014, in response to Re: Trayvon's progenitors condemn ''Dead Cops'' protesters, speak out against violence, posted by Fred G on Sat Dec 27 13:12:01 2014. So who has Louis Head, Al Sharpton and the like "tarred and feathered"? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Dec 27 13:50:38 2014, in response to Re: Trayvon's progenitors condemn ''Dead Cops'' protesters, speak out against violence, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Dec 27 12:45:16 2014. What a crock of shit. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Dec 27 13:51:37 2014, in response to Re: Trayvon's progenitors condemn ''Dead Cops'' protesters, speak out against violence, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Dec 27 13:27:32 2014. Jared Loughner specifically targeted Rep. Giffords. His anti-government rants were well-known before he went on his massacre. He was also a rightist, expressing disturbing views on abortion, blacks, and big government, according to numerous sources.Shouldn't you, with your own extreme-rightist views, expressed so often in this forum, distance yourself from the actions of rightists like Loughner and movie-theater massacre suspect James Holmes? |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Dec 27 13:51:51 2014, in response to Re: Trayvon's progenitors condemn ''Dead Cops'' protesters, speak out against violence, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Dec 27 12:45:16 2014. IAWTP ! |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Dec 27 13:58:01 2014, in response to Re: Trayvon's progenitors condemn ''Dead Cops'' protesters, speak out against violence, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Dec 27 13:51:37 2014. I'm pro abortion and could give two fucks about gay marriage and legal marijuana. And my voting record proves it. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 27 14:04:45 2014, in response to Re: Trayvon's progenitors condemn ''Dead Cops'' protesters, speak out against violence, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Dec 27 13:58:01 2014. So you're "the element". |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 27 14:05:43 2014, in response to Re: Trayvon's progenitors condemn ''Dead Cops'' protesters, speak out against violence, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Dec 27 13:40:42 2014. What, specifically? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Dec 27 14:11:47 2014, in response to Re: Trayvon's progenitors condemn ''Dead Cops'' protesters, speak out against violence, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 27 14:04:45 2014. yes. |
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Posted by FtGreeneG on Sat Dec 27 14:27:30 2014, in response to Re: Trayvon's progenitors condemn ''Dead Cops'' protesters, speak out against violence, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Dec 27 12:45:16 2014. +1. It's using guilt as a form of censorship. And that double standard has always been around. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 27 15:05:29 2014, in response to Re: Trayvon's progenitors condemn ''Dead Cops'' protesters, speak out against violence, posted by FtGreeneG on Sat Dec 27 14:27:30 2014. You're letting him talk down to you?Guilt is not innocence, you know. You just said that it's OK for evil to run amok. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Dec 27 16:36:19 2014, in response to Re: Trayvon's progenitors condemn ''Dead Cops'' protesters, speak out against violence, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 27 15:05:29 2014. Clever play on words there, pretending that guilt is synonymous with evil and/or criminality. Under current usage of the word, however, it is possible to feel guilty without having committed a crime or having done evil. |
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Posted by FtGreeneG on Sat Dec 27 17:10:46 2014, in response to Re: Trayvon's progenitors condemn ''Dead Cops'' protesters, speak out against violence, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 27 15:05:29 2014. ??? I stated or implied no such thing. Stephen Baumen said or implied no such thing from what I read. |
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Posted by FtGreeneG on Sat Dec 27 17:20:00 2014, in response to Re: Trayvon's progenitors condemn ''Dead Cops'' protesters, speak out against violence, posted by AlM on Sat Dec 27 16:36:19 2014. Basically. There's a difference between feeling terrible that the two police officer's lost their lives and actually feeling guilty for being the cause(which is not the case)no matter who tries to use this tragic event to villify and censor ppl speaking out. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Dec 27 17:55:07 2014, in response to Re: Trayvon's progenitors condemn ''Dead Cops'' protesters, speak out against violence, posted by FtGreeneG on Sat Dec 27 17:20:00 2014. No ..the left extremists caused this with doing up the nut base |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 27 19:17:29 2014, in response to Re: Trayvon's progenitors condemn ''Dead Cops'' protesters, speak out against violence, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Dec 27 17:55:07 2014. Correct.Funny how those who express pride in being on the left don't even understand the philosophy of the left. |
