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Selkirk, I Can't Install BSD *whine* *grouse* |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 17 23:27:07 2014 I tried installing FreeBSD in Virtual Box but it didn't work. :(It was happy to boot from the iso of the install disk and run the installer but when I tried to boot from the virtual hard disk it would hang halfway through. Something about an invalid hostname before I rage quit. |
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Re: Selkirk, I Can't Install BSD *whine* *grouse* |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Oct 17 23:38:59 2014, in response to Selkirk, I Can't Install BSD *whine* *grouse*, posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 17 23:27:07 2014. Where did the "invalid hostname" come up? You might not have allocated enough memory, but /etc/hosts does have its requirements. The configurator should have complained if it was invalid there though. 127.0.0.1 should be the same name as you set for hostname in configuration. And it must be a fully qualified domain name. No worries on a local box though, for example, it should be like this for KNOS:# $FreeBSD: src/etc/hosts,v 1.16.32.1 2009/04/15 03:14:26 kensmith Exp $ # # Host Database # # This file should contain the addresses and aliases for local hosts that # share this file. Replace 'my.domain' below with the domainname of your # machine. # # In the presence of the domain name service or NIS, this file may # not be consulted at all; see /etc/nsswitch.conf for the resolution order. # # 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.KNOS-64 KNOS-64 KNOS-64.local <--- IPV4 hostname here, local rather than .com ::1 localhost localhost.KNOS-64 KNOS-64 KNOS-64.local <--- IPV6 hostname here, local rather than .com # # Imaginary network. #10.0.0.2 myname.my.domain myname #10.0.0.3 myfriend.my.domain myfriend # # According to RFC 1918, you can use the following IP networks for # private nets which will never be connected to the Internet: # # 10.0.0.0 - 10.255.255.255 # 172.16.0.0 - 172.31.255.255 # 192.168.0.0 - 192.168.255.255 # # In case you want to be able to connect to the Internet, you need # real official assigned numbers. Do not try to invent your own network # numbers but instead get one from your network provider (if any) or # from your regional registry (ARIN, APNIC, LACNIC, RIPE NCC, or AfriNIC.) # # lose assholes <--- and from here down is the local bitbucket for sites you never want to see. :) 127.0.0.1 so-2mdn.net 127.0.0.1 so-2mdn.net.google.com 127.0.0.1 adserver.adtechus.net 127.0.0.1 pubads.g.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 partnerad.l.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 redirector.c.googlesyndication.com 127.0.0.1 pagead2.googlesyndication.com 127.0.0.1 adotube.com 127.0.0.1 vox-static.liverail.com 127.0.0.1 cdn.liverail.com 127.0.0.1 ad4.liverail.com 127.0.0.1 ad.doubleclick.net --- many more, but snipped - you get the point ----------- "There's no place like 127.0.0.1!" |
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Re: Selkirk, I Can't Install BSD *whine* *grouse* |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Oct 17 23:48:37 2014, in response to Selkirk, I Can't Install BSD *whine* *grouse*, posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 17 23:27:07 2014. BTW, BSD isn't for the timid, especially for desktops. Took me nearly 6 years to perfect my own skills, but the folks who work for us still know a whole lot more. Once you do get the hang of it, it's saner and easier than Linux. And fairly easy too once you get to know it.Flip that disk one more time, get me some specifics and we'll see what we can do. And what's the native CPU you're running? It does run on Virtual box, but there's a learning curve there too. It really wants to run on a real drive and CPU because it has to probe at startup. If it gets whacky results back (from relocated addresses which VM's often do) then it's going to use whatever it's told and if it's a Bronx handshake, then it dives for the weeds. Be happy to help though. Fruits were built on BSD originally, and then some strange things happened. :) |
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What is BSD? |
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Posted by Express Rider on Fri Oct 17 23:55:49 2014, in response to Re: Selkirk, I Can't Install BSD *whine* *grouse*, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Oct 17 23:48:37 2014. Not a joke question. I'm just a regular unsophisticated user, and I wonder what it is. Some kind of operating system or what?A simple summary for the lay person is fine, if you can include its pros and cons that would be good too. Thanks. |
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Re: What is BSD? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 18 00:03:46 2014, in response to What is BSD?, posted by Express Rider on Fri Oct 17 23:55:49 2014. BSD was the original, first Unix system, dates back to the earliest AT&T work at Basking Ridge. There's numerous BSD's, FreeBSD (the original), OpenBSD, DragonflyBSD and many others. FreeBSD is the mother root. Microsoft used FreeBSD code for their earliest internet stuff in Win 3.1, NeXT Computer (which became OS X) used FreeBSD and still has most of the original code. BSD if you want to go historical was Berkeley Software Distribution, still owned by University of California at Berkeley although it's been largely maintained until lately by SUNY Buffalo.The other BSD's are forks off the original 4.3 version. We used FreeBSD and forked from it at Version 6.0 and are currently still working with them at Version 10.0 now. BSD is a true Unix system, but the foundation wasn't interested in paying extortion to have it "certified" since there's little need for those in the know. Linux on the other hand is not really a Unix system, it's a "clone" developed by Linus Torvalds because he couldn't afford a true Unix license from AT&T when he was in school, so he "emulated" it with his own code. When AT&T came after BSD (who had prior patents) and lost, suddenly there was no more license fees for Unix any longer and AT&T gave up on "SYSTEM V" which was their Unix. To quote Linus himself, "If BSD were available on the '386 architecture, I most likely would not have created Linux." Ref: https://www.google.com/search?q=linus%20torvalds%22if%20bsd%22&gws_rd=ssl |
