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Posted by DAND124 on Tue Dec 16 15:07:33 2014 http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/12/16/district-court-declares-obama-immigration-action-unconstitutional/ |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Dec 16 15:25:43 2014, in response to District court declares Obama immigration action unconstitutional, posted by DAND124 on Tue Dec 16 15:07:33 2014. At least wait until it gets to a Circuit Court before we get our bacon in an uproar. |
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Posted by Dave on Tue Dec 16 19:25:06 2014, in response to Re: District court declares Obama immigration action unconstitutional, posted by SLRT on Tue Dec 16 15:25:43 2014. Circuit Court? You mean the 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals? |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Dec 16 20:39:20 2014, in response to Re: District court declares Obama immigration action unconstitutional, posted by Dave on Tue Dec 16 19:25:06 2014. I don't know which Federal Circuit the case is in, but a District Court is just a start. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Dec 16 20:51:20 2014, in response to District court declares Obama immigration action unconstitutional, posted by DAND124 on Tue Dec 16 15:07:33 2014. Jeez, judicial activism run amok. The case did not even raise this issue; the Bush-appointed judge just reached for it for no apparent reason. |
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Posted by FtGreeneG on Tue Dec 16 20:56:52 2014, in response to District court declares Obama immigration action unconstitutional, posted by DAND124 on Tue Dec 16 15:07:33 2014. As Obama said when is congress going to address immigrations with some actual legislation? It's their job to address it why haven't they instead of boohooing about it? I know the answer it's bc it easier to point the finger than offer meaningful solutions. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Dec 16 21:38:47 2014, in response to District court declares Obama immigration action unconstitutional, posted by DAND124 on Tue Dec 16 15:07:33 2014. Would this decision make the same exact actions by Presidents Reagan and Bush Sr. null and void? |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Dec 17 09:42:04 2014, in response to Re: District court declares Obama immigration action unconstitutional, posted by FtGreeneG on Tue Dec 16 20:56:52 2014. Well, a legitimate approach, if not necessarily the best one for the country, is to say that the current laws on the books are fine and no new laws are needed. |
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Posted by FtGreeneG on Wed Dec 17 20:43:30 2014, in response to Re: District court declares Obama immigration action unconstitutional, posted by AlM on Wed Dec 17 09:42:04 2014. I would agree with his approach since it temporary gives productive immigrants in this country time to become legal without the fear of being kicked out at least for now. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Dec 17 21:07:50 2014, in response to Re: District court declares Obama immigration action unconstitutional, posted by FtGreeneG on Wed Dec 17 20:43:30 2014. Hurting your people worse than any group. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Dec 17 21:35:30 2014, in response to Re: District court declares Obama immigration action unconstitutional, posted by FtGreeneG on Tue Dec 16 20:56:52 2014. That's not an excuse for overstepping the laws and set up of the three branches of our government. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 17 21:47:49 2014, in response to Re: District court declares Obama immigration action unconstitutional, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Dec 17 21:35:30 2014. There's never an excuse for that. |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Dec 17 21:48:55 2014, in response to Re: District court declares Obama immigration action unconstitutional, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Dec 17 21:35:30 2014. What laws did he overstep?your pal, Fred |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Dec 18 00:05:16 2014, in response to Re: District court declares Obama immigration action unconstitutional, posted by Fred G on Wed Dec 17 21:48:55 2014. I note how they never answer your factual questions. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Dec 18 01:48:29 2014, in response to Re: District court declares Obama immigration action unconstitutional, posted by Fred G on Wed Dec 17 21:48:55 2014. How can executive action give a non-resident alien the authority to work in the US? Hasn't Congress set up a system of visas for exactly that purpose?I'm not sure if he overstepped any law there, but it strikes me as very possible. |
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Posted by FtGreeneG on Thu Dec 18 03:55:30 2014, in response to Re: District court declares Obama immigration action unconstitutional, posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Dec 17 21:07:50 2014. Outsourcing and overall state of the economy has more effect on 'my people' and middle class/working poor than immigrants. |