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Posted by The silence on Sat Dec 27 19:53:12 2014, in response to Re: Trayvon's progenitors condemn ''Dead Cops'' protesters, speak out against violence, posted by Fred G on Sat Dec 27 13:12:01 2014. Hey, the actions of a two cops are being used to paint a broad stroke on all police officers. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Dec 27 19:55:35 2014, in response to Re: Trayvon's progenitors condemn ''Dead Cops'' protesters, speak out against violence, posted by The silence on Sat Dec 27 19:53:12 2014. Your painting with broad strokes yourself there, fella. One can support law enforcement and still demand accountability.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Dec 27 20:49:56 2014, in response to Re: Trayvon's progenitors condemn ''Dead Cops'' protesters, speak out against violence, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Dec 27 17:55:07 2014. You mean like the Danish cartoonist was responsible for the 200 murders that followed his dissing Mohammed? If one was a reprehensible provocation, then so was the other. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Dec 27 21:29:16 2014, in response to Re: Trayvon's progenitors condemn ''Dead Cops'' protesters, speak out against violence, posted by AlM on Sat Dec 27 20:49:56 2014. pwn3d |
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Posted by The silence on Sat Dec 27 22:15:02 2014, in response to Re: Trayvon's progenitors condemn ''Dead Cops'' protesters, speak out against violence, posted by Fred G on Sat Dec 27 19:55:35 2014. No, you can't.Not unless you can apply a similar rule to others. If I can complain about the behavior of members of the urban African American community without being labeled a racist for saying something negative about black people, then you can pull out that line. But until that happens, you will support the police and not say anything negative about them less you be labeled a cop hatter... I mean, if I can't say "rap music often glorifies violence" without some idiot responding "you hate black people", why should you be allowed to demand cops be held responsible for their actions without someone responding "you must hate cops". In a truly "equal" society, which last time I checked is what everyone wanted, one is supposed to be required hold everyone to the same standards. Rap music has directly lead to deaths. Do I need to mention Tupac and Notorius B.I.G.? Both murdered by supportes of the other over music. I can't think of any fans of painters who act that way. I can't think of fans of actors, or competing media franchises that act that way. Gene Roddenybury died from cancer, not from a Star Wars fan shooting him, because shit like that doesn't happen. So I think allowed me to have a critical oppinion of rap music. Now, are all black people rappers or rap fans? That would be an obvious no. There are white rappers, there are Asian rappers. The most watched YouTube video is of a Korean rap song. The first act since the Beatles (who were the first to do this) to take the top two spots of the Billboard hot 100 during thier debut on the charts is Iggy Azalia, a rapper who is #1, white; #2 female and #3 Australian. She topped as lead with "Fancy" and as a featured artist on Ariana Grande's "Problem". Which therefor means rap is not limited to one ethnicity, nationality or gender. So why can someone label me a racist over a factual observation of something that has no racial connotations anymore. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Dec 27 22:18:36 2014, in response to Re: Trayvon's progenitors condemn ''Dead Cops'' protesters, speak out against violence, posted by The silence on Sat Dec 27 22:15:02 2014. I don't disagree with you.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Dec 27 23:44:30 2014, in response to Re: Trayvon's progenitors condemn ''Dead Cops'' protesters, speak out against violence, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Dec 27 12:45:16 2014. There is a difference between an organization that supports responsible gun ownership and a riotous mob that blocks traffic, disrupts private businesses, commits acts of vandalism and chants "kill Cops", etc. But I'm quite sure that you knew that your argument was ridiculous when you made it. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Dec 28 10:14:10 2014, in response to Re: Trayvon's progenitors condemn ''Dead Cops'' protesters, speak out against violence, posted by Train Dude on Sat Dec 27 23:44:30 2014. You just proved my point.an organization that supports responsible gun ownership and a riotous mob that blocks traffic, disrupts private businesses, commits acts of vandalism... Re-read what I wrote. The comparison should be between fringe groups like those "riotous mobs" and people like Adam Lanza who commit school massacres. Next, look at the standards placed on advocacy groups that don't commit or advocate violent acts. You characterized the NRA as an "organization that supports responsible gun ownership." There are many who would disagree with that assessment. What standards have you placed on the NRA to both denounce school massacres and assist on preventing recurrences? They have been given a free pass and their advocacy efforts are not linked to such massacres. What about groups that protest what they consider police overreach? Fewer than 10 participants of the tens of thousands of participants on the NYC march protesting are accused of violent acts. So far as is known, none of those accused has been linked to the protest march organizers. In your eyes, do the protest march organizers bear as little responsibility for the actions of the accused as the NRA does for Adam Lanza's actions? |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Dec 28 10:26:07 2014, in response to Re: Trayvon's progenitors condemn ''Dead Cops'' protesters, speak out against violence, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Dec 28 10:14:10 2014. Your comparison of the NRA to the protestors is a good one.You can argue for or against the proposition that the actions of the leaders of the NRA (or the leaders of the protest) are good for the country, or bad for the country (or a combination, for that matter). But you can't really argue that either group of people should not be allowed to do what they are doing. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Dec 28 10:28:07 2014, in response to Re: Trayvon's progenitors condemn ''Dead Cops'' protesters, speak out against violence, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Dec 28 10:14:10 2014. More bullshit? Adam Lanza was not a responsible gun owner. He was a criminal who obtained guns illegally. Again, are you also going to try to claim that only 10 people blocked traffic and delayed thousands? Are you saying that only 10 people committed acts of vandalism or just 10 good citizens taunted police and chanted "kill cops"?Thank you for proving that you are just another out of touch liberal. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Dec 28 10:35:33 2014, in response to Trayvon's progenitors condemn "Dead Cops" protesters, speak out against violence, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 27 11:54:19 2014. Trayvon's killing had nothing to do with the police. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Dec 28 11:11:53 2014, in response to Re: Trayvon's progenitors condemn ''Dead Cops'' protesters, speak out against violence, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Dec 28 10:35:33 2014. I certainly didn't claim it did. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Dec 28 11:20:42 2014, in response to Re: Trayvon's progenitors condemn ''Dead Cops'' protesters, speak out against violence, posted by Train Dude on Sun Dec 28 10:28:07 2014. are you also going to try to claim that only 10 people blocked traffic and delayed thousands?The protest organizers obtained a parade permit. NYPD approved the route and issued guidelines as to how the parade was to proceed. NYPD and NYCDOT assessed the impact on other traffic. They found such delays acceptable. They would not have issued a permit for this route otherwise. If blocking traffic and delaying thousands were such a high civic priority, there would be no parades in NYC. However, you're holding this protest march to a higher priority. Historically, far more people are arrested during the St. Patrick's Day Parade, yet you are not questioning the organizer's right to march. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Dec 28 11:25:20 2014, in response to Re: Trayvon's progenitors condemn ''Dead Cops'' protesters, speak out against violence, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Dec 28 11:20:42 2014. There were some unauthorized semi-spontaneous marches that did cause extensive traffic problems, like the march across the Brooklyn Bridge where two police lieutenants were injured. But since you were specifically discussing the organizers, that is of course irrelevant to your original point. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Dec 28 12:34:14 2014, in response to Re: Trayvon's progenitors condemn ''Dead Cops'' protesters, speak out against violence, posted by AlM on Sun Dec 28 11:25:20 2014. There were some unauthorized semi-spontaneous marches that did cause extensive traffic problems, like the march across the Brooklyn Bridge where two police lieutenants were injured.I have no knowledge to the specifics regarding the decision to use Brooklyn Bridge's Manhattan bound roadway in this instance. I can make an educated guess because I'm involved with the planning and operation of a yearly event in NYC. Most of the planning will concern itself with the actual parade. The mechanics of assembly and dispersal get very little attention. Those details will receive attention in the next iteration. The march ended with a rally in Police Plaza. The only obvious exit to those not familiar with PP is to go through the Municipal Building arch. They are met with the intersection of Chambers and Centre Streets. There's a safety issue with trying to stop thousands of pedestrians within a confined space. Therefore, the decision was made that priority should be given to emptying PP by halting vehicular traffic on Centre St. The next problem was how to accommodate those who wished to walk to Brooklyn. The Brooklyn Bridge Promenade cannot handle masses of walkers. It has trouble handling the number of walkers on a weekend day. The Manhattan bound Brooklyn Bridge roadway traffic was tied up by the decision to allow the marchers to continuously cross Centre St. The NYPD has had a lot of experience in closing entrances for the Brooklyn Bridge's Manhattan bound roadway. The Brooklyn bound roadway deck is being replaced and direction is reversed during the late night hours. The holy grail for NYC traffic management is get the vehicles out of Manhattan. Placing the marchers on the Manhattan bound roadway would not violate this principle. NYPD made a decision to get those marchers out of Manhattan by using the Brooklyn Bridge's Manhattan bound roadway. The pictures I've seen don't show any cars on the roadway. This implies that the detours in Brooklyn were in place. The cars were stuck on the BQE not the Bridge. It would not be the first time that a Brooklyn Bridge roadway was used to get people out of Manhattan. The 9/11 evacuation used the roadways for fleeing pedestrians. All of this is supposition. It's based on my experience and also by the fact that nobody was detained for walking on the Brooklyn Bridge roadway. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Dec 28 12:45:00 2014, in response to Re: Trayvon's progenitors condemn ''Dead Cops'' protesters, speak out against violence, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Dec 28 12:34:14 2014. Ignorance is bliss. Of course you are not going to try to claim that each and every subsequent protest marches were done under permit and weren't the stage for more criminal behavior,are you? |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Dec 28 14:31:19 2014, in response to Re: Trayvon's progenitors condemn ''Dead Cops'' protesters, speak out against violence, posted by Train Dude on Sun Dec 28 12:45:00 2014. . Of course you are not going to try to claim that each and every subsequent protest marches were done under permit and weren't the stage for more criminal behavior,are you?There's that double standard. What you are asking is equivalent to gun rights activists claiming that each and every unrestricted gun sale will not result in criminal behavior. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Dec 28 15:09:14 2014, in response to Re: Trayvon's progenitors condemn ''Dead Cops'' protesters, speak out against violence, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Dec 28 14:31:19 2014. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Dec 28 15:10:57 2014, in response to Re: Trayvon's progenitors condemn ''Dead Cops'' protesters, speak out against violence, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Dec 28 14:31:19 2014. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Dec 28 15:11:22 2014, in response to Re: Trayvon's progenitors condemn ''Dead Cops'' protesters, speak out against violence, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Dec 28 14:31:19 2014. There's your liberal incoherence again. For starters, it was YOU who compared the actions of a lone loon with the NRA. You've still not addressed the vandalism and other criminal acts committed during illegal protest marches. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Dec 28 15:11:27 2014, in response to Re: Trayvon's progenitors condemn ''Dead Cops'' protesters, speak out against violence, posted by AlM on Sun Dec 28 10:26:07 2014. it's not a good comparison.The African-America who shot the two cops did it in the name of two dead blacks by extension in support of the current protests. Adam Lanza and the NRA are not comparable. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Dec 28 17:04:45 2014, in response to Re: Trayvon's progenitors condemn ''Dead Cops'' protesters, speak out against violence, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Dec 28 15:11:27 2014. You can argue that if it weren't for the NRA, Lanza would not have been able to buy 30 round magazines, and would have killed fewer people. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Dec 28 18:48:55 2014, in response to Re: Trayvon's progenitors condemn ''Dead Cops'' protesters, speak out against violence, posted by AlM on Sun Dec 28 17:04:45 2014. How many people will die or lives changed from serious injuries on New Year's Eve because of alcohol? But that does not matter to liberal elements.Bauman probably lives in an apartment in Queens where home invasions are almost unheard of. He can't relate to people living in a private home, in an neighborhood where there have been some home invasions, and he looks down on anyone not living in an apartment. The killing of the cops in NYC last week was an extension of the protests and attitude in the African-American community as a whole. Lanza was not an extension of any movement. |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Sun Dec 28 19:20:39 2014, in response to Re: Trayvon's progenitors condemn ''Dead Cops'' protesters, speak out against violence, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Dec 28 18:48:55 2014. I think the SelkirkTMO just accused me of something untoward but I am not sure. Meanwhile, I am about to go after TheHat in the "Darius" thread on the other board. I am not afraid of him anymore even though I'll probably get annihilated. I just don't care anymore. Do you remember TheHat is a Stinky Buffoon thread? I thought that was pretty good. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Dec 28 20:37:06 2014, in response to Re: Trayvon's progenitors condemn ''Dead Cops'' protesters, speak out against violence, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Dec 28 18:48:55 2014. Interesting! So then the Sandy Hook shooting was, in Baumans mind, an extension of the conservative war on white middle class children. Thank you for helping to explain Baumans thinking. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Dec 28 20:39:27 2014, in response to Re: Trayvon's progenitors condemn ''Dead Cops'' protesters, speak out against violence, posted by Train Dude on Sun Dec 28 20:37:06 2014. Lol....yeah....that's how absurd leftist thinking is. |
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