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Re: What is BSD? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 18 00:07:14 2014, in response to Re: What is BSD?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 18 00:03:46 2014. Not to be mistaken for BSOD. |
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Re: What is BSD? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 18 00:09:27 2014, in response to Re: What is BSD?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 18 00:07:14 2014. You'll never see that in KNOS or any other BSD. Ours just reboots and learns from what happened the last time and routes around the damage. :) |
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Re: What is BSD? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 18 00:35:01 2014, in response to What is BSD?, posted by Express Rider on Fri Oct 17 23:55:49 2014. Just for giggles, here's KNOS 10.0, soon to be released, running in Macintosh OS X mode on a current model Toshiba Satellite laptop:
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Re: Selkirk, I Can't Install BSD *whine* *grouse* |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Oct 18 00:35:19 2014, in response to Selkirk, I Can't Install BSD *whine* *grouse*, posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 17 23:27:07 2014. Install Solaris instead :). |
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Re: Selkirk, I Can't Install BSD *whine* *grouse* |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 18 00:37:36 2014, in response to Re: Selkirk, I Can't Install BSD *whine* *grouse*, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Oct 18 00:35:19 2014. Lulz ... Leisure Suit Larry futtbucked THAT stuff even harder than he did the Suns that used to power it. Only thing slower than that now is SCO Unix. If you can even find a copy anymore. :) |
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Re: Selkirk, I Can't Install BSD *whine* *grouse* |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 18 00:38:17 2014, in response to Re: Selkirk, I Can't Install BSD *whine* *grouse*, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Oct 18 00:35:19 2014. I'll bet you remember when every state agency there was ran that stuff with Oracle. :) |
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Re: Selkirk, I Can Install BSD *unwhine* *ungrouse* |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Oct 18 01:05:58 2014, in response to Re: Selkirk, I Can't Install BSD *whine* *grouse*, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Oct 17 23:38:59 2014. I'm not sure what I did differently this time but now it works. :)Now that the installing is done, I have to start figuring out how to use it. :O |
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Re: Selkirk, I Can Install BSD *unwhine* *ungrouse* |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 18 01:12:40 2014, in response to Re: Selkirk, I Can Install BSD *unwhine* *ungrouse*, posted by Nilet on Sat Oct 18 01:05:58 2014. Told you about BSD ... instead of boo screen for Halloween, it figures out what's broke and if it has what it needs to route around it, it does. Well ... except for Broadcom crap. :)Next stop for you is here: http://forums.freebsd.org/ They JUST replaced some really crappy forum software, so it's up, but not quite complete yet. Have at it. Oh ... and RTFM before going stupid, and Dutch Daemon, one of the moderators is absolutely crazy about proper grammar and spelling and whatnot. So my advice is lurk and learn. :) Those of us closest to the nest do the mailing lists because the forum is largely for noobs. Too much noise there. But should definitely help you get started and up and running. Also, learn to use "pkg install (whatiwant)". You'll be amazed at how sane it gets when you want something. Long way from YUM and all those other penguin droppings. (grin) |
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Re: What is BSD? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 18 02:07:52 2014, in response to Re: What is BSD?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 18 00:35:01 2014. And here's KNOS 10 running on the latest Macs with Yo-semite installed on the hard drive (which we do not touch) for further giggles. If it's Intel-based, AMD or whatever, it runs. :)
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Re: What is BSD? |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Oct 18 02:15:14 2014, in response to Re: What is BSD?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 18 02:07:52 2014. Wait what? |
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Re: What is BSD? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 18 02:42:46 2014, in response to Re: What is BSD?, posted by Nilet on Sat Oct 18 02:15:14 2014. Yeha, KNOS hablemos fruit aqui. That was a black little ashtray that scren was grabbed from. Examine "cairo dock" and you'll see that even you can do fruit once you get a desktop going with DRM, 3D and some working Gnome. Pure KNOS, just did a custom. We do that for the right amount of money. Pure retro any way you'd like. Did you notice the AQUA styling? :) |
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Re: What is BSD? |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sat Oct 18 08:58:38 2014, in response to Re: What is BSD?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 18 00:03:46 2014. Are you sure about that? The wiki entry on Unix is quite a bit different with the history, and correlates with my (limited) experience with Unix. |
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Re: What is BSD? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 18 12:16:17 2014, in response to Re: What is BSD?, posted by 3-9 on Sat Oct 18 08:58:38 2014. Seems to be missing quite a bit of the story and centered around AT&T and the commercial side of it. Looks like it could use more citation and a little less cowbell. :) |
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Re: What is BSD? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 18 12:22:21 2014, in response to Re: What is BSD?, posted by 3-9 on Sat Oct 18 08:58:38 2014. This isn't much better of a writeup, but maybe this will help:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_Software_Distribution |