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Posted by FtGreeneG on Thu Dec 18 03:56:42 2014, in response to Re: District court declares Obama immigration action unconstitutional, posted by FtGreeneG on Thu Dec 18 03:55:30 2014. Imo of course |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Dec 18 04:04:49 2014, in response to Re: District court declares Obama immigration action unconstitutional, posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Dec 17 21:07:50 2014. What are "my people?" And how are they being hurt? |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu Dec 18 04:11:16 2014, in response to Re: District court declares Obama immigration action unconstitutional, posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Dec 17 21:07:50 2014. who in the F is that ? |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Dec 18 06:28:56 2014, in response to Re: District court declares Obama immigration action unconstitutional, posted by AlM on Thu Dec 18 01:48:29 2014. I dunno, can they expedite the visa process?At any rate I question that blanket statement of his overstepping the law. Your pal, Fred |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Dec 18 06:46:33 2014, in response to Re: District court declares Obama immigration action unconstitutional, posted by Fred G on Thu Dec 18 06:28:56 2014. Its not a blanket statement. The president doesn't draft laws or alter them. |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Dec 18 07:33:07 2014, in response to Re: District court declares Obama immigration action unconstitutional, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Dec 18 06:46:33 2014. What laws did he overstep?Your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Dec 18 07:47:03 2014, in response to Re: District court declares Obama immigration action unconstitutional, posted by AlM on Thu Dec 18 01:48:29 2014. At any rate he's trying to goad Congress into passing legislation. The GOP doesn't want to vote on it because it will go from some vague issue that they can hammer Obama with to real legislation that will likely divide the tea party and the mainstream.Your pal, Fred |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Dec 18 11:04:37 2014, in response to Re: District court declares Obama immigration action unconstitutional, posted by FtGreeneG on Thu Dec 18 03:55:30 2014. They both are everybody. Especially blacks. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Dec 18 11:06:07 2014, in response to Re: District court declares Obama immigration action unconstitutional, posted by Nilet on Thu Dec 18 04:04:49 2014. The influx of foreigners are hurting blacks worse than any group. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Dec 18 11:06:55 2014, in response to Re: District court declares Obama immigration action unconstitutional, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu Dec 18 04:11:16 2014. What the ef is what? |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Dec 18 17:14:36 2014, in response to Re: District court declares Obama immigration action unconstitutional, posted by Fred G on Thu Dec 18 07:33:07 2014. Again no answer. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Dec 18 17:15:34 2014, in response to Re: District court declares Obama immigration action unconstitutional, posted by AlM on Thu Dec 18 01:48:29 2014. Previous Presidents have given such workers temporary work authority with no complaints. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Dec 18 18:10:16 2014, in response to Re: District court declares Obama immigration action unconstitutional, posted by italianstallion on Thu Dec 18 17:14:36 2014. I made a suggestion. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Dec 18 18:11:06 2014, in response to Re: District court declares Obama immigration action unconstitutional, posted by italianstallion on Thu Dec 18 17:15:34 2014. Really? I hadn't read that anywhere. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Dec 18 18:46:52 2014, in response to Re: District court declares Obama immigration action unconstitutional, posted by AlM on Thu Dec 18 18:11:06 2014. Here's one:http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/21/us/politics/obamas-immigration-decision-has-precedents-but-may-set-a-new-one.html Mr. Bush moved in 1990 to allow 1.5 million undocumented spouses and children of immigrants who were in the process of becoming legal permanent residents to stay in the country and obtain work permits. At the time, that amounted to about 40 percent of the immigrants living without documentation in the United States. Mr. Obama’s order would affect about 45 percent of the undocumented immigrants. Here's the legal justification for such action: http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/olc/opinions/attachments/2014/11/20/2014-11-19-auth-prioritize-removal.pdf Further, and notably, additional provisions of the INA expressly contem- plate that the Secretary may grant work authorization to aliens lacking lawful immigration status—even those who are in active removal proceedings or, in certain circumstances, those who have already received final orders of removal. See id. § 1226(a)(3) (permitting the Secretary to grant work authorization to an otherwise work-eligible alien who has been arrested and detained pending a decision whether to remove the alien from the United States); id. § 1231(a)(7) (permitting the Secretary under certain narrow circumstances to grant work authorization to aliens who have received final orders of removal). Consistent with these provisions, the Secretary has long permitted certain additional classes of aliens who lack lawful immigration status to apply for work authorization, including deferred action recipients who can demonstrate an economic necessity for employment. See 8 C.F.R. §274a.12(c)(14); see also id. §274a.12(c)(8) (applicants for asylum), (c)(10) (applicants for cancellation of removal); supra note 11 (discussing 1981 regulations). |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Dec 19 00:24:53 2014, in response to Re: District court declares Obama immigration action unconstitutional, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Dec 18 11:06:07 2014. Elaborate. |
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