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Re: What is BSD? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 19 13:25:19 2014, in response to Re: What is BSD?, posted by 3-9 on Sat Oct 18 08:58:38 2014. LOL!!!! SelkirkTMO is probably wrong. |
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Re: Selkirk, I Can't Install BSD *whine* *grouse* |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 19 13:27:05 2014, in response to Selkirk, I Can't Install BSD *whine* *grouse*, posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 17 23:27:07 2014. wah wah wahyou cry to SelkirkTMO whenever you can't get something to work and he never even ends up helping you. You deserve what you get. |
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Re: What is BSD? |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Oct 19 20:30:40 2014, in response to Re: What is BSD?, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 19 13:25:19 2014. OK, Mr. Know-It-All, how do I get X running? |
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Re: Terrapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't). |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Oct 19 20:30:43 2014, in response to Re: Selkirk, I Can't Install BSD *whine* *grouse*, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 19 13:27:05 2014. WTF?So are you claiming you are an expert in BSD? Or is this just a Dunning-Kruger thing, where you're so incompetent you don't understand that skill is required, so you assume it's easy and mock me for having trouble? |
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Re: What is BSD? |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Oct 19 20:38:28 2014, in response to Re: What is BSD?, posted by Nilet on Sun Oct 19 20:30:40 2014. He's not Mr. Know-It-All, he's Mister Stupid! |
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Re: Terrapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't). |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Oct 19 20:41:48 2014, in response to Re: Terrapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't)., posted by Nilet on Sun Oct 19 20:30:43 2014. He thinks he's smart, my grandson is 10,000% smarter than he will ever be!!!! |
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Re: What is BSD? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 19 21:46:36 2014, in response to Re: What is BSD?, posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Oct 19 20:38:28 2014. Wrong again, Dan Lawrence!!!!! |
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Re: What is BSD? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 19 21:46:51 2014, in response to Re: What is BSD?, posted by Nilet on Sun Oct 19 20:30:40 2014. Huh? |
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Re: Terrapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't). |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 19 21:47:34 2014, in response to Re: Terrapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't)., posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Oct 19 20:41:48 2014. G-d help your grandson, if he's anything like you.And you're wrong, BTW. |
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Re: Terrapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't). |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 19 21:47:56 2014, in response to Re: Terrapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't)., posted by Nilet on Sun Oct 19 20:30:43 2014. Diane Kruger!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG!!!!!!!! |
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Re: What is BSD? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Oct 19 23:20:49 2014, in response to Re: What is BSD?, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 19 21:46:51 2014. Lulz |
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Re: What is BSD? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 19 23:25:27 2014, in response to Re: What is BSD?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Oct 19 23:20:49 2014. SKULZ |
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Re: Terrapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't). |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 20 04:50:44 2014, in response to Re: Terrapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't)., posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 19 21:47:34 2014. G-d help your grandson...Hold up, you claimed earlier that you didn't do the "g-d" thing, but you just did it right now! Why did you do that? And why did you lie earlier? |
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Re: Terrapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't). |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 20 04:50:48 2014, in response to Re: Terrapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't)., posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 19 21:47:56 2014. Wow. You're so incompetent that you're not only subject to the Dunning-Kruger effect, you're actually too dumb to understand the Dunning-Kruger effect when it's explained to you. Congratulations. Now I know why your mother started drinking. |
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Re: What is BSD? |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 20 04:52:26 2014, in response to Re: What is BSD?, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 19 21:46:51 2014. FAIL. |
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Re: Terrapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't). |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Oct 20 07:34:39 2014, in response to Re: Terrapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't)., posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 20 04:50:44 2014. I didn't do it. And I didn't lie. |
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Re: Terrapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't). |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Oct 20 07:36:19 2014, in response to Re: Terrapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't)., posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 20 04:50:48 2014. Where is Diane Kruger? You promised me! |
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Re: What is BSD? |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Mon Oct 20 08:20:21 2014, in response to Re: What is BSD?, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 19 21:46:36 2014. You are always stupid every day of the year!!!!! |
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Re: What is BSD? |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Oct 20 08:34:24 2014, in response to Re: What is BSD?, posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 20 04:52:26 2014. Nope. I never made any claims. You fail. |
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Re: Terrapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't). |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 20 08:55:16 2014, in response to Re: Terrapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't)., posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Oct 20 07:36:19 2014. I'm not sure if this is a third level of meta-stupidity or a pathetic attempt to save face with what you probably think is a joke. |
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Re: Terrapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't). |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 20 08:55:22 2014, in response to Re: Terrapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't)., posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Oct 20 07:34:39 2014. You did it RIGHT HERE. I can link to it and everything.Why are you lying? |
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Re: What is BSD? |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 20 09:04:25 2014, in response to Re: What is BSD?, posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Oct 20 08:34:24 2014. So how do I get X running? You claimed you know better than Selkirk, so answer away. |
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Re: What is BSD? |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Oct 20 12:02:38 2014, in response to Re: What is BSD?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 18 00:07:14 2014. Not to be mistaken for BSOD.Or BDS. |
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Re: Terrapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't). |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Mon Oct 20 12:28:29 2014, in response to Re: Terrapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't)., posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 20 08:55:22 2014. That's what Terrapin Station always does. He refuses to show what's wrong. |
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Re: Terrapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't). |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Oct 20 20:01:47 2014, in response to Re: Terrapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't)., posted by Dan Lawrence on Mon Oct 20 12:28:29 2014. Wrong again, Dan Lawrence. |
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Re: Terrapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't). |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Oct 21 08:56:12 2014, in response to Re: Terrapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't)., posted by Dan Lawrence on Mon Oct 20 12:28:29 2014. I've noticed. |
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Re: Terrapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't). |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Oct 21 08:56:13 2014, in response to Re: Terrapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't)., posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Oct 20 20:01:47 2014. Sorry, he was right with that one. |
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Re: Terrapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't). |
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Posted by GAMera on Tue Oct 21 10:45:00 2014, in response to Re: Terrapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't)., posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 20 08:55:22 2014. He is not lying. You used a lower case g he used upper case. |
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Re: Selkirk, I Can't Install BSD *whine* *grouse* |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Oct 21 11:16:33 2014, in response to Re: Selkirk, I Can't Install BSD *whine* *grouse*, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Oct 17 23:48:37 2014. Once you do get the hang of it, it's saner and easier than Linux.Even easier than Mint and Ubuntu? I used Mint, and it wasn't bad, though the software could use polish. Then again, it was an earlier version of Debian-based Mint. And I have a soft spot still for Ubuntu since it worked so well with my netbook (though that was many versions ago and before Gnome 3). |
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Re: Terrapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't). |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Oct 21 13:03:14 2014, in response to Re: Terrapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't)., posted by GAMera on Tue Oct 21 10:45:00 2014. Thank you. It's amazing that he couldn't figure that out. Even if he was refusing to write the word with an upper case G because he doesn't believe in such a concept, he still should have been able to figure out why I was saying that I didn't do what he claims I did. |
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Re: Selkirk, I Can't Install BSD *whine* *grouse* |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Oct 21 16:47:58 2014, in response to Re: Selkirk, I Can't Install BSD *whine* *grouse*, posted by 3-9 on Tue Oct 21 11:16:33 2014. Yeah, Ubuntu has changed, and not for the better. One of the biggest problems in the Linux world is total fragmentation of Torvalds' work among all the distros. What's happened now is that code from one no longer works in the others and systemd's horrid implementation is only going to make things a whole lot worse. Too many chefs syndrome with absolutely nobody coordinating.The sanity of BSD is that there ARE traffic cops and nothing moves without being thoroughly checked out before it goes into the code base. Downside of that of course is that things don't happen anywhere near as quickly, and requires that machines be at least 2 years old to be assured of having working hardware. In the real world though, stability and reliability is everything, that's why I walked away from Linux 12 years ago. |
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